Sherman, the owner of Raise the Fist.com has a courtdate in March 15, 2003. He has some serious charges facing him.

Anyway here is his email address. He gave me permission to post this.

EMAIL ADDRESS EDITED

Bubba, this is Sherman. Sherman, meet Bubba. Have fun, bud.

Good riddance.

Green68Stang, you ever spoken to Sherman? No? So why the **** are you talking? He's a good guy, a little idealistic, maybe, a little fervent maybe, a little paranoid, perhaps, but he's a strongly moral bastard. I've known him for around two years now, and I'd say I'm much better placed to judge his character than you.

Joey, I've followed this drama for the past two years. I've read about his saga, and posted against him on ratm.net, the ebn, and ratm.com. I think he's wrong, and I believe that if he goes to jail, he's getting what he deserves. I don't need to talk on the phone with him, and I don't need you to tell me about his character.

He's a good guy - in your opinion. In my opinion, he's a comfortable, very fervent, very paranoid, upper middle class kid who thinks it's cool to further his agenda with the propagation of violence. Unfortunately for him, he chose to take it a little too far. Pay your money, take your chances.

I don't expect you to understand my point of view. You and I are polar opposites.

That's why the **** I'm talking, Joey. Your definition of "character" probably differs very greatly from mine. Therefore, I give less than a damn about what kind of a character judge you are.

What's your name on the EBN, then?

Anyway, a lot of you guys could have a lot of fun with the Sherminator. He's precisely like some you, only on the complete opposite side of the political spectrum - everyone who's not an anarchist revolutionary is a capitalist pig. Charming guy. Completely senseless.

Tell me who you are, Green. Tell me your screen-name on the EBN. It's not the same as here, I know that.

I also know a lot more about the Bloc than I expect you ever will. And "propagadation of violence" doesn't describe where they came from very well. Look it up; they were first seen in Seattle; the Eugene Brickthrowers Union Chapter 666, the ACME Collective, Zerzan's followers...

And...character. To me, a good man is an honest man, a courageous man, and most importantly a moral man; one who believes in right and wrong and lives his life by that. I might not agree with his moral compass, but at least he must follow it.

You don't know enough to judge. And that's why I hate this ****. People try to judge people they've seen, never met, never spoken to, people they know nothing about. You don't know anything about him. I don't know enough to really judge, I don't know much, but the one thing I know is that damning someone whose eyes you've never seen is a waste of breath.

The is just a bulletin board. That's all you've everr seen. That's all you know about him. And that's not enough to judge.

It looks to me like you're a little too quick to judge.

Originally posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox
What's your name on the EBN, then?

Anyway, a lot of you guys could have a lot of fun with the Sherminator. He's precisely like some you, only on the complete opposite side of the political spectrum - everyone who's not an anarchist revolutionary is a capitalist pig. Charming guy. Completely senseless.

LMAO

Zaphod, I know you and Sherman don't get on, but cut the kid some slack. Whether or not you think it should be, annoying Zaphod Beeblebrox is not a crime that's punishable by jail time...

What's your name on the EBN, then?

And exactly what would that do for you?? I was never a daily poster, and posted very sparingly on the Ebn. I posted more frequently on RATM.net, after RATM.com was closed down, but never in the capacity that you two do. Hell - look at my DA postcount - pretty low, but I've been browsing for over a year.

Suffice it to say - I'm very well aware of what Sherman is all about - I've read his version of the "raid" on his house and think it's bull****, and have been following his little saga.

Hey, you've got my DA screen name - if you want to review my posts to see what kind of person I am, than have at it.

Is it necessary for me to dig up old posts where I poked Antigov for not knowing the difference between an embassy or a consulate?? Need I point to every post that I've made to prove that I know who your boy Anti is?

I think I won't spend the time.

Chill, dude! I was just curious. Nothing more.

I know you and Sherman don't get on, but cut the kid some slack.

Nope. He's annoying little whining brat that doesn't give a sh1t about anything or anyone but himself. I very much resent people like that.

One thing I would like to say, Green, you are entitled to your opinion but I do know the person in question from the old RATM Board. I consider all people I know through the computer to be my friends, yourself included.

If you ever were in serious trouble I would do the same thing for you. The same goes for Joey Normal or anyone else in DA.

Peace

who is this shermanator guy? another mumia?


someone clue me in here



Joey, you meet this person in real life?

Nope, but I've wasted a lot of time with him on IM convos.

I'm not sure if I made it clear above, but I feel that no one online can judge a person's character accurately, and thus it is stupid and judgmental at the least to immediately assume the worst. I know Sherman better, I'd say, than any one else here, but I wouldn't ever claim to entirely know someone I've only encountered online.

Sherman is an LA Anarchist who's looking at some blatantly fraudulent charges.

Basically, Anti/Sherman hosted the "Reclaim Guide" on his website. This was a Black Bloc guide to protests; as such, it contained information on there...unique...style of non-violence (Basically, the Bloc says it's not violent if you attack property, not people, and it's not violence if they hit you and you then throw a molotov cocktail at them...it's self-defense taken to the extreme, not violence. I can see their point, and I also know that they've become an unfairly targeted and harassed group, but still...). In this guide there was some basic explosives information. The FBI lept on this, busted Sherman, raided his house, and is now trying to charge him for being a terrorist bomb-maker and all round evil anti-American. Evidence against him includes the possession of fertiliser, glass bottles of a "petroeum-based substance" (any hydrocarbon can be termed to be petroleum based. This includes alcohols, soaps, fats, esters, oils...), a gas-tank of another mysterious "petroeum-based substance" (natural gas is...petroleum based. Apparently, in the US, having barbeques is illegal terrorism....).

Zaphod hates him and vice versa; that's a purely personnal matter however, and I think Zaphod will have the grace to admit that.

I have no idea how Green knows Sherman, and he refuses to post his EBN/RATM.com name, which leads me to be a little susoicious of him.

No, not really personal. I resent the way how he, like some of the extreme right people here, dismisses anything that reaks of criticism. He's right, and anyone who disagrees is by definition wrong.

He's notorious in refusing to have a discussion about his ideas - there's a thread on the EBN where he said he'd keep it alive to dismiss my false claims, and that was a week ago. In the mean time he's been posting all kinds of other ****, but he makes sure to stay away from real duscussions. As allways.

I think he has an attention deficit, being the fierce revolutionary defines him as something. Without that he'd just be a kid on the block, and his bloated ego couldn't live with that.

So, basically, you hate him?

Zaphod, I've said this before; the bad feeling between you and Anti is quite insane and quite inane (on both sides). UYou're both cool people, but you seem to each have an entirely irrational hatred for the other...

Originally posted by JoeyNormal
a little paranoid

i deffinately thought he was paranoid but he was cool nonetheless

Originally posted by JoeyNormal
And "propagadation of violence" doesn't describe where they came from very well. Look it up; they were first seen in Seattle; the Eugene Brickthrowers Union Chapter 666, the ACME Collective, Zerzan's followers...
Ummm... just going by the "club" names, I'd say they DO advocate violence. Also, If I hit you with my hand, and you retaliate with a molotov cocktail, that's murder. Getting hit by a hand doesn't place your life in "imminent" danger. Throwing a molotov cocktail does. I should hope, that when these dumb@$$es DO run into trouble, that they receive a just sentence. i.e. death penalty, preferably by same method used to kill their victim. Also, if I caught one destroying MY property, I think it goes without saying...

the bad feeling between you and Anti is quite insane and quite inane (on both sides).

Well, if you like me to exchange ideas about that, please let me know. My thoughts on him are quite rational, and not emotional, like you suggest.

I don't get it.. why is it not ok for Zaphod to have his OWN opinion about this guy. How do any of YOU know that YOU are right about this guy and not Zaphod?

:confused:


this guy could be a master manipulator and no one realize it

Because as a fellow leftist I should support other leftists or something.

I banned Sherman once from the EBN, and everyone (less than 10 of his fervent supporters) made a huge deal about it, and claimed I did it for personal reasons. Joey was one of them, and he obviously still believes so.

Luckily, apart from that, Joey and I get along fine now.