Which is the worse crime? A man who kills his wife so that he can collect life insurance money, or the man who goes out and kills just to try and pull off the perfect crime. What is more disgusting, the man who values money more than life, or just simply doesn't value life at all?

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hum, thats a hard one. There are those who kill because of what they believe, or because they are insane, or because they hate so much, etc.

But what is worse, the act, or why they did it? I dont really care why people do things. It is the act that we really care about. The worse acts are the ones in massive scale, like a war or genocide. But on a one-to-one scale, I guess it would depend on your beliefs. It would either be killing, or making their life a living hell.

Hmm, im not sure if you can really quanitfy either one of those with one being worse.

The problem is that both show someone who is clearly not thinking in their right mind...

If I HAD to pick one, I would say the man that kills for money...

Not only does he not value life (like the other man) but he lets the though of money affect his morality.

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but then think about this-
would you think it was worse if the guy killed someone for $10, or $10 million?

I don't think i'd see either as worse really...

The value of money loses all meaning compared to life...

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So then wouldn't you think that killing for the sake of killing is a worse crime, G-kow?

Originally posted by IDigFatChicks:
So then wouldn't you think that killing for the sake of killing is a worse crime, G-kow?

I'm not sure, but I think manu is saying that it is the action, not the motive, that is important to him. Whether its for money or for hate, murder is murder, and neither motive is "worse" than the other.

Nate

Interesting. So if you took that stance, you would have to be against any hate crime legislation, huh? If you take the motive out of all crimes, it would certainly democratize the justice system, but make it fairer? Of course you're not talking about accidental death, but I still feel uncomfortable taking motive out of a crime.

Well, motive in a cirme often elads to decisions based upon emotion...

And yes, I am against most hate crime legislation.

If a dude kills someone I care about because he wants his wallet, or cause of the color of his skin, my feelings/emotion on the matter is the same.

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Hmmm . . . it's a personal judgement, but I'd say the crime of indifference (what the hell) as opposed to money. I find indifference far worse than hatred.

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Ahh, Durden hit it on the head. I mean, I flip flop a lot on my opinion when it comes to this question, but what he said is how I think. A crime of indifference is just a shame. Like, if you took your car in for some work at the shop, and they just didn't even bother to, say, change your timing belt, as compared to just putting a crappy one on, I hate that. Indifference to anything.

Sorry, my analogy makes no sense. I'll shut up now.

The fat chicks are cutting off the circulation alright . . . but we get your point! http://discussanything.com/Ubb/wink.gif

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"I AM the lyrical Jesse James."

I DIG FAT CHICKS!!!!!!! Cuz you know, fat girls realize that they gotta perform in bed or else nobody would ever look at them twice. It's like the ugly dancer at the strip club. She knows she's gotta be freaky, or else nobody wants a dance, right? =) And what's wrong with a little extra cushioning? Eh?

the bigger the cushion, the better the pushing...

. . . or so I have read . . .

My baby fits me like a . . . flesh tuxedo . . .

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Originally posted by IDigFatChicks:
Which is the worse crime? A man who kills his wife so that he can collect life insurance money, or the man who goes out and kills just to try and pull off the perfect crime. What is more disgusting, the man who values money more than life, or just simply doesn't value life at all?
I think any crime is bad if it involves money. If its a thrill killing then the criminal is usually sick and therefore should be pitied. When profit is the motive then it is more evil becaues greed is the motive. Thats just my opinion.



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If thinking for myself is a crime I plead guilty.

So, you'd consider greed more evil than hatred? What if I just hated you . . . like a race slaying? I wouldn't really be "sick". I'd just hate you.

Oh, and I'm not arguing against you . . . just challenging the point (heck, I agree to a degree).

What you have to seperate out is the evilness of the crime and the evilness of the motivation. Now THAT'S where you can find evil.

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Originally posted by Criminal:
Originally posted by IDigFatChicks:
Which is the worse crime? A man who kills his wife so that he can collect life insurance money, or the man who goes out and kills just to try and pull off the perfect crime. What is more disgusting, the man who values money more than life, or just simply doesn't value life at all?
I think any crime is bad if it involves money. If its a thrill killing then the criminal is usually sick and therefore should be pitied. When profit is the motive then it is more evil becaues greed is the motive. Thats just my opinion.



Wow, an interesting way of looking at it. I agree with your statement, mostly. But do you think we should pity people who are that twisted in the head? I mean, I understand that they have problems, but isn't that a pretty big problem? And Durden, you're right with the hate crime thing. But that throws a very challenging curveball into the equation.

What you have to ask yourself is this:

What is more "evil" . . . hatred or indifference?

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Fat girls are built for comfort, not for speed.

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If anarchists could ever organize, the'd be dangerous. Cosmo

If you think sex is a pain in the ass,..... you've been doing it wrong!

A crime of indifference is worse - to kill someone for the thrill, when the only gain that is received is a short lived thrill until the urge to get a "hit" occurs again and another person dies.

Thats how we get Serial Killers....

Rayne (A sicko Serial Killer mini-expert.)

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Augh D!
Where's the romance in that?

Hmmmm . . . the warm, snuggily personal time when you're up in that tree for hours . . . the anticipation of her coming home and you greeting her . . . the intimacy of watching her undress (in the window) . . . the building up of passion as you carress the stock and line up the scope . . . and then, the exciting climax when you hear BOOOOOOOOOOM! Pretty damned romantic to me . . . a romantic night with me, my ex, and my Heckler and Koch . . . LMAO!!!

Then, you have to run like hell, toss down her boyfriend's wallet (that you stole earlier), and hope you can find the spent shell casing before Hillie shows up . . . http://discussanything.com/Ubb/biggrin.gif

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Originally posted by D Durden:
So, you'd consider greed more evil than hatred? What if I just hated you . . . like a race slaying? I wouldn't really be "sick". I'd just hate you.

Oh, and I'm not arguing against you . . . just challenging the point (heck, I agree to a degree).

What you have to seperate out is the evilness of the crime and the evilness of the motivation. Now THAT'S where you can find evil.


Considering that you don't know me I think it would be rather odd that you would hate me, speaking hypothetically of course. I think that anyone who hates another person without knowing that person has got issues. I also think that people who kill for the fun of killing, like the son of sam guy, are really messed up. I do think that there is no excuse for anyone to kill another person but I think there are degrees of evil. I think there are three types of murders, other than self defense or revenge 1) for profit or personal gain, 2) for idology or beliefs in a higher good, 3) for the trill of killing. While I do not think any of these crimes are justified, I think the worst type of criminal is one who knows good from evil and chooses evil for thier own selfish motives.

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If thinking for myself is a crime I plead guilty.

Originally posted by Cosmo:
Fat girls are built for comfort, not for speed.



I don't buy that. A fat girl can make me run PRETTY fast . . . http://discussanything.com/Ubb/wink.gif

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Minister of Spanking

"I AM the lyrical Jesse James."

I actually think that the husband who kills his wife for money is worse because a bigger betrayal is involved. He's supposed to love and honor her -- and protect her from pyscho killers. If you can't even trust the person you marry not to murder you...who can you trust?

LOL! Why kill her for money? Crap, there are SO many other reasons MUCH more fulfilling.

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Minister of Spanking

"I AM the lyrical Jesse James."

Ah, but "knowing" someone is relative. A racist "knows" every person that he hates because they're ALL like "that".

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Minister of Spanking

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I say sexual abuse of a child. It's the one crime that guarantees my killing the bastage before a jury trial. The others, I believe I could wait until the jury came back with a guilty verdict.