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For many years some citizens of Texas have concidered their State to be seperate from the remainder of the United States. While this may sound commical remember that until recently independence for such places as Ukraine, Croatia or Eretria was not thinkable.

I myself am neutral on this but I would like to know what those of you from Texas feel about this. Is the Texas independence movement a group of nut cases or do they really have a point?

Well I can say they are a bunch of nuts man. I have spent a very large portion of my life here in TX. There are maybe a few looneys who support this but the majority of Texans enjoy bein a part of the US of A. It is just some people who cant grasp that the civil war is over the south lost and we are stuck here. The only people I have ever met here who want to be independent are racists who fly confederate flags from their pickup trucks with 3 inch lifts and large tires..

Originally posted by Shelter
Well I can say they are a bunch of nuts man. I have spent a very large portion of my life here in TX. There are maybe a few looneys who support this but the majority of Texans enjoy bein a part of the US of A. It is just some people who cant grasp that the civil war is over the south lost and we are stuck here. The only people I have ever met here who want to be independent are racists who fly confederate flags from their pickup trucks with 3 inch lifts and large tires..

I doubt that they're all racist. I think that that is a unfair and biased statement. Some of them I'm sure (from conversation with a guy who knew some of them) are commited constitutionalists who see the way that the US gov. is slowly eroding the Constitution and would like a fresh start. Besides, there is a certain (justified?) feeling that Texas was and still is special... We did used to be a country althought there are those (like me) who think that the means of our becoming a republic were somewhat questionable.
I believe that Racism is wrong and an unbiblical concept (Acts 17). That said, the south did have some merit in the area of state's rights and other issues. Read Dabney's
A Defense of Virginia and the South for an interesting treatment of the whole issue. The North weren't exactly saints.

All this to say that I'd personally rather see Texas stay a state of the US (unless they tell us we can't fly our flag at the same level anymore).

Ryan

Originally posted by platypus


I doubt that they're all racist. I think that that is a unfair and biased statement. Some of them I'm sure (from conversation with a guy who knew some of them) are commited constitutionalists who see the way that the US gov. is slowly eroding the Constitution and would like a fresh start. Besides, there is a certain (justified?) feeling that Texas was and still is special... We did used to be a country althought there are those (like me) who think that the means of our becoming a republic were somewhat questionable.
I believe that Racism is wrong and an unbiblical concept (Acts 17). That said, the south did have some merit in the area of state's rights and other issues. Read Dabney's
A Defense of Virginia and the South for an interesting treatment of the whole issue. The North weren't exactly saints.

All this to say that I'd personally rather see Texas stay a state of the US (unless they tell us we can't fly our flag at the same level anymore).

Ryan
Would you say that the Texas Independence movement is right wing, left wing or libertarian or othewise politically neutral?

Hi you!

I didn't see this one before...

I think there used to be a stronger movement to secede here before, and I don't know that it was anything more than state pride that our state has so many resources available.

I haven't heard anything recently about it at all, which gives me the idea that the desire to secede has lessened since then, but who knows.

I've lived here all my life and I've never heard of a "regular" person espousing such a view.

I remember wondering about it briefly in school because my understanding was that part of our annexation deal was that we as a state retained the right to secede if we desired, in the future... which I think is why it even crosses anyone's mind at all.

Now I'm intrigued though and will have to watch your thread and see if anyone really has some info on this.

:)

Good evening to you Criminal...

spabb

Originally posted by SpabSFW

Good evening to you Criminal...

spabb :)
And a good evening to you too Ms Spab!
<tipping my 10 gallon hat>

Ha, found this for you. It was the 5 state thing.

Excerpt:

Since the admittance of Texas into the United States there have been those who wanted Texas to remain an independent republic. This movement has grown stronger in the last 25 years. Many hold that the admittance of Texas was not done legally, and thus Texas has always technically been a republic. Some simply want Texas to secede from the U.S.

It is the opinion of this author that those who advocate either the overthrow of the Texas government or the secession from the United States represent the "lunatic fringe." They should not be considered as the majority opinion of the citizens of Texas any more than the "Branch Davidians" should have been considered the majority opinion of any religious organization.

...

There is, however, one scenario of which liberals should be aware. Under the agreement of annexation, the State of Texas maintains the right to divide into five states. This would give each of the states representation in the House of Representatives and two Senators each!

Under this scenario the number of House seats would not change, but would simply be re-apportioned. The number of Senate seats would, however grow from two to ten.

As unlikely as this scenario is.. it is still within the realm of possibility. Should the federal government continue to disregard the will of the people and continue the punitive taxation, it is this authors opinion that the likelihood of this scenario becoming reality will grow.

link: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1378/disclaim.htm


Also this:

Excerpt:

So says a federal judge in Washington, who rejected the contention of Republic of Texas ''chief ambassador'' Richard McLaren that Texas is a captive nation illegally annexed by the United States in 1845.

McLaren drew national attention to himself and his separatist cause last year when he engaged in a weeklong standoff with police after his ragtag band launched a raid on some Davis Mountains Resort neighbors, taking two of them hostage.

He is serving a 99-year prison sentence as a result of the siege and faces up to 755 years more in sentencing next month on federal fraud charges related to his group's issuance of $3.4 million in bogus checks.

link: http://www.hannibal.net/stories/050298/Texas.html

and lastly

Texas v. White

(1869), U.S. Supreme Court case in which it was held that the United States is "an indestructible union" from which no state can secede. In 1850 the state of Texas received $10,000,000 in federal government bonds in settlement of boundary claims. In 1861 the state seceded from the Union and joined the Confederacy. In 1862 the confederationist government ...

http://www.britannica.com/seo/t/texas-v-white/

spabber

Originally posted by Criminal
:)
And a good evening to you too Ms Spab!
<tipping my 10 gallon hat>

Always my gentleman! Now I'm super glad I found some good links for you~

:)

j.r.

i would`nt mine leaving.
But its not going to happen.

Originally posted by Criminal


For many years some citizens of Texas have concidered their State to be seperate from the remainder of the United States.


There are lunatics everywhere. There's a small Monarchist movement in a county here in Nevada.

Having lived in Texas for several years, there was no mainstream mention, much less argument for state independence. Those who live there are fiercely proud to be Texan and it's institutional for reminders of what state you're in to be everywhere.

But this "Republic of Texas" secessionist group is as mainstream as the Branch Davidians (and not much different, in real terms). Just a bunch of tax evaders and libertarian bull****.

Having lived in Texas for several years, there was no mainstream mention, much less argument for state independence. Those who live there are fiercely proud to be Texan and it's institutional for reminders of what state you're in to be everywhere.

Sure there is. Texas is a de facto colony of Mexico and the Bush Administration which is full of cowards and panderers refuses to enforce the border. This costs towns in Texas like Brownsville god only knows how many damn millions of dollars every year. The massive invasion of Texas and California by illegal aliens has but an enormous strain on the fiscal solvency of those states there as well, exacerbating a much worse fiscal situation throughout the country.

There are lunatics everywhere. There's a small Monarchist movement in a county here in Nevada.

Lunatics are those who will spend tens of billions of dollars protecting the borders of nations on the otherside of the world but do not have the political courage, principle, or capital to defend the borders of their own society. That is insanity.

I myself am thinking about starting an independence movement for the people of Illinois. Maybe we can get rid of all these immigrants from Wisconsin. My boss is from Wisconsin and hes a jerk. If we got rid of all the Wisconsinites our state would be much better.

Originally posted by FaDeThEBuTcHeR


Lunatics are those who will spend tens of billions of dollars protecting the borders of nations on the otherside of the world but do not have the political courage, principle, or capital to defend the borders of their own society. That is insanity.


LOL This would be more credible if it didn't seem to me to be just an excuse to smash the skulls of people who are more tan than you.

Originally posted by Criminal
I myself am thinking about starting an independence movement for the people of Illinois. Maybe we can get rid of all these immigrants from Wisconsin. My boss is from Wisconsin and hes a jerk. If we got rid of all the Wisconsinites our state would be much better.

Ha, Criminal, don't go elitist on me :)

hehehe

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LOL This would be more credible if it didn't seem to me to be just an excuse to smash the skulls of people who are more tan than you.

LOL your argument would have more relevence if the piece of paper that says U.S. citizen is in anyway whatsoever a distinction between an American and an absolute foreigner. Look! Saddam Hussein has a pack of firecrackers! Weapons of Mass Destruction!

Originally posted by FaDeThEBuTcHeR


LOL your argument would have more relevence if the piece of paper that says U.S. citizen is in anyway whatsoever a distinction between an American and an absolute foreigner.


LOL Is an Englishman a foreigner Fade?

LOL Is an Englishman a foreigner Fade?

Nope.

Originally posted by FaDeThEBuTcHeR


Nope.


Then you're crazy.

Then you're crazy.

I disagree. It is not me, but YOU who have lost your mind. The United States was borne out of the British Empire. The notion that a Somalian and a Brit are somehow interchangable units in this category called "immigrants" is absolutely ridiculous. Pure Materialism. Anyway, we can pretty much already see where your absurd and bankrupt philosophy is taking the United States - right down the path to its destruction. One good look at the ruins of the World Trade Center or the fiscal blackhole in California answer that one real quick. Sorry I do not consider Guatemalans or Somalians to be Southerners nor do I have any admiration whatsoever for your worthless piece of paper you call citizenship that is utterly meaningless. I do not see why anyone would waste their time to go fight Saddam Hussein on the otherside of the world, when they are being demographically and culturally replaced in their own country by absolute total aliens. The United States is a cultural wasteland, a legal state composed of millions of people with relatively nothing whatsoever in common other than a piece of paper that says citizen. No wonder civic participation is hitting all time lows. Ultimately Americans will come to learn that a "Legal State" and a "Nation" are two absolutely different things. The Romans learned that lesson. So will Americans.

Texas will soon be a part of the new ATZLAN. Texas used to be something. Now it is just a joke.

I love the way this thread has gone.

Ok..as a native born Texan (and NOT one of the rabid proud to be Texan folks)..I'll give my perspective.

Secession is not big here. It's big in pockets, like the Replublic of Texas folks who really, really screw around with you if you bother to go against them on anything. And the secession idea has absolutely nothing to do with the War Between the States..at all. It's about Texas being a republic in and of itself. Sure, there are confederates who live here, still waving the stupid flag in everyone's face, but they don't have anything to do with the Sessession movement at all...or jump on the bandwagon in hopes that the entire south will succeed.

And Criminal..I would put the them in the rabid libertarian camp..with strong leanings towards the right in many things. And I mean rabid.

Originally posted by FaDeThEBuTcHeR


I disagree. It is not me, but YOU who have lost your mind. The United States was borne out of the British Empire.


And thus a Frenchman is a Roman? Ridiculous. YOU have no notion of Nation, State, or People.


The notion that a Somalian and a Brit are somehow interchangable units in this category called "immigrants" is absolutely ridiculous.


You don't even consider a Brit an immigrant, since your "Race is yoru Nation". I'll take Thomas Sowell over your Irish pal Bono any day of the week.

Its amusing to me that you despise the nation where your beliefs are tolerated, yet yearn for the ethnic homogeny of the continent where you would be IMPRISONED for them. :rolleyes: