Has anyone here done E? How badly can that stuff mess you up?

I haven't done it...but have many friends that have, and as such have read a fair amount on it..

Basically, if the medical profession is to be listened to, this is the REAL bad stuff. It can permanently affect dopamine levels. That basically means depression for life.

I have seen and talked with friends that has said they started feeling it...so they stopped...

Who knows in actuality...

I know there's too much bad X out there right now. I've seen too many people seriously messed up over that stuff. Several people have died recently from bad X.

Actually...it was a chemical used in cough syrup that closely resembles ecstasy (MDMA is the name of the chemical in real E, I believe) that is actually deadly in some doses. E is fairly safe, if done properly. If you take some dietary suppliment (L6, I believe) immediately before and after taking ecstasy, it restores your seratonin levels, which is what can potentially be dangerous (if your seratonin distributor cells run out and empty all the seratonin into your body - which E makes them do, hence the being happy thing - they can try to fire while empty, which has the potential to damage them).
I've done it twice, and the only negative effect I noticed was that, the first time, I was a bit jittery the next day...which may've had something to do with being slightly hung over and spending 6 1/2 hours in an airplane. I was in a great mood for a few days. (Residual seratonin? I don't know.)
I made sure I did a ton of research on the subject before I tried it, and what I found, for the most part, was that the anti-drug doctors put out reports saying 'it might be bad, if you do too much, or if something goes wrong', and the more open-minded doctors said 'there are no studies to prove that it's bad, and actually there are several that point out its good aspects, so, while we won't encourage you to do illegal drugs, it most likely won't kill you, if it really is ecstasy and not some cheap and deadly knockoff.'

If you get a bad trip anything can happen - dont ever do it...recreational fun should never end in death. Should you chose to do it (and I in no means advocate it...) find someone who knows their stuff and has a good reputation....


Rayne

What Aphasia's talking about is DXM, which is a disassociative psychadelic whose only real dangers are the unproven chance of Olney's Lesions (http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=512872&lastnode_id=0). Of course, proven or no, it's not nice to **** with anything that can be associated with the word 'lesion'. *shudder* DXM becomes a problem in club or rave situations, when a person already rolling on E takes DXM in addition(often sold as Ecstasy). An exerpt from an article from DanceSafe (http://www.dancesafe.org) follows:

It is even more dangerous to combined(sic) DXM with real Ecstasy. Both drugs are metabolized through the same liver enzyme, CYP-2D6 (pronounced "sip-two-dee-six), which means that if you combine them together your liver will not be able to break them down as efficiently as it should. This can lead to significantly heightened effects from the DXM, and a much greater chance of suffering a heatstroke reaction.

High dosages of DXM alone have been known to cause heatstroke, so remember, kiddies, know what you're buying! Look for the DanceSafe table at your next rave, and get your shit tested!

I am certainly NOT an expert on the subject. However, didn't any of you see the hour-long 20/20 special on Ecstasy?

They had some kind of brain scans done (MRI?) on people who have been using Ecstasy for at least a year.

The one girl lost 30% of her brain!! It was sad! ARG! She was like 16 or so.. and the tests showed her IQ went from 120ish to low 90s.

I know I sure as hell aint gonna be doing a drug that can cause that much damage in such short time!

Well, if you smoke two packs a day for a year, you're gonna have gross lungs. If you eat the wrong foods for a year, you're gonna screw up your digestive system. If you drink a bottle of whiskey every night, your liver's going to look like swiss cheese. But if you have a cigarette and a beer at a party or a cheesburger from your local grease pit every once in a while, it's probably not gonna do anything. Same goes with E - if it actually is ecstasy, if you take it once, you're not going to turn into a vegetable.

And something about people losing part of their brain just seems odd to me...like, did it fall out her ear one night after too much dancing? To be honest, I'm a bit skeptical about that - I've read one too many studies that couldn't find a link between E and brain problems to just take one that did find a link at face value. And how often did she do it? I've heard of people taking it 3 times a day for 10+ years....now, if that didn't cause some sort of brain damage, I'd be pretty amazed (imagine 3 packs of cigarettes a day for 10 years....think they wouldn't get lung cancer?)
I guess my point is - if you're gonna try it, be safe about it and make sure it's really what you think it is. Don't start doing it 5 times a day, because it is still a drug, and doing any drug that often is going to cause you problems.

One thing adam is do you really think 20/20 is going to give an honest evaluation on an illegal drug? My point was not so much that X can kill you as that alot of stuff out there is being passed as X, but its not X and its deadly.

What ever happened to just smoking pot .... Why all this new shit?

Ecstasy's as old as pot, for purposes of popularity. They started testing it in the 60's on couples in relationship counseling. Budda-bang, that shit was effective. It's what they call an 'empathogen'. It makes a person more receptive to another's emotions, and that's generally a good thing. Do E with your lover, and it's like 10 weeks of relationship counseling in a matter of hours. You make an effort to understand what troubles them, because you feel the results of it yourself. There are people who don't need drugs to experience the emotions of others. Empaths. Good people. Like hugs.

Ecstacy is bad shit. I only did it once, and even though it felt good, I would never do it again.

As for facts on what the drug can do, the internet is full of crap, and fake facts. One rumor was that it drained spinal fluid(thanx eminem) which is false. However, even a few uses can damage the brain. There are very few drugs that can cause that level of brain damage. The brain does not disappear, it just causes small sections of the brain to not work correctly, fluid does not travel to those parts anymore. I have seen brain scans, some people end up with a brain like swiss cheese.

I would much rather smoke pot, even though you get lazy instead of cranked up on energy.

I have done X and I think it is soemthing everyone should try but only with people you trust. I do not recommend doing it every weekend. It is fun but you can get burnt out and the motivation loss to do anything the next day may hender you getting to some of your responsibilites! If you go to a "party", go with people who have maybe done it already and stay with you friends cause you may do some crazy shit when you are rolling. If you are a first timer, I wouldn't suggest more than 2 pills cause depending on your body size, one is probably enough!

I also suggest lots of research...Dancesafe.com has facts or you can just do a general search on the web and find alot of info.

I have talked to a pscycologist who said that like anything else, it is not very harmful in moderation. More than anything else, the biggest risk with it is dehydration!

As I said...speaking form, experience with peolpe I know...it is a no good scene.

You're right Katie, once, prolly won't hurt you. Twice prolly not.

But the research I have seen shows that it does affect levels of various chemicals in the body for the long term. It does damange dopamine receptors. There are many case studies from people suffering form uncontrollable depression.

People say pot isn't so bad...because there is no 'research' showing its effects. I can buy that. But there is tons of research showing the effects of X. Tons of first hand experience.

And Katie, she didn't 'lose' part of her brain, but the brian mass went down. Your brain, like any organ, can grow (usually when it is healthy) or shrink when it loses mass/water.

Originally posted by Manu
And Katie, she didn't 'lose' part of her brain, but the brian mass went down. Your brain, like any organ, can grow (usually when it is healthy) or shrink when it loses mass/water.

I know...I was kidding...

LOL!

I know 20/20 isnt the Encyclopedia, I guess I just ment that if you see 50 Clinical studies that show people with major brain damage from Ecstasy use, and 10,000 studies of people with no side effects (or minimal) I would most definately rather side on with not using any.

I've done it many times and still continue to do it

I'd cast my vote for giving it a miss.
I've tried it, and enjoyed it but like Manu's friends, I stopped because I started to sense the effect was not good in the long run.

All things considered, the enjoyment was not worth the risk, and there are very real risks associated with the drug.

I value the experience of transposed states of mind that psychoactive substances confer: but there are substances that carry no risk and provide this view of other realities.

I also do not like the idea of taking pills just to experience chemically induced 'happiness'. Taking a drug to learn something about one's mind is one thing, and can hold value, but ecstasy is a purely hedonistic pursuit.

M.

Personally never felt the need to do it. I have a slim enough grip on reality as it is, without making it any worse ;) Then only drugs I have ever taken where Caps, which are herbal stimulants. Unfortuantly the government has decided to ban them now, so I can't get any more. Have to go back to relying on coffee and redbull :D

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lilnymph

Taking a drug to learn something about one's mind is one thing, and can hold value, but ecstasy is a purely hedonistic pursuit.

Interesting point.


I have a slim enough grip on reality as it is, without making it any worse.


In your case, I think you need an eye opening experience, as long as there is a reliable guide with you at the time. ;)

I did it a few times in college, and it was always mellow and ultrasensual, making it a fantastic sex drug, as it turned your whole body into an erogenous zone. Once four of us stood in a line, each running their hands a few inches above the spine of the person in front, and all of us felt this non-touching "touch" as an extemely sensitive and pleasurable electric stroke.
But I suppose too much of it could cause unpleasant and perhaps permanent effects. And it's not too wise to drink alcohol with it.

In your case, I think you need an eye opening experience, as long as there is a reliable guide with you at the time. ;)

My dear snouter, its you, not me, who needs to open your eyes ;)

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lilnymph

I honestly couldn't give a rat's ass what studies show that the chemical is safe. Someone I went to high school with O.D.'d on X, and I'm never letting it--or any chemical like it--into my life.

Besides, I'm ****ed in the head as it is. I don't need hallucinogenics or psychodelic experiences to make me see things funny.

Besides, I'm ****ed in the head as it is. I don't need hallucinogenics or psychodelic experiences to make me see things funny.

Hehe exactly my view on things :)

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lilnymph

It sounds like some people's egos are trying to rationalize their insecurities. ;)

It sounds like some people's egos are trying to rationalize their insecurities. ;)

Finally you have started some self analysis :)

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lilnymph

:rofl:

Finally you have started some self analysis :)


lilnymph

Yes, a good dose of ecstasy would help that out,,,

Yes, a good dose of ecstasy would help that out,,,

:p Or a drop of acid (with an experienced guide). lilnymph would stop projecting in no time flat. Her infantile "I know you are, but what am I" stuff would end once and for all, hopefully. ;)

Zach-

I don't think you can OD on X. It was either cut with something (Chlorine often) or they dehydrated.

Harm Minimisation and Education (http://www.bluelight.nu/vb/showthread.php?postid=912502#post912502)

This site is a leading light in education and harm minimization when it comes to most drugs like Ecstacy. Almost any question you have can be answered here. Please approach here with an open mind however, just because you don't want to take drugs does not give you the right to preach a drug free lifestyle on others.

I have been involved with various drugs over the last 12 years and guess what, currently i have a well paying job, my own car and house, a great fiance who is in the scene aswell and neither of us suffer from any ill effects because we are responsible about our drug use.

Knowledge is the key when it comes to whether or not you want to experiment with illicit substances.

:nice: I did some dank **** last nite...
yes your right..I agree with you.. Scott :)

I know little about it but its a relatively new drug, popular among the techno-dance-club scene. I heard its pretty bad but probibly no worse that LSD which is what kids did in my day (I was a "square" and never messed with that crap ether).

My advice to anyone is don't do anything unless you know what it will do to you. Even then you never know where those pills came from.