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The Frog
11-19-2002, 03:49 PM
Calif. GOP Turn to Terminator in 2006
Associated Press

LOS ANGELES — He has been a genetically engineered twin and a pregnant man, a barbarian and a spy, a kindergarten cop and a killer. Now some Republicans are casting Arnold Schwarzenegger as the next governor of California.

Fresh from the Election Day success of a $550 million education measure that he sponsored, the actor has become perhaps California's most promising GOP candidate — even though he is not yet running for anything.

"Arnold Schwarzenegger would do a tremendous amount to reinvigorate the party itself and the image of the party to most Californians,'' said Brian Todd of Bakersfield, a delegate to state party conventions.

The body-builder-turned-action-hero deflects questions about his political ambitions, but many Republicans expect — and hope — he will run for governor in four years.

The Austrian-born actor considered seeking the nomination against Democratic Gov. Gray Davis this past year. Supporters launched a "T2 in '02'' movement, and T-shirts with the slogan were snapped up at the party convention in February. But Schwarzenegger decided not to run, citing his contract to film "Terminator 3,'' set for release next summer.

Instead, he drafted, funded and starred in TV commercials for Proposition 49, which dedicates as much as $550 million annually to before- and after-school programs. The measure passed by a wide margin earlier this month.

America's most successful actor-turned-politician, Ronald Reagan, blazed the trail a generation ago. Before becoming governor of California and then president, Reagan made the transition into politics as president of the Screen Actors' Guild and a spokesman for General Electric. Other celebrities who have switched to politics include former Carmel Mayor Clint Eastwood and Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura.

Schwarzenegger's name, wealth and potential to appeal to Democrats and moderates make him an attractive candidate in a state where Democrats outnumber Republicans 45 percent to 35 percent.

"It's pretty clear that right now Schwarzenegger is a strong early front-runner for the nomination,'' said GOP consultant Dan Schnur. "Proposition 49 was the first primary of the 2006 governor's race if Arnold Schwarzenegger wants it to be.''

Schwarzenegger, 55, told The Associated Press: "To me it's a great honor to be considered for those kind of things. I think it's great people say, `He's the ideal candidate' or `He can win.' Obviously, it's much better if people say that than if they say the opposite. But I don't have a plan like that.''

Republican state Sen. Tom McClintock would be viewed as a potential rival in 2006 if he wins the state controller's contest, which two weeks after Election Day remains too close to call. If he loses, Republicans will hold no statewide offices.

If Schwarzenegger runs, he could have the advantage of a Democratic field divided among four or five of the Democrats' statewide officeholders.

Another Democrat mentioned as a contender has been actor-director Rob Reiner of "All in the Family'' fame, raising the prospect of a Terminator vs. Meathead matchup. But Reiner associates say he has no plans to run.

There are obstacles between the Terminator and the Republican nomination. GOP primaries in California tend to favor conservative candidates, and Schwarzenegger describes himself as "very liberal'' on social issues. He favors legalized abortion, some gun control measures and gay adoption. His wife, Kennedy cousin Maria Shriver, is a Democrat.

Republican insiders differ on whether the nomination is his for the taking.

"At this point for the Republican nomination, it would be a coronation,'' said GOP consultant Kevin Spillane, who helped run former Los Angeles Mayor Richard Riordan's losing campaign for governor. Riordan, a GOP moderate, lost the nomination to a conservative, Bill Simon.

"It's not going to be a coronation,'' said veteran GOP strategist Ken Khachigian. But he added: "If he makes the rounds and raises money, participates in the debate, lets us know where he is on issues over the next year and a half, obviously he has a great deal of name ID, and everything being equal, I think people would be interested in his running.''

Schwarzenegger got a taste of the rough and tumble of politics last year, when a Davis strategist responded to his potential candidacy by bombarding newsroom fax machines with tabloid stories of alleged groping and womanizing by the actor.

Schwarzenegger is also responsible for hundreds of on-screen deaths and is shown smoking pot in "Pumping Iron,'' the 1977 documentary about his bodybuilding days.

"None of those things have been an obstacle to me and I don't think any of the things will be an obstacle to me," he said. "I'm extremely proud of my background."

JoeyNormal
11-19-2002, 04:25 PM
Oh God. The sad thing is, Arnie'd pull votes...

The Frog
11-19-2002, 04:27 PM
I'd bet most Dems'd take him over Davis, considering the tax hike he just handed them.

:D

Manu
11-19-2002, 04:30 PM
Ugh.

Another actor in the governors mansion?

You know whats funny...

My state taxes last year were like a few hundred bucks. My federal taxes were THOUSANDS. I don't mind paying 20-25 bucks more for better services from my state.

The Frog
11-19-2002, 04:55 PM
Manu, you haven't SEEN the full extent of the taxes he jsut raised out there yet.

Manu
11-19-2002, 05:01 PM
Is it a 50% increase or something I am missing here?

Kraw
11-19-2002, 07:43 PM
wow, a actor that is a GOP? I thought all the media types were Dems?


anyways, I bet everyone thought the same thing about Regan when he started getting into politics

wait, wasn't Ahnold NOT born here?

86Dude
11-19-2002, 09:01 PM
If he wins then he will have starred with another governor in an action flick. Can you name it ? Pretty damn easy.

Brian
11-19-2002, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by 86Dude
If he wins then he will have starred with another governor in an action flick. Can you name it ? Pretty damn easy.


My guess would be Jesse in Predator and The Running Man.

Snouter
11-19-2002, 10:14 PM
"I don't have time to bleed."

-- Jesse "The Body" Ventura

Monster
11-19-2002, 10:17 PM
I saw a cool Jesse Ventura bumper sticker a couple weeks ago.

It said "Our governor can body slam your governor"

:D

jillianjiggs
11-19-2002, 10:18 PM
Prop 49 gets its funds from future growth or surplus. From what I understand, it isn't raising anything by any amount we should worry about. I whole-heartedly support his cause, as every study out there shows that kids that have things to do after school are less likely to get hurt, get into trouble, or get pregnant. If I didn't favor the democrat candidate next time around, yes, I would vote for arnie even though he's a republican. However, on a side note, I'd like to add that he is not very big anymore. Still toned, but definately not big. I wonder if they're having him wear padding in the next movie. :) (he did some promotional stuff at the mall I work in...)

JoeyNormal
11-20-2002, 01:30 AM
Why would you vote for Arnie? He has no qualifications for the job, no skills, no...

Manu
11-20-2002, 02:04 AM
Joey-

Like half of our politicians...thats the irony. They are self made/self proclaimed experts.

Kraw-

Don't forget the most famous actor in hollywood gone politicians is in the GOP. Ronnie Regan.

Unrepresented
11-20-2002, 02:23 AM
I'll vote for him. Wanna know why?

Strategic planning for 2010.

California's the most populated state in the union, as a result the governor of California if popular has a great chance of running for president.

By allowing Ahnold to hold California governor he blocks any opportunity for a GOP to run for president using the state for momentum.

And considering there's not any obvious Dems on the horizon for following Davis, I think we can be fairly certain Ahnold would be a shoe in with GOP backing.

Seems like a good way to put a glass ceiling on the GOP.

Justin

QtrHrsmn
11-20-2002, 09:22 AM
Not true, Justin... look at Reagan. He came in after Brown Sr., and turned the CA deficit into a surplus, cut taxes, etc... then went on to the presidency.

Arnold could do the same thing, switching a lot of Dems to the GOP. Then, it would be a lot easier for the GOP to succeed in federal races.

RightWingZealot
11-20-2002, 09:30 AM
I dont think Arnold CAN run for president because he was not born on US soil.

Isnt that a requriment for being president?

RightWingZealot
11-20-2002, 09:31 AM
ugh. never mind.. i think i just misunderstood what you were saying.

im gonna go drink something caffinated.

DngrMse
11-20-2002, 09:32 AM
Originally posted by JoeyNormal
Why would you vote for Arnie? He has no qualifications for the job, no skills, no...

Yes....surprisingly like the current resident. I figure Arnold could hardly do worse than Gray (24 billion dollar deficit) Davis. It depends on what he says, and how he runs his (not-yet-announced) campaign.

Jay13
11-20-2002, 09:33 AM
Arnie could never be president... :(

Article two of the constitution:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at
the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office
of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not
have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a
Resident within the United States.


I think he would make a cool governor though.

DngrMse
11-20-2002, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by QtrHrsmn
Not true, Justin... look at Reagan. He came in after Brown Sr., and turned the CA deficit into a surplus, cut taxes, etc... then went on to the presidency.

Arnold could do the same thing, switching a lot of Dems to the GOP. Then, it would be a lot easier for the GOP to succeed in federal races.

Arnold can't be president, on account of his background as a sissy european. He's naturalized.

JoeyNormal
11-20-2002, 01:40 PM
I suppose if all else fails, Arnie could just open fire...

Unrepresented
11-20-2002, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by DngrMse


Arnold can't be president, on account of his background as a sissy european. He's naturalized.

A-yup.

It's a sacrifice. We give away a goverenor for a guarantee that he can't use that power for presidency.

From the sound of it he's fairly moderate anyway.

Justin

Redfield
11-20-2002, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by Snouter
"I don't have time to bleed."

-- Jesse "The Body" Ventura
LOL!

Ahnold! 2006.

I would vote for him over Davis ANY DAY!

Manu
11-20-2002, 04:25 PM
Justins conjecture was NOT that Arnold would run, it was exactly the opposite, a blocking move.

I find it interesting that people are quick to say that Bush's deficit is a result of the turned upside down economy, but then are demonizing Davis for his deficit.

I agree, measures can (and should) be taken to reduce the CA deficiet (which Davis is not taking) but I maintain the same for the US federal deficit.

Cat Patrol
11-20-2002, 09:31 PM
If you want a piece of junk liberal republican, then Arnolds your man.

RightWingZealot
11-20-2002, 10:35 PM
yeah.. arnold is a RINO

The Frog
11-21-2002, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by Manu


I find it interesting that people are quick to say that Bush's deficit is a result of the turned upside down economy, but then are demonizing Davis for his deficit.



That's an easy one to answer. Bush has done a lot to stimulate the economy and has lowered taxes.

Davis has done just the opposite of that.

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