OK...here's one for you guys and gals....
Lets say you are interested in a person....after talking and getting to the verge of asking this person out....you find out they are a different "faith".

Now I'm sure most of you know I am a Christian....and while I have many friend who are not Christians...getting into a relationship with a woman who is NOT a Christian, almost sounds like a setup for a fall. While I try not to brow beat anyone with my feelings, I know I can get kind of "spirited" in debates....

I don't know....Just curious as to what y'alls thoughts were about getting involved with someone who does not have the same "faith" as you....

I have always heard the phrase.. don't be unequally yoked.. but then again, I wouldn't totally shun her, which I don't think you were going to do..

As a christian, I have dated non-religious girls, but in the end it bothers me enough to not want to date them.. I would just be careful of your standards and feelings..

Well.. my wife is Catholic and I am Protestant... so we had to have a fairly lengthy discussion about how we wanted to handle things... but we worked it out...

I don't know what to say to you... A couple of things I learned, never assume anything and don't arbitrarily disagree with something just because 'thats the way its supposed to be'...

well, there is this Woman, I was going to ask out...but she started talking about some of her beliefs and I was like "whoa"....

I dunno....I just don't want to go getting involved with someone who is not, like you said "equally yoked".....just think it could get a little bumpy possibly...

my advise.. (like I have room to talk) is to take it slow, see if you really like this girl.. you said the way she talked surprised you, in the getting to know what she beliefs you will either be wanting to still have something, or it will turn you off.. and then desision will be easy.. good luck

just be careful, girls do some mean crap :D

Just remember, by the time you figure out you REALLY like her, it's about too late to pull out.

What are her religious affiliations?

Just remember, by the time you figure out you REALLY like her, it's about too late to pull out.

Yea...I know....ugh

What are her religious affiliations?

If you were talking to me...lol....Southern Baptist....and I would say my Church is a very progressive SB....not your typical SB that I have seen...

What's SHE though, Jez-man?

Haven't gotten that specific yet...

WAIT...this was supposed to be a hypothetical question....
Damnit....cats out of the bag now.....lol :D

I consider myself Christian (though after talking to Rayne in another thread, I'm beginning to wonder about others), my wife is Agnostic. As you might imagine, we have some interesting conversations regarding religion. We let the kids make thier own choices in this department. If asked, we each give an honest answer and let them decide....

What cat? LOL! What's this cat's name?

I'd say it depends on the level of conviction each of you has. Brians situation would never work for a deeply committed Christian. If religion is not really a big deal for either of you, it shouldn't be that big of an issue. The more convicted you are to your religion, the more differences will matter.

This is where being an atheist can pay off. I do not associate myself to any religion, but I *might* date slightly religious girls. Certainly if I can change their mind, and bring them to the dark side. There are a few rebel girls out there.

Here is where the real problem is-
When you want a real long-term relationship, you two will have different goals. Maybe one person believes in waiting for sex until after marriage. LOL And then you two would want to raise the kids different. The parents may not be happy with the choice, and so on.

As for dating, and short term relationships, it can be fine. Just find out if s/he is flexible, and be sure you are too. And as long as you do not totally dissagree on little things, it should not be a problem. Beside, people change their views. It could just be that her parents or older sister/brother is influencing them for now. And later on, they could mellow out. ;)

My partner has no faith...that suits me fine.....he doesnt ask and I dont tell. :D

That said...I couldnt date a hardcore Christian (not that they would date me either....), it would be too freaky. If they were a Christian I would go church with them too....as long as they participated in my Rituals :D

Rayne

If they were a Christian I would go church with them too....as long as they participated in my Rituals

:eek:

Originally posted by Je$ter


:eek:

What?
You find that strange? I think its a fair give and take....

Rayne

No....not a problem with the give and take thing at all....actually I think it is rather big of you that you would make that offer....

I would just be REALLY shocked if you could get a Christian to partake in your "Rituals".... :D

Originally posted by Raynewitch


What?
You find that strange? I think its a fair give and take....

Rayne

I'd have to agree with that... Relationships are supposed to be 50/50 so this is not an unresonable request...

Ummmm . . . religion can't be a 50/50 split. You can't on one day be Hindu and the next be a devout Christian. It kinda' goes against that "you are the only god" principle.

And, heck, if you don't believe it, why go?

Originally posted by D Durden
Ummmm . . . religion can't be a 50/50 split. You can't on one day be Hindu and the next be a devout Christian. It kinda' goes against that "you are the only god" principle.

And, heck, if you don't believe it, why go?

You can't really help who you fall in love with. Just saying that if you want her to go to your 'church' you'd better be willing to go to hers...

If, no, then religion better stay out o fthe relationship altogether...

Brian, rock on man. My Mom is Catholic and my Father is an athiest. They let us go whatever way we felt was right. I'm agnostic and my brother is Catholic.

They've made it work for close to ... 27 years or so.

As for religion being 50/50 - learning about your partner by going to their church and trying to get a feel for what makes them tick isn't going against "your god", it's just learning. Exploring the religions of the world, I believe, is probably wise. I mean, when you get involved with rational people of other religions, you learn about them, not just their god.

We have BINGO!!!!

I have been a christian since 1984 and I have found that people do not understand what it means to be "unequally yoked."

Your question would depend on how seriously you take your relationship with God. Since for a Christian that is your first priority, all else comes second. Sorry about that.

You must also remember that God created marriage for companionship, but also so that the parents would train th children ot love and serve him. Look at Abraham......the Bible says God choose him because he knew Abe would teach his kids. And Malachi says 2:15. "And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed" So see, though it is not the only reason, it is a big one to God. And you were after all talking about relationships in regards to your faith.

The reason He wants us with those of our own faith is because if one falls the other can pick them up. If you are married to an unbeliver that will not happen. Not to mention the wholh "sex" thing. And children are to be trained......we train them all the time in many things. Do you actually believe (speaking as christians here now) that God does not expect you to train children in the way? It is our sacred duty to Him and them and we are held acountable to Him for them.

No one lets kids just do whatever or they would learn to go on the toilet when they tied of pooping on thier les and only brush their teeth if hell freezes over. Trust me on that one. And don't get me started on bathing!! We teach kids all the time and to say we let them decide on amatters of religion is rediculous.....by our very silence we theach them it is unimportant.

I would say one mor thing on this topic though it will get me ridiculed here I'm sure. I am not a Baptist, Protestant, or Catholic. I am what is referred to as Spirit-filled in the Bible. This means I speak in tongues, prophesy, lay hands on the sick (and they do recover) etc. You asked for advice from chrisitans, so here it is: I would pray long and hard about relationships. The Bible referes to the "two becoming one" so it is no small matter. For us it is a lifetime commitment in the Lord. I would search the Bible for wisdom on this topic and consult older people in the Lord who have more insight on the topic.

Remember warm fuzzies and feelings do not indicate love and sexual desire is not much of an indicator either. Love and sex can be mutually exclusive. Most have sex without love and you can have love without sex. Look at someone like Chris Reeves. Love is a choice not a feeling.

I would also recommend Joshua Harris book "I Kissed Dating Goodbye." For a true christian.....one who loves God with all his heart, mind, soul and strength it is a serious choice to make. Relationships in God's kingdom are not just about fun and games (though there are those!) Read Ephesians 5.....that pretty much sums up relationships.

Remember.....yu asked!! ;)

Originally posted by Momof6
I have been a christian since 1984 and I have found that people do not understand what it means to be "unequally yoked."

What were you before??


Originally posted by Momof6
No one lets kids just do whatever or they would learn to go on the toilet when they tied of pooping on thier les and only brush their teeth if hell freezes over. Trust me on that one. And don't get me started on bathing!! We teach kids all the time and to say we let them decide on amatters of religion is rediculous.....by our very silence we theach them it is unimportant.

Then you'll be shocked to find out my kids DO attend various types church functions. BTW, I don't let my kids do ANYTHING they want. Just said we answer questions when asked, but, do not force anything. If that's a sin, guess I guilty. Myself, I don't go. I'll lets them find out why I do not go on there own. But I'll post my reason here:

With the exception of one church I attended as a kid, I have never met a more hypocritical, self serving, holier-than-thou group of people in my life as I see in 90% of the church congregations I've been to. From a preacher commiting the same sins he preaches against on Sunday, to a deacon banging the preachers wife, to Sunday School teachers abusing the kids. Seen ALL of this. Not all in ONE church, mind you.

The one church that I would still be going to, if it were still open, was a Penticostal church in the old part of Dayton that was sold to the city by the land owner...

Originally posted by Raynewitch
My partner has no faith...that suits me fine.....he doesnt ask and I dont tell. :D

That said...I couldnt date a hardcore Christian (not that they would date me either....), it would be too freaky. If they were a Christian I would go church with them too....as long as they participated in my Rituals :D

Rayne

Rayne, if you can get a devout Christian to celebrate Beltane with you, I will personally begin to worship you specifically. Oooh, and if you conceived, I'd worship the baby.

Originally posted by Brian


What were you before??




Then you'll be shocked to find out my kids DO attend various types church functions. BTW, I don't let my kids do ANYTHING they want. Just said we answer questions when asked, but, do not force anything. If that's a sin, guess I guilty. Myself, I don't go. I'll lets them find out why I do not go on there own. But I'll post my reason here:

With the exception of one church I attended as a kid, I have never met a more hypocritical, self serving, holier-than-thou group of people in my life as I see in 90% of the church congregations I've been to. From a preacher commiting the same sins he preaches against on Sunday, to a deacon banging the preachers wife, to Sunday School teachers abusing the kids. Seen ALL of this. Not all in ONE church, mind you.

The one church that I would still be going to, if it were still open, was a Penticostal church in the old part of Dayton that was sold to the city by the land owner...

Okay, there ARE some bad people masquerading as Christians. We all agree with that, BUT, how does that change YOUR relationship with God? It doesn't.

The world is FULL of hypocrites and bad people. I think it's odd that we accept hipocrisy at work, school, and in our government (and, hehehehe, in our own lives), but the church must be, as a whole, condemned as being unworthy. I have NEVER understood that kind of reasoning.

Oh, and, for what it's worth, my home church (of 32 years) and the church I was a member of both OPENLY screwed me during and after my divorce. Regardless, their actions did NOT change my relationship with God.

Why a non-christian of course!! :D

I was an E-5 in the US Navy stationed at Miramar Naval Air Station. Drinking ocassionally, spending time at the officers club even though I wasn't allowed. "Dating" quite a few men I was not supposed to ....fraternization don't ya know! Seeing an f-18 pilot, an F-14 pilot, an E-4, and a Navy SEAL all at the same time, while working and going to college. And never happy or fulfilled, though I had fun many a time. Blah, blah, blah. So I guess you could say I was an accident waiting to happen.

But, God was calling me the whole time and I knew it. When I would ask the few christians I did know, they would give me some blase answer that did not agree with what I was hearing.

UNTIL......my friends parents set me on the path and said the same thing to me as the Holy Spirit was saying. then it clicked and the rest, as they say, is history.


And Brian, I do agree with you that many people that go to church do not follow the teachings of Christ which we found laid out in the Bible. But it should be pointed out that just because you go to the auto shop does not make you a car......even so going to a building does not make you a christian. (using the generic term you....not referring to you personally here) Jesus said we could judge people by their fruit or rather what they do. Paul and the apostles all said the same thing. We can judge if someone is of God or a christian by thier actions. Sorry to say that if a preacher or any one claiming to be chrisitan does the things you name, I seriously doubt their relationship with Christ.

Many preachers teach that once you are "saved" you are always saved no matter what you do. That is not the truth. Jesus said many will come to him saying "Lord, Lord didn't we do so and so in your name?" and He will say "depart from me you workers of lawlessness, I do not know you." And they will be cast into outer darkness. So folks who continually walk in sins they know, are doomed unless they STOP AND DO NOT START AGAIN. That is the meaning of repentance. And pay the penalty for their sins. For though Christ paid it all on the cross, some sins have immediate consequences, as you well know. Christ paid for the forgiveness from the Father, not relief of circumstances.

As to you sending the kids to church activities, that is good, but still your inaction speaks louder than words. By not going, even though you may think it doesn't, you are showing them that it is not important. You are teaching them that because a human made mistakes it should affect their relationship with God, as it has yours. My own birthfather says the reason he never went to church was because of the hypocrisy......never mind he was a drunk etc.

We can judge, and we should judge fruit of lives, as long as we judge righteously. Jesus said to remove the log from our own eye before taking the speck from our brothers. I too have seen much overlooking of sin in the house of God and much laziness on the part of "men of God" to stand up for righteousness and holiness in the church, but it has not affected me, because I know they are human and faliable, but God is not. I know all men lie, but God never does. I knwo men can be faithless, but God never is. I know a righteous man can fall seventy times but the Lord will always pick him up.

God COMMANDED parents who call upon his name to train up thier childeren in the way, so that when they ae old they will not depart from it. You, I assume know all this. And yet out of anger at humans you have shurked your responsibility before the Lord. YOU are the priest in the home.......not the pastor. YOU are the one responsible for the spiritual training of your kids.....not the pastor. And YOU will answer to God.....not the pastor.

You came from a Penecostal church in Dayton. I knew a pimp there and my first son's father was a "got my liscens in the mail" penecostal preacher who beat his wife. His son beat me, so I know what you mean about the people that sit in the pews at a church. My mother drug me through Mormon, Baptist, Jewish, and Penecostal churches. She even had Anton LeVays Satanic Bible for awhile. (She a little nuts sometimes..long story my mom) HUMANS are faliable as I said. All of those had liars and cheats and nasty kids in them. She turned her back on God. I turned my back on everything but me and self preservation, while hoping someone would love me.

So there are humans at churchs......suprise. Brother, I always say let him who is among you that is without sin cast the first stone. And that pretty much sums it up. You are the father the children have. You are their example of the Father here on earth. Will you risk your childrens eternal salvation because you are angry that some men sin?

Now I don't know you from Adam, but you justified yourself to me on why you don't go to church any more and why you aren't training your children in the way, the truth, and the life. Why you hae not trained them in the love and the power of the Lord to overcome trials and sins. As a Penecostal you must knwo something of th Holy Spirit and His works and power......have you demonstrated this to your kids? Do you lay hands on your kids when they are sick? Do they see your devotion ot the Lord?

Simple questions from a sister to a brother in Christ.

"The world is FULL of hypocrites and bad people. I think it's odd that we accept hipocrisy at work, school, and in our government (and, hehehehe, in our own lives), but the church must be, as a whole, condemned as being unworthy. I have NEVER understood that kind of reasoning. "


You are right in questioning it. BUT, God holds us to a higher standard and we should try to live up to it. If we preach holiness, then I reckon we oughta have some. But, we are human and it is hard and THAT is why we have an advocate with the Father, the man Jesus who is ever making intersession for us. And THAT is why we have the baptism of th Holy Spirit......to give us the strength and power to overcoem the temptations that come our way.

Another reason the world judges us that way, is because it justifies them. After all, if we do it then they aren't so bad. And that is why it is so horrible that there is so much sin in the church today. It has fallen a great distance from what it was. It's called holiness before the Lord. Not to mention it gives them satisfaction to see us fall......sort of like rejoicing over the fall of the enemy. It gives them pleasure.

Becky

Well frankly Id rather date a human being than a rhetoric so as long as she didnt define herself in terms of a fixed ideology I wouldnt rule out somebody religious.

Originally posted by Brian


What were you before??




Then you'll be shocked to find out my kids DO attend various types church functions. BTW, I don't let my kids do ANYTHING they want. Just said we answer questions when asked, but, do not force anything. If that's a sin, guess I guilty. Myself, I don't go. I'll lets them find out why I do not go on there own. But I'll post my reason here:

With the exception of one church I attended as a kid, I have never met a more hypocritical, self serving, holier-than-thou group of people in my life as I see in 90% of the church congregations I've been to. From a preacher commiting the same sins he preaches against on Sunday, to a deacon banging the preachers wife, to Sunday School teachers abusing the kids. Seen ALL of this. Not all in ONE church, mind you.

The one church that I would still be going to, if it were still open, was a Penticostal church in the old part of Dayton that was sold to the city by the land owner...

I think thats a very admirable attitude, and I think it is very noble of you to encourage your kids to try a variety of activities and you seek to offer them straight answers. I imagine your kids will respect you for allowing them to make their own choices when they grow up. I know my parents did and I cant really think of a bad thing to say about them, I have the utmost respect for them.

And even if Christians and "God" wont forgive or respect you for your decisions on how to raise your family id be willing to bet that your kids will, and thats what really counts isnt it?

Originally posted by Momof6


God COMMANDED parents who call upon his name to train up thier childeren in the way, so that when they ae old they will not depart from it. Just curious, have you ever wondered why you have to get em while they are young? Is it possible that you just want to teach them to not question or think for themselves? So that when they grow up they have to put a disclaimer before any question of God?

That's getting too far off-topic, homey, but I'd love to hear more argument about it! How about we take this to the Spirituality forum?

Originally posted by Je$ter
No....not a problem with the give and take thing at all....actually I think it is rather big of you that you would make that offer....

I would just be REALLY shocked if you could get a Christian to partake in your "Rituals".... :D

Well my "Rituals" as you put it, are just as important to me as your church to you....and I have had a couple of Christian friends who have said if their partner had a different religion they would participate if they werent forced to convert....

Rayne

Originally posted by Guitarophile


Rayne, if you can get a devout Christian to celebrate Beltane with you, I will personally begin to worship you specifically. Oooh, and if you conceived, I'd worship the baby.

LMAO youre on....and I did get the significance of Beltane and Conceiving....not that I celebrated this year anyway...

Rayne

Originally posted by Momof6




The reason He wants us with those of our own faith is because if one falls the other can pick them up. If you are married to an unbeliver that will not happen. Not to mention the wholh "sex" thing. And children are to be trained......we train them all the time in many things. Do you actually believe (speaking as christians here now) that God does not expect you to train children in the way? It is our sacred duty to Him and them and we are held acountable to Him for them.




Try before you buy ;)

Rayne.

Originally posted by D Durden


Okay, there ARE some bad people masquerading as Christians. We all agree with that, BUT, how does that change YOUR relationship with God? It doesn't.

I never said it did... Let me put it this way, every major religion states that if you do not worship God in thier manner, you will go to hell. If true, Hell will be WAY more over-populated than China. I don't question my belief in God, I question the way organized religions would have you worship him and the hypocracy involved.

Originally posted by D Durden
The world is FULL of hypocrites and bad people. I think it's odd that we accept hipocrisy at work, school, and in our government (and, hehehehe, in our own lives), but the church must be, as a whole, condemned as being unworthy. I have NEVER understood that kind of reasoning.

Dave, if you knew me persoanlly, you wouldn't have even bothered wasteing the energy to type that. I have QUIT jobs due to hypocracy. "We want our employees to be loyal to the company, and, oh, no pay raises this year because we mismanaged the business. Managment will get a $2000 bonus, though.." or "our profit margins have dropped from 35% to 21% so we are gonna cut the workforce by 30%."

Originally posted by D Durden
Oh, and, for what it's worth, my home church (of 32 years) and the church I was a member of both OPENLY screwed me during and after my divorce. Regardless, their actions did NOT change my relationship with God.

Good. Nor should it have. Your decision to continue going to that church is what was right for you. I would be out of line to say anything different.

Wow, this is rapidly turning into an extra-lame Jack Chick comic, minus the funny pictures.

Originally posted by Aphasia
Wow, this is rapidly turning into an extra-lame Jack Chick comic, minus the funny pictures.

Then how about adding some excitement to the thread... :)

Originally posted by CodyChaos
And even if Christians and "God" wont forgive or respect you for your decisions on how to raise your family id be willing to bet that your kids will, and thats what really counts isnt it?

Uh . . . . no? :D Eternal salvation is what matters. To a Christian, if eveyrone on Earth thought they were the greatest person in the world, but they weren't listed in "tha' book", it all doesn't matter.

God is the ONLY thing in my life more important than my child . . . which may seem strange or "wrong", but, if I didn't have God, I don't think I'd be a complete parent. So, it's a circular and symbiotic relationship.

Well, it has been some time since I have been able to check this post...been home sick today and with my crappy dial up speed of 32K...all it does is piss me off if I try to dial up....

Anyways, kind of funny how this post has gotten of the subject....but I really kind of expected it to....lol

Rayne:
Well my "Rituals" as you put it,
This bothered me...the whole reason I used the quotation marks was to quote you....not to poke fun of, or be negitive...they were your words. I hope you did not read something else into that...if so I do apologize.

Also...
I have had a couple of Christian friends who have said if their partner had a different religion they would participate if they werent forced to convert....
Now, (not being a pita, but) before I was "saved" and really knew what it was to actually be a Christian, if someone asked me I would have said "Yea, I'm a Christian". I also would not have had a problem being with someone of another faith and participated in their belief....BUT....now that I am "saved" and KNOW I am a Christian... I truely believe anyone who is actually a Christian, and follows Christ, would not readily participate in another religion.... This is only my opinion...I speak for no one else...

Shoot, as a Christian, that was the beginning of this post...my questioning if I could even be in a relationship with someone of another "faith" (not even talking about participating in it with them)

I know this is gonna sound like I'm trying to start something, and you have my word I really am not :D :D

Originally posted by Je$ter
Well, it has been some time since I have been able to check this post...been home sick today and with my crappy dial up speed of 32K...all it does is piss me off if I try to dial up....

Anyways, kind of funny how this post has gotten of the subject....but I really kind of expected it to....lol

Rayne:

This bothered me...the whole reason I used the quotation marks was to quote you....not to poke fun of, or be negitive...they were your words. I hope you did not read something else into that...if so I do apologize.

Also...

Now, (not being a pita, but) before I was "saved" and really knew what it was to actually be a Christian, if someone asked me I would have said "Yea, I'm a Christian". I also would not have had a problem being with someone of another faith and participated in their belief....BUT....now that I am "saved" and KNOW I am a Christian... I truely believe anyone who is actually a Christian, and follows Christ, would not readily participate in another religion.... This is only my opinion...I speak for no one else...

Shoot, as a Christian, that was the beginning of this post...my questioning if I could even be in a relationship with someone of another "faith" (not even talking about participating in it with them)

I know this is gonna sound like I'm trying to start something, and you have my word I really am not :D :D

Sorry I get a bit ticked if I think someone is looking down on what I do....most cases it doesnt bother me but for Wicca and Witchcraft it does.....

LMAO but what are the chances of a devout (sp?) Christian and a Witch shacking up anyway...so it wouldnt really apply to me I guess...anyone who would force a religion upon me isnt really worth dating. :D

Rayne

I dated a Wiccan for a while. She was a cool chick. No problems.

Honestly, though, it would be REALLY tough to settle down with a non-Christian.

Sorry I get a bit ticked if I think someone is looking down on what I do....most cases it doesnt bother me but for Wicca and Witchcraft it does.....

Yep...I know how you feel....
I'm sure you've seen me "bow up" when some people on here knock Christianity.... That is why I (now) try very hard not to offend others on here when it comes to this subject....

Originally posted by Je$ter


Yep...I know how you feel....
I'm sure you've seen me "bow up" when some people on here knock Christianity.... That is why I (now) try very hard not to offend others on here when it comes to this subject....

Heh heh heh

Originally posted by Je$ter
what jester said left out 'cause pitch hates long posts

I'm wiccan and my wife is christian.
No problems so far. We've done my holidays, and hers without a hitch.

It's probably because she's not a bible thumper, and I'm not some kind of warlock. We have better things to worry about than religion.

It's probably because she's not a bible thumper

I guess it depends on your definition of "Bible thumper".....
I don't consider myself a Bible thumper....nor would my friends say that about me. Now, I'm a practicing Christian for sure....and I personally would have a hard time with celebrating a wiccan holiday.

Interesting situation you have going though....glad it works for you....and thank you for your example

Originally posted by Je$ter


I guess it depends on your definition of "Bible thumper".....
I don't consider myself a Bible thumper....nor would my friends say that about me. Now, I'm a practicing Christian for sure....and I personally would have a hard time with celebrating a wiccan holiday.

Interesting situation you have going though....glad it works for you....and thank you for your example
You'd be amazed how many Christian holidays are Pagan holidays renamed.

Originally posted by jwreck

You'd be amazed how many Christian holidays are Pagan holidays renamed.

True. Anyone ever wondered where the Easter egg came from? Or the bunny?

Also, though it's not wiccan, Dec 25 wasn't always Christmas as I remember, it was related to something else, I just can't remember what.

Originally posted by pitchafit


True. Anyone ever wondered where the Easter egg came from? Or the bunny?

Also, though it's not wiccan, Dec 25 wasn't always Christmas as I remember, it was related to something else, I just can't remember what.
The Pagan holiday Yule. I don't remember the details, but I know the Yule log is a surviving pagan tradition. Ill try and find the details.

Originally posted by pitchafit


True. Anyone ever wondered where the Easter egg came from? Or the bunny?

Also, though it's not wiccan, Dec 25 wasn't always Christmas as I remember, it was related to something else, I just can't remember what.

Do believe Ester is a celebration of the fertillity goddess Estarte, the egg and rabbit being symbols of fertility. IF Christian celebrated it, they should celebrate passover, which is what the death of Christ symbolizes. Of course He never said to do any of it except to remember him when breaking bread together.

Christmas is the Winter Solstice I do believe. Roman Catholics sorta incorporated tons of pagan holidays into the scheme of things.

The ONLY reason we celebrate either of those is that it makes Dan's mom happy.....we have her only grandkids!! :D


Interesting note---I think the statute of Liberty is a statue of Estarte.....rembering hearing that somewhere.



I too am glad pitch is a happy camper....it makes me happy too! It's always good to see folks happy. But for me, I couldn't do it because I feel a sense of moral obligation to raise the kids God has blessed me with in the knowledge of His word and ways. That could not be done in a mixed relationship.

Becky

Yes, there's the winter solstice, but that's more coincidence since winter solstice isn't an absolute it varies a little, I believe it was after a day reserved for a god... dammit what is it...

Oh, and you got the Easter trivia correct. I'm impressed.

Good, good.....you should be!! Happy to share my infinite knowledge with you!!!

Ahhh now I remember, it's the sun god, and it is related to wicca through the soltice, I just gotta put 2 and 2 together sometimes...

Funny how the religions seem to branch from one source and intertwine later on, huh?

So Becky, still coming to Palm Springs? I need to know what day since on Christmas/Winter Solstice/Sun-dude day, I plan on seeing my familia in phoenix.

I'll try to get an exact date for you. Probably the week including Christmas.....few days before/few days after. Dan is working again so we can't take off for a long time like we were.

We live in PHX, so if we miss each other there maybe we can hook up here. I'm sure something will work out. :D