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Criminal
11-11-2001, 01:36 AM
Movies such as Gladeator have raised a recent awareness in the old Roman Empire and I think that such an awareness is in fact necessary if we are to understand many of the problems affecting modern society.

The Romans were the most highly developed of ancient civilizations. They built an enormous empire which encompassed half of Europe and the entire Mediterranian region.

After many years of prosparity, the Roman Empire declined and eventually fell all together. After the last Roman Emporer, the boy emperor, Romulus Agustus was disposed, the empire was ruled by the Visagoths and eventually the last of Roman Culture was destroyed, with great cruelty, by the Lombards. Attempts were made by the Byzantine Emporer, Justinian, among others, to revive the empire but it was lost forever.

Many historians have tried to explain how the Roman Empire fell. The great 17th century historian, Gibbons, had suggested that it was Christianity which destroyed the empire. Modern researchers have discounted such ideas, however.

Perhaps one contributing factor, if not a major reason for Rome's decline was the increacing reliance in foreign mercenaries. In the western empire, Germanic tribesmen enlisted in the legions as less romans chose to do so. In time, the legions became increacingly German in character.

The city of Rome itself became more hostile. The economy of the city fell into ruin. The Centurions who guarded the public order were outnumbered by roving gangs of outlaws. There was a gradual exodus of the leading members of society to Constantinople or Egypt.

The Emporers themselves, spent more time fighting eachother than actually ruling. Corruption and immorality became more and more common. It should also be noted that the conversion of the Empire to Christianity did little to reverse the corruption. The christian Emporer Valarian III, for example was a shameless womanizer who enjoyed a life of pleasure, while his empire was rotting from within and without.

I think if we can learn a few things from the romans it is that wealth and prosparity are fleeting. It takes all citizens of a nation to maintain its greatness.

Shadowhawk
11-11-2001, 07:28 AM
In my opinion, it was the greed, corruption and laziness you mentioned that were responsible for Rome's downfall, same thing with the Athenian Democracy earlier... That's another debate entirely though:)

All those three factors led to a government made up of people that only cared about maintaining personal power, citizens too apothetic to care about anything other than personal amusement, like the games at the collesium. Etc, etc... As was also mentioned, why bother risking personal safety when you can hire someone else (Germanic mercenaries) to fight your battles for you; the height of apathy. Zeus forbid they should have taken the lesser step of keeping their Senate honest.

As for what lessons can be learned from Rome... Take a look around. We do have a government made up of people (on BOTH sides of the aisle) that only care about maintaining personal power. Most of our citizens are too worried about rather The Rock will get the WWF title back or who's getting the boot on Survivor next to tell you who their elected officials are too. If things don't change, we could very well end up like ancient Rome at some point in the future.

End of tirade... LOL :p

Criminal
11-11-2001, 11:13 PM
Originally posted by Shadowhawk
In my opinion, it was the greed, corruption and laziness you mentioned that were responsible for Rome's downfall, same thing with the Athenian Democracy earlier... That's another debate entirely though:)

All those three factors led to a government made up of people that only cared about maintaining personal power, citizens too apothetic to care about anything other than personal amusement, like the games at the collesium. Etc, etc... As was also mentioned, why bother risking personal safety when you can hire someone else (Germanic mercenaries) to fight your battles for you; the height of apathy. Zeus forbid they should have taken the lesser step of keeping their Senate honest.

As for what lessons can be learned from Rome... Take a look around. We do have a government made up of people (on BOTH sides of the aisle) that only care about maintaining personal power. Most of our citizens are too worried about rather The Rock will get the WWF title back or who's getting the boot on Survivor next to tell you who their elected officials are too. If things don't change, we could very well end up like ancient Rome at some point in the future.

End of tirade... LOL :p

Excellent points. I think that the US of A has a long way to go before it becomes as decadent as Rome (we do not have public specticals where we watch men kill eachother in a ring, at least not yet), all the same I see us heading that way.

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