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freedom
07-31-2001, 11:56 AM
Cracking The NASCAR Color Line
By Elaine Hegwood Bowen

Gentlemen, start your engines! The adrenaline is pumping and the crowd is in awe. Cars are traveling at speeds of up to 180 mph. And these aren't just any cars; they are sleek, shiny, PHAT high performance racing cars.

But there aren't many African Americans in the crowd. And even fewer African Americans behind the wheels of the fancy racing machines that are featured in NASCAR (National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing) events.

Where are the black fans, and why doesn't the sport attract those brothers who talk about their cars as if they were women? Will auto racing go the way of golf and tennis, two previously overwhelmingly white sports that have recently been dominated by black superstars, attracting waves of new black fans?

"There aren't many blacks" in NASCAR, admits 34-year-old Monroe Simmons. The Mt. Vernon, New York, resident is a NASCAR crewmember helping a friend who's racing his Formula 4 car in a New Hampshire event. "I've worked on a pit crew and whites looked at us like, 'Damn, now they are trying to take over this, too.'" While his primary duties included changing tires, filling the gas tank, tightening bolts and performing general pre-race maintenance, Simmons says he's also there to provide his friend with moral support.

That kind of community may be necessary to overcome the perception that auto racing is not only a white sport, but a white Southern one as well. Some African Americans think that auto racing is for "hillbillies" or white "trailer trash" — a segment of the white population from which many blacks habitually steer clear. Says Angela Walker, a 34-year-old from Virginia, when asked whether she has ever attended a race: "Every time I hear about the NASCAR, I think of backwoods people, and my coworker who liked it, and that's what they make me thing of."

This perception isn't ungrounded in reality. There have been sightings of Confederate flags hanging off of trucks parked at racing events. But some are trying to combat these negative perceptions.

"It has historically been known as a Southeastern sport," says David Pepper, head of marketing and public relations for Bobby Hamilton Racing in Nashville, Tennessee. "From 1948 to 1968, all the races were conducted in that region, but now we have tracks all around the country."

And as the venues become bigger and better, Pepper says, the fan base is also growing and becoming more diverse. "I don't know why there are fewer African Americans in attendance; maybe it hasn't caught on yet, but it's changing as word gets around," he says. "American people are seeing that we [in NASCAR racing] represent everything that's good about America, and we don't keep anyone out."

Historically, African Americans have participated in the sport. During the 1930s and 1940s, black racecar drivers hosted an annual event in Indiana, and names like Bill "Bullet" Scott, Red Oliver, Wendell Scott, Malcolm Durham and, more recently, 42-year-old Willie T. Ribbs will go down in the annals as black auto racing greats who managed to attract black fans.

Ribbs began his racing career more than 20 years ago, but it wasn't until 1991 that he became the first African American to race in the Indy 500. He's also the only African American driver competing full-time in NASCAR's top races, participating under the auspices of the Dodge Diversity Program, which has placed him and Latino driver Carlos Contreras in the Craftsman Truck Series.

"Dodge is on the cutting edge, doing their part to give people opportunities," says Pepper, whose group has Ribbs on a one-year contract. The driver will compete in about 23 races during the 2001 season, which runs from February to November.

Often touted as the fastest-growing sport in America today, auto racing generates millions of dollars in advertisement revenues, and experts believe that auto racing has the potential to encompass all segments of society. "There's a tremendous opportunity for the African American community to become involved in NASCAR," says Bill Doyle, Vice President of Performance Research, a Rhode Island-based company that analyses sporting events for potential sponsors.

Doyle addressed the "real" numbers that attend NASCAR events. "A study in 1999 revealed that one percent of fans is African American, but this doesn't take into account those television viewers," he says. "So, if there are 25 million NASCAR fans nationwide, then only about a quarter million would be African American — truly an opportunity for growth potential."

For the moment, though, most African Americans regard auto racing as a curiosity, an all-white endeavor that courts danger without exhibiting any obvious sense of style. The death this spring of Dale Earnhardt, the sport's premier superstar, prompted a wave of public mourning that had many blacks scratching their heads.

Beyond the lily-white atmosphere that surrounds it, the sport battles a misperception that it isn't truly a sport, demanding physical excellence in the same way as football or basketball, says Pepper. But, he says, it delivers the same jolt of excitement. "I challenge new fans to first watch a race on television and then come out to the track, and if you can say that 40 pristine, beautiful cars racing at 170-180 mph, three inches apart is not exciting, then this sport is not for you."

According to Performance Research, 81 percent of NASCAR fans own their own homes, 50 percent have attended college, 75 percent are married and about 50 percent have incomes of $50K or more. And, of course, 66 percent of fans are male.

The top purses during the 2000 racing season were $1 million for the Craftsman Series, $2 million for the Busch races and $4 million for the Winston Cup races; when adding product endorsements, the potential income from racing becomes even more impressive.

Will African American athletes ever compete for these riches? Simmons is pessimistic. "Brothers will never be welcomed to the NASCAR circuit; that's for those 'Jim-Bob' rednecks," he says.

Pepper disagrees, challenging African Americans to come to the sport first as fans. "If anyone in the country, regardless of background or ethnicity, would like to be entertained for two to four hours," they should come to a race, he says. "It's the family sport for the common man."

First published: July 31, 2001




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Fordman50
07-31-2001, 02:45 PM
I have met a LOT of black NASCAR fans who in the country. Whenever I go the the VMS drag strip about 1/3 of the folks out there are black and a lot of them where NASCAR stuff too.

When Earnheart died they even interviewed a black man on the local news who was at the memorial they has here in Richmond. He was crying about the death of Earnheart on TV.

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freedom
07-31-2001, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by Fordman50:
I have met a LOT of black NASCAR fans who in the country. Whenever I go the the VMS drag strip about 1/3 of the folks out there are black and a lot of them where NASCAR stuff too.

When Earnheart died they even interviewed a black man on the local news who was at the memorial they has here in Richmond. He was crying about the death of Earnheart on TV.



Well we know that there are plenty of black car enthusiast, especially drag racing. Black motorcyclye clubs are off the hook these days. I think the article was getting at blacks actually coming to the races(NASCAR)in significant numbers like they do other sporting events like basketball, football, baseball, or boxing.



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"Discrimination is a hellhound that gnaws at Negroes in every waking moment of their lives to remind them that the lie of their inferiority is accepted as truth in the society dominating them"
Martin Luther King Jr.
"You cannot separate peace from freedom, because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom" -Malcom X

slayr420
07-31-2001, 08:39 PM
No offense, but don't they have better things to do than watch a car go around a 1/2 mi track 500 times?

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freedom
08-01-2001, 09:52 AM
Originally posted by slayr420:
No offense, but don't they have better things to do than watch a car go around a 1/2 mi track 500 times?

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I know what you mean the "left turn circuit".
People do love it and it is big money and everybody likes money.


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"Discrimination is a hellhound that gnaws at Negroes in every waking moment of their lives to remind them that the lie of their inferiority is accepted as truth in the society dominating them"
Martin Luther King Jr.
"You cannot separate peace from freedom, because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom" -Malcom X

D Durden
08-08-2001, 04:40 PM
It's simple: get a car, get it qualified, and get on the track! If you can run, run. If you can win, WIN! If you can't do either, well, it's not a color thing . . . it's a speed thing. Instead of writing an article making snide remarks about guys from the South, how about hopping out on the track, instead? Like my old Judo instructor used to say: "yadda, yadda, yadda . . . let's get out on the mat."

If NASCAR says "sorry, no brothers allowed", then sue the piss out of them. I'd stand behind ANY team wanting to run as long as they were on the up and up. Oh, just don't ask for tax relief for minority racing teams! LOL!

Actually, I'm an old Willie T fan . . . I used to cheer for him and Pruett (and St. James, for that matter) when they raced SCCA Mustangs. Honestly, I had a secret love for the Audi team, though. Hurly Haywood and some crazy German guy was driving for them. They couldn't be beat.

freedom
08-09-2001, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by D Durden:
It's simple: get a car, get it qualified, and get on the track! If you can run, run. If you can win, WIN! If you can't do either, well, it's not a color thing . . . it's a speed thing. Instead of writing an article making snide remarks about guys from the South, how about hopping out on the track, instead? Like my old Judo instructor used to say: "yadda, yadda, yadda . . . let's get out on the mat."

If NASCAR says "sorry, no brothers allowed", then sue the piss out of them. I'd stand behind ANY team wanting to run as long as they were on the up and up. Oh, just don't ask for tax relief for minority racing teams! LOL!

Actually, I'm an old Willie T fan . . . I used to cheer for him and Pruett (and St. James, for that matter) when they raced SCCA Mustangs. Honestly, I had a secret love for the Audi team, though. Hurly Haywood and some crazy German guy was driving for them. They couldn't be beat.


What the hell are you talking about? You totally missed the spirit of the article. It was merely an examination of black interest in Americas fastest growing sport. You are so quick to defend the south and anything white with your special glasses. It is a color thing! Nothing wrong with that, NASCAR fans are majority white so are the drivers. So what? The author was just examining why/when would others start to embrace the sport, thats all. I didn't see anything snide.


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"Discrimination is a hellhound that gnaws at Negroes in every waking moment of their lives to remind them that the lie of their inferiority is accepted as truth in the society dominating them"
Martin Luther King Jr.
"You cannot separate peace from freedom, because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom" -Malcom X

D Durden
08-09-2001, 12:59 PM
That kind of community may be necessary to overcome the perception that auto racing is not only a white sport, but a white Southern one as well. Some African Americans think that auto racing is for "hillbillies" or white "trailer trash" — a segment of the white population from which many blacks habitually steer clear. Says Angela Walker, a 34-year-old from Virginia, when asked whether she has ever attended a race: "Every time I hear about the NASCAR, I think of backwoods people, and my coworker who liked it, and that's what they make me thing of."

This perception isn't ungrounded in reality. There have been sightings of Confederate flags hanging off of trucks parked at racing events. But some are trying to combat these negative perceptions.


Beyond the lily-white atmosphere that surrounds it,

an all-white endeavor that courts danger without exhibiting any obvious sense of style.

"Brothers will never be welcomed to the NASCAR circuit; that's for those 'Jim-Bob' rednecks," he says.


That kind of statement. I see glints of positive things, but there are all the references to rednecks and stereotyping Southern people which, of course, isn't necessarily wrong according to the article.

A Confederate flag and overalls don't make anyone less of a person. It doesn't make them less intelligent nor less respectable. All it does is make them MUCH easier to pre-judge with stereotypes . . . kinda' like black skin.

The article seems to be about market possibilities for NASCAR in the black community. Well . . . GREAT . . . so why all the slams to white Southern people?

freedom
08-10-2001, 09:56 AM
You are quite ridiculous. Those are quotes from one person and they do have merit. Does the truth hurt? I don't know why it should. A NASCAR race might have 100k people. You KNOW a lot of them necks. Black people don't typically want to be around necks, believe it or not they scare them. Truth like it or not. The author used the quotes to give an accurate idea of what some blacks felt about the sport. Still in all it was an examination of when/if blacks would ever embrace the sport. "But some are trying to combat these negative perceptions." I guess it would have served her well if she had provide some evindence of this.


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"Discrimination is a hellhound that gnaws at Negroes in every waking moment of their lives to remind them that the lie of their inferiority is accepted as truth in the society dominating them"
Martin Luther King Jr.
"You cannot separate peace from freedom, because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom" -Malcom X

D Durden
08-10-2001, 10:47 AM
Hmmmmm . . . interesting. So, it's okay to sterotype white people as "necks" (nice word . . . first time I've heard it) and use racial slurs because they have a Confederate flag on their shirt or because they're a little country, but we (as white people) should be criticized for speaking out against it. You TRULY have an interesting perspective on things. Hmmmm, and if you haven't noticed, I don't think I've used ONE racial slur, but you seem to embrace them . . . as long as it's anti-white, of course. Tell me Freedom, who's the racist here?

Honestly, I'm not really much of a NASCAR fan, but, if the sport is all about keeping people like YOU out (I'm speaking of your attitude, and not your color), then I may have to look into it. Heh, I can see why it's being so successful ACROSS the country and not just here amongst the great un-washed "necks" here in the South. Maybe we're not a country of racists as much as we are "attitudists".

freedom
08-10-2001, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by D Durden:
Hmmmmm . . . interesting. So, it's okay to sterotype white people as "necks" (nice word . . . first time I've heard it) and use racial slurs because they have a Confederate flag on their shirt or because they're a little country, but we (as white people) should be criticized for speaking out against it. You TRULY have an interesting perspective on things. Hmmmm, and if you haven't noticed, I don't think I've used ONE racial slur, but you seem to embrace them . . . as long as it's anti-white, of course. Tell me Freedom, who's the racist here?

Honestly, I'm not really much of a NASCAR fan, but, if the sport is all about keeping people like YOU out (I'm speaking of your attitude, and not your color), then I may have to look into it. Heh, I can see why it's being so successful ACROSS the country and not just here amongst the great un-washed "necks" here in the South. Maybe we're not a country of racists as much as we are "attitudists".

You just hear what you want to hear. I grew up around rednecks and they were proud of it. Some of the best damn people I've ever met. Of course we didn't agree on a lot of things and they didn't really see me as being black but just being me. Some of them would turn on me when they got drunk and call me ****** others would cry to me like a baby for being wrong about blacks. I never called anyone here a racist and you know it. As far as "necks" refering to Red Necks I didn't mean it deragatory. It is what it is. If one confederate lovin, C&W listening, pick-up drivin, Rebel yellin', person took offense then I apologize. See I don't have a problem with "necks" just because they are "necks" I know some of them are good -ss people now the ones that hate *****s, that's another story. Revalation DD there are white people out here that drag black people from the back of their pick up trucks that hate black people.

I don't think the article ever said anything about NASCAR trying to keep blacks out. I didn't get that. Again, just an examination of where/when would black people if ever embrace one of the most popular and money making sports in America. This time it is you that are carring some kind of torch and for what I don't know. I see you have gotten a stronger prescription for your special glasses.LOL



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"Discrimination is a hellhound that gnaws at Negroes in every waking moment of their lives to remind them that the lie of their inferiority is accepted as truth in the society dominating them"
Martin Luther King Jr.
"You cannot separate peace from freedom, because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom" -Malcom X

D Durden
08-10-2001, 05:22 PM
Freedom, you're right. I probably am over-sensitive to the whole subject. Everytime I see a post by you, I get pretty fired up and ready to fight the next debate. I'm ALWAYS ready for an article that is, to some varying degree, a sleight to white people, so, yeah, I look for it.

The odd thing is, though . . . you NEVER seem to let me down!

Oh, here's another revelation. If that would have been a black man killing a white man, eh, it would have been just another crime that would have made it to the 6:00 local news. Call it a "hate crime", and suddenly the world ends. That person's life is no more OR LESS important than the little white girl that was killed by a black woman in Jackson a few days ago. Both are dead regardless of the reason. One act of utter ignorance shouldn't taint EITHER race as a whole.

freedom
08-14-2001, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by D Durden:
Freedom, you're right. I probably am over-sensitive to the whole subject. Everytime I see a post by you, I get pretty fired up and ready to fight the next debate. I'm ALWAYS ready for an article that is, to some varying degree, a sleight to white people, so, yeah, I look for it.

The odd thing is, though . . . you NEVER seem to let me down!

Oh, here's another revelation. If that would have been a black man killing a white man, eh, it would have been just another crime that would have made it to the 6:00 local news. Call it a "hate crime", and suddenly the world ends. That person's life is no more OR LESS important than the little white girl that was killed by a black woman in Jackson a few days ago. Both are dead regardless of the reason. One act of utter ignorance shouldn't taint EITHER race as a whole.
I'm not going to get back into the whole hate crime debat. I am interested though as to whether or not the black woman that killed the little girl was an admitted racist like the driver of the truck. I know dead is dead and I agree but was the woman just whacko? The driver of the truck admitted that he hates black people there has got to be some diffference, don't ya think?



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"Discrimination is a hellhound that gnaws at Negroes in every waking moment of their lives to remind them that the lie of their inferiority is accepted as truth in the society dominating them"
Martin Luther King Jr.
"You cannot separate peace from freedom, because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom" -Malcom X

D Durden
08-15-2001, 06:58 PM
Nope . . . dead is dead. Murder is murder. Fry them both.

Freedom, I'm not FOR being easier on a white person than a black person. I want equal punishment. I am AGAINST making it government policy that says one race is somehow more "sacred" than another i.e. it's somehow LEGALLY worse to kill a black person than a white.

I don't give a DAMN that the guy hates black people. He killed a PERSON in a heinous way. PUNISH HIM!!!

Level the playing field . . . punish them ALL. But DON'T make laws saying that a black person's life is somehow more valuable than a white person's. And, before you quote history, I don't give a DAMN about Jim Crowe, lynching, or whatever. I'm talking NOW. Making a law that makes your life more valuable doesn't somehow appease dead people or punish past crimes.

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freedom
08-16-2001, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by D Durden:
Nope . . . dead is dead. Murder is murder. Fry them both.

Freedom, I'm not FOR being easier on a white person than a black person. I want equal punishment. I am AGAINST making it government policy that says one race is somehow more "sacred" than another i.e. it's somehow LEGALLY worse to kill a black person than a white.

I don't give a DAMN that the guy hates black people. He killed a PERSON in a heinous way. PUNISH HIM!!!

Level the playing field . . . punish them ALL. But DON'T make laws saying that a black person's life is somehow more valuable than a white person's. And, before you quote history, I don't give a DAMN about Jim Crowe, lynching, or whatever. I'm talking NOW. Making a law that makes your life more valuable doesn't somehow appease dead people or punish past crimes.


I think that the only reason that this whole hate crime thing came about is because the criminal justice system has historically placed more value on white life. I agree a 100% that they just need to enforce laws equally. That has not been the case and is still not the case. I don't know if hate crime legislation really accomplishes what it is set out to do. I am not a real supporter of it but I understand why it seemed neccessary. The way you think about it is logical but the criminal justice system is not operating that way so where does it leave us.



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"Discrimination is a hellhound that gnaws at Negroes in every waking moment of their lives to remind them that the lie of their inferiority is accepted as truth in the society dominating them"
Martin Luther King Jr.
"You cannot separate peace from freedom, because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom" -Malcom X

D Durden
08-17-2001, 01:21 AM
No argument there. It's NOT fairly applied, but I think that could go on levels other than (and as well as) race.

The problem (to me) is that sentences really can't be applied uniformally. I mean, okay, murder IS murder, but you still have to have peers judge proper sentence.

I'll go ahead and acknowledge that prejudice for or against anyone based on color has happened, is happening, and WILL keep happening. No way around it. But, making a law that ENFORCES one group of people being viewed by the law as superior (more valuable, anyway) is the WRONG approach.

It's a touchy subject. I mean, I think that, if you studied the statistics, REGARDLESS OF REASON, more blacks are going to be convicted of murders relating to theft or some other illegal activity. It's hard to win either sympathy or community outrage about such an event. Whites, on the other hand, seem to kill either for revenge or just downright crazy.

It's like this: three stereotypes are 1) just an "n-" killing another "n-" in a drive-by: 15 years, 2) A white mom kills the man who rapes her daughter . . . guilty . . . 3 years, and 3) White man goes nuts and kills family with plastic spork and wooden ruler . . . nutzo . . . guilty . . . fry him.

I don't think we can have a blanket punishment for murder. They're not all the same. However, I DO think that race SHOULDN'T have anything to do with the sentencing.

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Go ahead and call Cosmo "Chief" and Bill is "Fearless Leader" . . . I'm HAPPILY "Minister of Spanking"!!

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Snouter
08-28-2001, 02:23 AM
I thought the use of the word "cracking" in the title of the article set the tone for trouble. I agree with Durden the article builds a racist scenario in which the author has sophisticated blacks frowning upon foolish whites and one of their bizarre past times.

The fact is many people black and white find watching the damn cars going in circles for hours to be extremely boring. I know I do. Only thing worse is motorcycle racing. Except that is kind of cool when they fall off the bikes into the hay bails and the walk away like it was nothing. http://discussanything.com/Ubb/wink.gif

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