There were 1,000,000 SS men, and only 300,000 were from Germany. There were volunteers from 33 countries, including England, France, Russia, and the United States. There was even a Muslim SS division. Stuff that they never told us.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v03/v03p441_Degrelle.html

More reading for people with minds.


http://www.ihr.org/jhr/jhrvolumes.html

http://www.charleslindbergh.com/americanfirst/index.asp

http://www.ety.com/HRP/rev/thejewishwar.htm

http://compuserb.com/holoindu.htm

http://outofisrael.com/navigator_map.htm

http://www.revilo-oliver.com/Kevin-Strom-personal/kasindex.html

Sorry, Morph, but you just made my ignoratnt list. Have a good dream.

Are you at the top of your list? I don't want the interest of someone who resents knowledge. Stay ignorant. You will be more comfortable.

God! I can't stand dull minded people who lack curiousity.

Maybe if enough of them join me you'll find your way back to your comics.

Silly you. You think that the planets revolve around you? There are other webboards.

I like learning. I have always been curious. Tell me. What does it feel like to be closed minded and complacent in ignorance? The SS Divisions were some of the finest fighting men ever assembled, and you are not curious about them. That is sad.

Yeah, its too bad they could only find 300,000 ignorant obedient fools in the Vaterland. If they had waited you could have joined them.

http://www.waffen-ss.com/

The Waffen SS was a sort of German Foreign Legion.

I am not a believer in the Nazis but I do find this force very interesting. For example there was a contigent of troops from India. There was also a very large group of Russian troops.

The Russians actually volunteered for their own survival. Because the Russians did not adhere to the Geneva Convention, they were not given the same degree of care accorded other prisoners of war. Furthermore, it was known among all Russians that to surrender to an enemy force was an act of treason. For this reason many Russians joined the German led forces.

For propaganda purposes, a so called Russian Liberation Army was formed under General Vlasov. This unit did not in fact exist until the very end of the war. They were deployed against their fellow Russians at a point when such resistance was futile.

Ironically, the only action taken by the Russian Liberation Army was when they joined the citizens of Prague in rebelling agains the Nazis. They then went west to surrender to the Western Allies. Their General Vlasov was promised favorable treatment if he surrendered his men. After that Eisenhower and the US forces put the Russians on trains that led them immediately to the Red army. As a result of this trechery, Vlasov and his Generals were hanged by the Russians. Those Russians who survived outright execution were sent to icey gulags in Siberia where most of them died. Only after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1990 did a small handfull of survivors gain their freedom.

Thank you. criminal. So there is one other in here with a mind and a desire to learn. That is two of us so far.

Originally posted by MorphicOutFielder
Thank you. criminal. So there is one other in here with a mind and a desire to learn. That is two of us so far.
The pleasure is all mine. This place is for dialog and it doesnt matter what side you take, just be respectful to others.

I am new here to this forum.

I was in the Army and interested in anything military. History, Cultures and Military. Sounds like a place to talk of any subject pertaining to military. So why does Redline99 have to resort to name calling pertaining to a Waffen SS discussion.

Why come on and make a comment, I would figure if a person does not like a certain topic--don't post on it.

Originally posted by Currahee
So why does Redline99 have to resort to name calling pertaining to a Waffen SS discussion.


To be honest with you, something set me off.

And speaking of meaningless posts....

Originally posted by MorphicOutFielder
There were 1,000,000 SS men, and only 300,000 were from Germany. There were volunteers from 33 countries, including England, France, Russia, and the United States. There was even a Muslim SS division. Stuff that they never told us.


LOL Your revisionist sites arn't very credible Morphic, but as to your original statement of the diversity of the SS, it is somewhat true. Though there were very few Americans, and only a handful of Brits, in the SS (And the Brits who were in it were perhaps some of the LEAST reliable troops in the organization). There was in fact a Bosnian Muslim SS Division, crafted by the Mufti of Jerusalem (Who Yasser Arafat actually claims to be related to), which is responsible for a lot of the animosity which sprang up in the Balkans during the 90s.

The French troops were Ok, the Russians wern't really that good nor were they trusted. Given the option of a German POW camp (Which were particularly harsh on the Russians) or service, its no big surprise. As I recall Hitler later ordered them to be stripped of their weapons.

There was, in fact, a contingent of Indians which joined up also which you didn't mention.

Originally posted by MorphicOutFielder
Silly you. You think that the planets revolve around you? There are other webboards.

I like learning. I have always been curious. Tell me. What does it feel like to be closed minded and complacent in ignorance? The SS Divisions were some of the finest fighting men ever assembled, and you are not curious about them. That is sad.

If they were the best, they'd have won the war. Dead and gone, just another failed experiment in lunacy, and good riddance.

They weren't elite at all if you look at their (SS) TOE they had 150% the firepower of a normal wehrmacht div. They were like an army within an army, a wasteful duality of resouces that germany could not afford. More of a political animal than military, their officers really sucked. A Russian SS div was responsible for the destruction of the Warsaw Ghetto, you can see big R's on their helmets in pictures. And the last SS units fighting above Hitlers bunker was a Dutch regt and a Belgian-French div, they were recruited as anti-communists but there waws no surrender for them. One on one the regular army was better: better training,leadership and experience.

Originally posted by GHOST 13
A Russian SS div was responsible for the destruction of the Warsaw Ghetto, you can see big R's on their helmets in pictures.
I believe the division was led by a General Kaminsky (I could be mistaken about the spelling) and was a Cossak division. Russian Cossaks were recruited seperately by the Germans. Incidently this same General was removed from command and dissapeared soon afterwards. It was often assumed that he was liquidated by the Nazis because of the ruthlessness of his actions in Warsaw.

Originally posted by Sulla the Dictator
Though there were very few Americans, This is news to me. Could you please give me more information on the americans. I would really like to know more on this.

If you think the SS units made sense, what about the Luftwaffe Field Divisions?

Originally posted by Criminal
This is news to me. Could you please give me more information on the americans. I would really like to know more on this.


To my knowledge there were no American units in the SS, but there were a couple dozen who had gone to Germany to join up. Lunatics abound in every nation.

Originally posted by GHOST 13
If you think the SS units made sense, what about the Luftwaffe Field Divisions?

Now THOSE were wasteful. Especially with the amount of Tigers distributed to Goering's army formed out of ego.

They sure got their asses kicked by an American Army made up of Chinese, Japanese, Italians, Irish, Swedes, Spanish, mid-easterners, just about every race, including JEWS!

Originally posted by Gen.Snafu
They sure got their asses kicked by an American Army made up of Chinese, Japanese, Italians, Irish, Swedes, Spanish, mid-easterners, just about every race, including JEWS!

Outnumbered by over a 100 to 1, fighting on two fronts. Defeat was inevitable once the jews duped America into the war. America had NO logical reason to be in that war. Roosevelt did everything possible to get us involved. In the beginning, Germany actually had good reason to believe that America would be an ally.

You mean aside from the fact that Germany declared war on America and began an unrestricted u-boat campaign against her vessels? What reasons did Hitler have to believe America would be an ally, especially when Roosevelt consistently sued for peace in the years leading up to the declaration of war, whilst Hitler constantly rebuked him in his speeches to the Reichstag?

Originally posted by Potyondi
You mean aside from the fact that Germany declared war on America and began an unrestricted u-boat campaign against her vessels? What reasons did Hitler have to believe America would be an ally, especially when Roosevelt consistently sued for peace in the years leading up to the declaration of war, whilst Hitler constantly rebuked him in his speeches to the Reichstag?

Perhaps you never learned that Hitler got many of his ideas from the United States, that wealthy New York Jews and David Rockefeller(standard oil) helped finance the rise of Hitler, Time made him "Man Of The Year", that the population of United States(and the world) disliked(or hated) jews, that Hitler had a working relationship with jews in what is called Israel, that there were even jews in Israel who wanted to join his forces, that........

No, you haven't learned

Roosevelt wanted into that war so bad he would do anything, even sacrifice lives at Pearl Harbor. The jew Morgenthau had Roosevelt's ear.

Ever wonder why NO jew account of WWII EVER mentions that world jewry declared war on Germany in 1933? Most people like it just the way it is taught and presented on television.

Germany was flourishing while other nations wallowed in the depression. Jew bankers and western leaders were terrified that their people would learn what could be done by casting out the jew banking system.