This thread is specifically for the two of you to figure out exactly what the hell went on between you two. I won't check it unless asked to by one party or the other...I've been in this way too long, and I want it over so I don't have to be in it any longer.

I cannot, however, say whether any of the other members will contribute their two cents to your quarrel. This is, after all, publicly accessible.

So let's get to the bottom of this, right here, right now.

um...okay, so what happened.....I'm not even sure....I'm just angry over everything....yeah, but I will say that I still don't understand why you had to make a big deal over it, if you hadn't said anything no one would have known it was you.

Hmmmmm. Bump.


"You can't handle the truth!"

I will not have you spreading lies about me, even if people don't know your talking about me. It's not right, you think you have the moral high ground, but by lieing you whatever high ground you might have had, is gone.

For the record, I was with him almost constantly and am one of the only people that he will tell anything and everything to. He never cheated on you, and you're a fool for believing he would. I would not still be friends with him had he debased his morals so.

And you're right, nobody would ever have known if he hadn't chosen to speak up. But we all have our breaking points, and for him the breaking point was the blatant lie you told twice over. Deal.

As far as I knew, it was true.If it's not, then sorry. You have to admit though, that there have been plenty of times you've lied to me, so you can't blame me for having thought this was just another one of those times..... so I'm a fool for believing he cheated on me?..... yeah, well how many times during our relationship did he tell me "I don't think I'm attracted to you anymore because the girls I hang around with are really hot" Well, that was just a wonderful thing to say to me when I was like 3 months pregnant with his kid. After that comment what was I supposed to think?

Originally posted by Bunnygirl
yeah, well how many times during our relationship did he tell me "I don't think I'm attracted to you anymore because the girls I hang around with are really hot" Well, that was just a wonderful thing to say to me when I was like 3 months pregnant with his kid. After that comment what was I supposed to think?

I never said that. I'm evil, but not that evil. and plus I didn't hang out with any girls, just the guys at the bench, Mike, and Zach. You need to get your facts streight.

Originally posted by TheGreatMonkey


I never said that. I'm evil, but not that evil. and plus I didn't hang out with any girls, just the guys at the bench, Mike, and Zach. You need to get your facts streight.

Yes, you did say that.....that's not something I would lie about. and now that it's come up, what about Dylan? For the past 15 months you've been sitting on your ass doing nothing to help with him, you haven't spent a single penny to help out ...and you wonder why I have something against you?

I don't wonder why you hate me, I never have, frankly I don't care if you do. I care when you spread blatent lies about me. You've never asked for a penny to support Dylan. In fact you've in the past said you don't need it. You accuse me of being a manipulative lier, but you lie or bend truths far more often then I do. In fact the only thing I lie about any more is you.

I lie more than you do? Don't even go there, you're the one that always lies whenever you need something. In fact you'll lie to anyone if it makes you look good, and if you need examples I have plenty. And I shouldn't have to go and beg you for money, you should ask if he needs anything, but as long as he's out of your way you don't care.

:: Grabs his popcorn ::

...and these are the Days of our Lives.

Huh... no... I dont actually watch soap operas... but damn theres alot of hot chicks on those things.

-Æ (watches intently)

*sneaks in and sits down next to ÆSiR* Have I missed anything other than the previews?
*munches on sushi* (Ok...so I don't like popcorn during movies and I have a paticular craving for sushi right now...so shoot me!)

Originally posted by ActingBugsAttack
*sneaks in and sits down next to ÆSiR* Have I missed anything other than the previews?
*munches on sushi* (Ok...so I don't like popcorn during movies and I have a paticular craving for sushi right now...so shoot me!)

:: puts his arm around ABA ::

nah.. ya didn't miss much.
Bunny and TGM are fighting over some things that were or weren't said....
Hey... can I get one of those sushis

-Æ (Nice profile pic by the way ;) )

Originally posted by Bunnygirl
I lie more than you do? Don't even go there, you're the one that always lies whenever you need something. In fact you'll lie to anyone if it makes you look good, and if you need examples I have plenty. And I shouldn't have to go and beg you for money, you should ask if he needs anything, but as long as he's out of your way you don't care.

I would like to hear you examples, because I rerely lie actualy. Your right you shouldn't have to beg, but since we don't talk, I can't know if you need any help with anything unless you ask.

okay, what about when you and Zach lied to everyone at school about Dylan being your son?(and don't say that you weren't sure because when I offered you a paternity test you didn't even show up for it), or when you asked me to get back together with you and I asked you why, and you said something like "I still care about you" but the real reason was that you were upset over your girlfriend dumping you and sleeping with someone else, oh, and what about this past August when we got back together, and then you left for camp and when you came back, you came back with a new girlfriend and dumped me without a second thought....there's probably more, I just can't think of them right now....and I've tried asking you for help and you either tell me you're too busy to watch him, or he cries too much, or you "don't do well with children under 12", or you're broke, it's like you have an excuse for everything.

*Finishes his sushi. Yes, really!*

So, let me get this straight: Bunny & TGM have a son, Dylan, but are no longer a couple, and now enjoy sniping at each other via DA? ****, I thought the Durdens/Princess deal was a soap opera!

Why'd you break up...the first time?

Someone pass me a cold one. And a slice or two of pizza.

Originally posted by Bunnygirl
okay, what about when you and Zach lied to everyone at school about Dylan being your son?(and don't say that you weren't sure because when I offered you a paternity test you didn't even show up for it), or when you asked me to get back together with you and I asked you why, and you said something like "I still care about you" but the real reason was that you were upset over your girlfriend dumping you and sleeping with someone else, oh, and what about this past August when we got back together, and then you left for camp and when you came back, you came back with a new girlfriend and dumped me without a second thought....there's probably more, I just can't think of them right now....and I've tried asking you for help and you either tell me you're too busy to watch him, or he cries too much, or you "don't do well with children under 12", or you're broke, it's like you have an excuse for everything.

:bs: Zach and I never said that Dylan wasn't mine, I may not have advertised that I have a son. I did still care about you, your one of those people that I can't decide if I hate of or have feelings for. We agreed that us getting back together in August was a mutual mistake (or did you lie about that too). You've never asked me to watch Dylan, in fact you've said numorouse times that you don't trust me to watch him alone.



Originally posted by JoeyNormal
*Finishes his sushi. Yes, really!*

So, let me get this straight: Bunny & TGM have a son, Dylan, but are no longer a couple, and now enjoy sniping at each other via DA? ****, I thought the Durdens/Princess deal was a soap opera!

Why'd you break up...the first time?


Actualy I would have rathered this have been over along time ago. But she keeps bring up ancient history, I actualy don't know how she found her way here, not really. It shocked me when I discovered that she was here. We broke up the first time, because we didn't see enough of each other, her parents wouldn't let her out of the house, and I ended up getting so frustrated with that, that I couldn't take it anymore. Although I ended up getting back together with her. Repeat that formula a couple of time before Dylan was concieved, and you get to the more current regurgitated drama.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TheGreatMonkey


:bs: Zach and I never said that Dylan wasn't mine, I may not have advertised that I have a son. I did still care about you, your one of those people that I can't decide if I hate of or have feelings for. We agreed that us getting back together in August was a mutual mistake (or did you lie about that too). You've never asked me to watch Dylan, in fact you've said numorouse times that you don't trust me to watch him alone.

keep lying if you want to, maybe one day you'll actually convince yourself you're telling the truth....and just because I acknowledged that us getting back together was a mistake doesn't mean it didn't hurt. So, if I asked you to watch Dylan you'd do it, or are you gonna come up with some Bull**** excuse like usual?

Actualy I would have rathered this have been over along time ago. But she keeps bring up ancient history, I actualy don't know how she found her way here, not really. It shocked me when I discovered that she was here. We broke up the first time, because we didn't see enough of each other, her parents wouldn't let her out of the house, and I ended up getting so frustrated with that, that I couldn't take it anymore. Although I ended up getting back together with her. Repeat that formula a couple of time before Dylan was concieved, and you get to the more current regurgitated drama. [/QUOTE

I didn't even know that you were on here, and the only reason you want me to leave you alone is because you don't want to have any responsibility towards Dylan.

Where do you people live in relation to each other? Same town/city?

Originally posted by JoeyNormal
Where do you people live in relation to each other? Same town/city?

he lives like 20 minutes away from me

You two really need to talk. Preferably with a counsellor and riot squad present...

I hate getting involved in other people's ****, but there's a kid involved. Honestly how either one of you feels doesn't matter one bit, both of your lives now belong to dylan, now start acting like it.

Originally posted by JoeyNormal
You two really need to talk. Preferably with a counsellor and riot squad present...


LOL!

:: passes notch a beer and the pizza ::

:: waves a TGM Banner!!! Go Team! ::

:: Calls his bookie ::

-Æ ( :) )

Originally posted by Bunnygirl

:bs: Zach and I never said that Dylan wasn't mine, I may not have advertised that I have a son. I did still care about you, your one of those people that I can't decide if I hate of or have feelings for. We agreed that us getting back together in August was a mutual mistake (or did you lie about that too). You've never asked me to watch Dylan, in fact you've said numorouse times that you don't trust me to watch him alone.

keep lying if you want to, maybe one day you'll actually convince yourself you're telling the truth....and just because I acknowledged that us getting back together was a mistake doesn't mean it didn't hurt. So, if I asked you to watch Dylan you'd do it, or are you gonna come up with some Bull**** excuse like usual?

Actualy I would have rathered this have been over along time ago. But she keeps bring up ancient history, I actualy don't know how she found her way here, not really. It shocked me when I discovered that she was here. We broke up the first time, because we didn't see enough of each other, her parents wouldn't let her out of the house, and I ended up getting so frustrated with that, that I couldn't take it anymore. Although I ended up getting back together with her. Repeat that formula a couple of time before Dylan was concieved, and you get to the more current regurgitated drama.

I didn't even know that you were on here, and the only reason you want me to leave you alone is because you don't want to have any responsibility towards Dylan.


I know that breaking up hurts, even when it was a mistake. I'm not lieing, I'm telling you the truth. I would watch Dylan if you had nobody else, assuming of course that I can cancele anything I might have scheduled for that day, e.g. work or school.

Originally posted by TheGreatMonkey



I know that breaking up hurts, even when it was a mistake. I'm not lieing, I'm telling you the truth. I would watch Dylan if you had nobody else, assuming of course that I can cancele anything I might have scheduled for that day, e.g. work or school.

Look, I'm sorry if what I said hurt you or offended you, like I said I was sure that it was the truth. You have to try to understand though, I get so frustrated that you're able to do what you want whenever you want and I can't. If I want to go out I have to make sure that I have someone to watch Dylan, and if I don't then I'm not gonna go anywhere, that and if I do go out I feel guilty that I'm out with my friends instead of spending more time with Dylan. You don't worry about that, I have a lot of things on me right now, I go to school full time, and take care of Dylan...most nights I don't get to sleep until 1 or 2 in the morning and Dylan usually get up around 6. I get so angry that I have to deal with everything while you're off pretending Dylan doesn't exist. I know life isn't fair but this is too much. Like I told you before, all I've ever wanted is for you to spend time with himand see him so that you can get to know each other.That's all I want, I don't care about the money, although it would definitely help a lot. I don't know if you can understand that but it's the best I can do right now.

Okay, now my name was mentioned in direct relation to this. My turn.

*bell rings*

I never said he didn't have a son. He never said he never had a son. In fact, neither of us said anything about it except to each other in almost every instance.

And here's a few things you might not want brought up, Lilibeth...(1) We had to find out FROM KRYSTAL that you had given birth...what, two days after you did? You didn't even give enough of a damn about his end of this whole thing to let him know you had given birth yourself, you relied on a civilian. That was low. (2) You said you were planning on aborting the baby, or so I was led to believe, and then proceeded to do absolutely squat about it. You even asked Andrew for money instead of doing your homework and finding a clinic. (3) You are going back on your own words. You said you don't want help from him (he forwarded me the bloody e-mails, don't deny it again) and then you have the gall to say he doesn't want to take responsibility? I read the e-mail you sent him saying you didn't even want him involved with Dylan in any major way...and then you backtrack to say this? You're worse than a bad press conference!

Oh, and did Andrew ever tell you that the reason he didn't want the paternity test (one of the reasons) is because he was afraid he would find out he wasn't the father? Let's not forget, Lily, that you got together with Andrew the first time by cheating on Chris Corbin.

Originally posted by Stage Monster
Okay, now my name was mentioned in direct relation to this. My turn.

*bell rings*

I never said he didn't have a son. He never said he never had a son. In fact, neither of us said anything about it except to each other in almost every instance.

And here's a few things you might not want brought up, Lilibeth...(1) We had to find out FROM KRYSTAL that you had given birth...what, two days after you did? You didn't even give enough of a damn about his end of this whole thing to let him know you had given birth yourself, you relied on a civilian. That was low. (2) You said you were planning on aborting the baby, or so I was led to believe, and then proceeded to do absolutely squat about it. You even asked Andrew for money instead of doing your homework and finding a clinic. (3) You are going back on your own words. You said you don't want help from him (he forwarded me the bloody e-mails, don't deny it again) and then you have the gall to say he doesn't want to take responsibility? I read the e-mail you sent him saying you didn't even want him involved with Dylan in any major way...and then you backtrack to say this? You're worse than a bad press conference!

Oh, and did Andrew ever tell you that the reason he didn't want the paternity test (one of the reasons) is because he was afraid he would find out he wasn't the father? Let's not forget, Lily, that you got together with Andrew the first time by cheating on Chris Corbin.

Okay, when Dylan was born he was the first person I called as soon as I got to the hospital, he wasn't home. I called him up until I was so out of it that I couldn't even pick up the phone. My mom called him, and left a message on his machine,Josh called him, and when I was in the delivery room Krystal was calling him.We even called him at his mom's house. The next day was when Krystal called your house and found him there.And I might add that when Andrew did go to the hospital he didn't even look at Dylan.
I was planning on getting an abortion, and I actually did find a clinic (Planned Parenthood) that charged $290. I did make an appointment and I told Andrew about it, I even remember the exact day I told him, it was closing night of Black Comedy. We tried to raise the money but the day of my appointment came and we didn't have it, that and Andrew's friend who was supposed to give me a ride never showed, so I missed the appointment. I made a second appointment and Josh was gonna let me borrow some money but he couldn't (that was when I asked Andrew for the money). At about that time I was around 4 months....at this time I realized that I really wanted the baby. A couple of months later Andrew approached me with the idea of adoption, and I did give it some thought, but in the end I didn't feel comfortable with that, and I remember that I told Andrew that I wasn't gonna go with adoption.
I know what I've written to him Zach, I don't need you to remind me. But I said all of that out of anger, in fact when he told me about the camp thing this past August I said worse things to him, but I also apologized to him later and I explained to him that I was very upset about what had happened and that I was sorry for what I had said to him. I've never said I was perfect, I've said a LOT of things that I haven't meant and that I regret. And yeah I do think that he doesn't want to take responsibility for him, how long did it take Andrew to actually see Dylan after he was born? Dylan was almost 4 months old before Andrew finally agreed to see him.
Now about the paternity thing, I see a huge difference between Andrew and the relationships I had before him. I've told him before and I'll say it again, I never once cheated on Andrew. Not once, in any way, shape or form, I will put that on God, because He knows I didn't. And the biggest difference is that I actually loved Andrew, I was never in love with Chris or any other guy before him.
Oh, and from what I heard you and Andrew were going around school denying that Andrew was Dylan's father. I know because Gagik told me about one that Destiny saw a picture of Dylan in Gagik's wallet and she asked who's baby it was and when she asked Andrew about it he said it wasn't his, and supposedly you backed him up, because he didn't want his girlfriend to find out about Dylan. The second reason, is because when I went to parent night I talked to Destiny and the first thing she said to me was "You know he's denying it right?", and she wasn't the only one practically everyone in the class told me that you and Andrew were trying to keep it quiet.

We were trying to keep it quiet, yes. He did not want it known for what I can only assume should be obvious reasons, and I tried keeping it quiet (a) because of my friendship with him and (b) I needed him to keep his image as a responsible member of the class so that he could continue to help me make things run as smoothly as they did. We never publicly declared that he had sired a child, but we did not go out of our way to lie about it.

And as for the other points you madel, oh. I didn't know, now I do. Okay. Moving on.

Bringing this whole thing back to a point, it's not about me or anything I may have to do or say about this, what needs answered now is this: do either of you two have anything left that you would like to discuss? If so, get it out now, because as soon as possible you should bring this to the next step: resolution. To be quite blunt, I want out of this, but I am a part of this story, so the only way I can get out of this is to help bring it to an end. As much as I would like to see this end amicably, if for no other reason than I think that Dylan should grow up without the stigma of "my parents hate each other" on him, I think right now it just needs to be drawn to a point where you two can not be angry and can civilly talk with one another about where to go next. If either of you feel that it is more beneficial to continue this in the thread here, do so, but if you both feel you can take this either on IMs, on the phone, or in person, do so...but let me know so I can lock this thread and have it moved to the archives.

I'm Satisfied. I just wanted the lies to stop, the fact this has moved to Dylan was expected, but besides the point. So go ahead and delete it.

Lily If you really need a baby sitter you can get in touch with me, I'm rerely home, so your probubly going to have to PM me or something, internet wise. I don't harbor any ill will towards you, I never have, and never will. There are parts of our relationship that I look on fondly and those that I don't, which I'm sure is the same for you.

First of all, Lily is a pretty name.

Second - guys - this is a couple of peoples big time pain...maybe they shouldnt be airing it here....but maybe making fun of it isnt a great thing to do.

schmoo.

Alright kids, this is what responsible parents do: reach a mutual agreement through calm discussion. All tension can and will affect baby boy. So Dad, Mom, love your son, and let each other love their son. Please? I'm from an orphanage, I KNOW THE EFFECTS OF THE PROVERBIAL BROKEN HOME.

Originally posted by TheGreatMonkey
I'm Satisfied. I just wanted the lies to stop, the fact this has moved to Dylan was expected, but besides the point. So go ahead and delete it.

Lily If you really need a baby sitter you can get in touch with me, I'm rerely home, so your probubly going to have to PM me or something, internet wise. I don't harbor any ill will towards you, I never have, and never will. There are parts of our relationship that I look on fondly and those that I don't, which I'm sure is the same for you.

You still don't get it, I don't need you for a baby sitter, you need to get yourself together and realize you have to start acting like his father.I understand that it might be hard for you to do that, I know that you're still young, but that's life, it's not always easy so deal with it, the longer you put it off the harder it's gonna be.That's really the only problem I have with you, other than that I don't hate you or anything. I'm just frustrated that you're still trying to avoid this.

*notices that joeynormal had been helping himself to her sushi* "Excuse me, but I didn't say you could have any! I said that ÆSiR could have some!" she spit out indignantly. With a pause she crams a rather large piece of sushi in her mouth. Savoring the flavor a moment, she then looked down at her rather large blue-tan ceramic plate compilled with sushi. "Would you like some JoeyNormal?" she said through a mouthfull of sushi extending the plate in his direction.
"OH...I also brought my thermos full of green tea!"

Um...ABA, I think you've gone a wee bit :topic: here.

TGM & Bunny, if you're done with this, could you both PM or IM me to let me know? I won't lock it until I get both okays, but I'd really like to know if I can.

Originally posted by ActingBugsAttack
*notices that joeynormal had been helping himself to her sushi* "Excuse me, but I didn't say you could have any! I said that ÆSiR could have some!" she spit out indignantly. With a pause she crams a rather large piece of sushi in her mouth. Savoring the flavor a moment, she then looked down at her rather large blue-tan ceramic plate compilled with sushi. "Would you like some JoeyNormal?" she said through a mouthfull of sushi extending the plate in his direction.
"OH...I also brought my thermos full of green tea!"

*Points at empty pile of rice, nori and salmon packets in the corner*

I can make my own sushi, thank you very much :p

But...yes...free food = good :)

Bunny/Lily - I suggest you change your avatar. We have a resident group of Powerpuff Girls...and I don't think they have any free positions.


From my fairly ignorant standpoint, I think you two need to put this behimnd you. It looks to me like the one thing you aren't willing to do is let go of the past. You appear both to want what's best for the kid, and you both appear to be willing to help - but you're both, understandably, suspicious of the other.

LAST POST IN THREAD:

They just needed to get this said. There was a lot of misinformation between them, and me as well, and now that it's been hopefully straightened out to a point where we can all work to put things back together in some way again, I'm lockin' the thread. Feel free to keep coming to my journal tho!