OK, Tam thinks this is gonna turn into a war zone here, so let's see if I can start a fire:D At least I got the first "on topic" post in this forum:D:D:D

The question here is simple... What do you think happened with Kennedy's death? Did Oswald act alone as per official explainations, or was it a conspiracy? If so, who was behind it in your opinion?

Annoted on some old history/fiction (see also History Forum for a bit of No.1 of the quoted manuscript)

No.20
29. .. Foreign loans are leeches which there is no possibility of removing from the body of the State until they fall off of themselves or the State flings them off. … THEIR States …. go on in persisting in putting more on to themselves so that they must inevitably perish…..

32. So long as loans were internal the OTHERS only shuffled their money from the pockets of the poor to those of the rich, but when we bought up the necessary person in order to transfer loans into the external sphere, all the wealth of States flowed into our cash- boxes and all the OTHERS began to pay us the tribute of subjects.

34. … The right to issue interest-bearing paper will be given exclusively to industrial companies who will find no difficulty in paying interest out of profits, whereas the State does not make interest on borrowed money like these companies, for the State borrows to spend and not to use in operations. (Now we know why President Kennedy was assassinated in 1963 when he refused to borrow any more of the "Bank Notes" from the bankers of the Federal Reserve Bank and began circulating non-interest bearing "Notes" of the "United States of America"!!!).

Who was behind it? The Non-OTHERS whoever they might be. I don't believe Oswald acted alone, BTW.

Yes it was a conspiracy.

Here is a classic book about it by Jim Marrs.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0881846481/qid=1005093132/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_11_2/107-0385442-5992520

Originally posted by Shadowhawk
OK, Tam thinks this is gonna turn into a war zone here, so let's see if I can start a fire:D At least I got the first "on topic" post in this forum:D:D:D

The question here is simple... What do you think happened with Kennedy's death? Did Oswald act alone as per official explainations, or was it a conspiracy? If so, who was behind it in your opinion?
I think that its probibly a mute question since all the players are now dead. I do think that Oswald was a pupet. He was made to pose as a communist agent. I think the movie JFK explained it well.

Quote from Red dwarf:
"Maybe we could travel back in time and yell 'Duck!' at the grassy knoll."

No doubt it was a conspiracy.

Johnson, the mob, a french assassin on the grassy knoll all played a part.

Indeed it was.. I believe Arlen Specter was on the Warren commision and now has a book out supposedly proving Oswald was the lone gunman. Yea, and bullets sing and dance..:rolleyes:


“rather than admit to a conspiracy or investigate further, the Commissioners chose to endorse the theory put forth by an ambitious junior counselor, Arlen Specter. One of the grossest lies ever forced on the American people, we’ve come to know it as the “magic bullet” theory.” Jim Garisson

It's all mental masturbation.

Kennedy had ENOUGH people gunning for him that they probaby had a shootout BEFORE the assasination just to see who got to pull the trigger.

Originally posted by Powerboss
No doubt it was a conspiracy.

Johnson, the mob, a french assassin on the grassy knoll all played a part.

Yea i tend toward that theory myself possibly including certain elements of the CIA as being in on it too since Kennedy was so furious with them after botching the Bay of Pigs.

Do we almost have a consensus on this that the government story is BS? Or is Cosmo preparing a rebuttal? ;)

LOL...:D

Why does this still matter so much to people? I don't get it. He's dead. He's not the first president to be assasinated. What's the big deal?

Well, a lot of people point to those events as the first time the govt ever tried to pull one over, even though it had happened before.
A lot of people lost trust in the govt after the Warran Commision report.
It would be nice to know the details, and to see the evidence still not being released.

Whats the big deal??? How about if they could lie to us about our own president being asassinated they could lie to us about anything? The government still denies anyone but Oswald did the shooting. And if they are still lieing to us about something that happened over 35 years ago, imagine how many lies we are being told today about other things. I think it's a good measure of how corrupt our government is and how little we should trust them about everything they tell us..

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger
Whats the big deal??? How about if they could lie to us about our own president being asassinated they could lie to us about anything? The government still denies anyone but Oswald did the shooting. And if they are still lieing to us about something that happened over 35 years ago, imagine how many lies we are being told today about other things. I think it's a good measure of how corrupt our government is and how little we should trust them about everything they tell us..

The government has been lying to its people and covering its arse ever since 1776. Kennedy is such a big deal because he meant so many things to so many people, and because his death (and most of his presidency) was the first to be covered on live TV.

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger
Whats the big deal??? How about if they could lie to us about our own president being asassinated they could lie to us about anything? The government still denies anyone but Oswald did the shooting. And if they are still lieing to us about something that happened over 35 years ago, imagine how many lies we are being told today about other things. I think it's a good measure of how corrupt our government is and how little we should trust them about everything they tell us..

This is news to you? Have you ever trusted the government? Scariest thing a person can hear "It's OK, I'm with the government and I'm here to help."

I never said it was news to me, and I never have and never will trust government.

What I was trying to say is all the average Joes out there should look at it as an example of their bs. Since the average Joe believes everything said by the government. But then I guess the average Joe is too gullible and too lazy to find the truth on their own..:(

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger
But then I guess the average Joe is too gullible and too lazy to find the truth on their own..:(

Ignorance is bliss, to some. I look at the government as a cross between a business and a mofia. Usually if you pay the tax money and keep quite, they will leave you alone.

CT . . . that's not a bad analogy.

Another part of it is that the government's involvement in everyday life for MANY people is not perceived. I mean, take an average factory worker here. Most of your taxes come out on the front end, your kids go to a local public school, you have insurance when you're sick, and anything else can be explained off as "life is hard". Simply put, most people don't believe they interact with the government THAT much.

It's not a matter of being a sheep. It's a matter of not being concerned.

Originally posted by Shadowhawk
OK, Tam thinks this is gonna turn into a war zone here, so let's see if I can start a fire:D At least I got the first "on topic" post in this forum:D:D:D

The question here is simple... What do you think happened with Kennedy's death? Did Oswald act alone as per official explainations, or was it a conspiracy? If so, who was behind it in your opinion?

Having studied this in depth for a college dissertation, I could find no collborative proof of a conspiracy. Several factors (autopsy findings, ballistic evidence, etc.) don't add up, but the sum of the parts is not equal to a conspiracy whole.

There may well have been a number of parties out to assassinate the President for various reasons, but the only plausable enitity I think capable at the time of pulling it off (if they did) was the Mob. Remember, Joe Kennedy worked the Mob machinery in Chicago to deliver the state of Illinois for his son.

- Andy