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Snouter
10-26-2002, 09:35 PM
http://www.orbsbybeans.com/photogallery.html

http://southjerseyghostresearch.org/cases/roc1-dj930b.JPG

http://theshadowlands.net/ghost/orbs.htm

Snouter
10-26-2002, 09:46 PM
Some ecto mist at a graveyard.

http://deecken.com/spirits/sample10.jpg

An orb and ecto mist.

http://deecken.com/spirits/sample7.jpg

RightWingZealot
10-26-2002, 10:16 PM
look like water spots on the lense to me

clean that thing boy!

Dilbert
10-26-2002, 10:23 PM
Numbers 2 and 3, I could cook up in Photoshop faster than you could say "Well, the first one isn't focused very well, plus it's at night so the aperture has to be very wide. Definitely dust or rain or something like that."

Snouter
10-26-2002, 10:32 PM
The dude said this mist was not visible with the naked eye.

Monster
10-27-2002, 12:20 AM
It looks like the person holding the camera was smoking a cigar(ette) and just blew smoke in front of the lens, then took a picture.

Redfield
10-27-2002, 02:37 AM
1 & 3 look like dust or water speckles. The others look like smoke.

The last one; the guy's looking at the smoke.

I've never seen a pic of an orb that could be proven.
That doesn't mean they are fake, just questionable.

Manu
10-27-2002, 04:50 AM
Jim-

Thats so crazy you posted that tonight. I was talking with CA last night about going into the BIG cemetary near UCLA at night and taking some pictures to look at em and see if we 'find anything.'

And last night I was talking with a photographer friend and she was telling me how the ONLY time her pictures do not come out/get processed properly are when she takes pictures in graveyards...

Don't you have some pictures your brother took of a similar thing?

I have a picture, just taken in my house, of a friend, and there is 'mist' all aorund him, but none of the other pics on the roll were effected...

Corporate Avenger
10-27-2002, 06:38 AM
Originally posted by Manu
Jim-

Thats so crazy you posted that tonight. I was talking with CA last night about going into the BIG cemetary near UCLA at night and taking some pictures to look at em and see if we 'find anything.'

And last night I was talking with a photographer friend and she was telling me how the ONLY time her pictures do not come out/get processed properly are when she takes pictures in graveyards...

Don't you have some pictures your brother took of a similar thing?

I have a picture, just taken in my house, of a friend, and there is 'mist' all aorund him, but none of the other pics on the roll were effected...


That's right.. How weird...

Corporate Avenger
10-27-2002, 06:50 AM
I pretty much think Orbs are just dust particles, but I'm not sure. The cemetary ones sure are interesting though, that's why I want to try it for myself.

http://www.artbell.com/images/orbs042.jpg

http://www.artbell.com/images/orbs027.jpg

http://www.artbell.com/images/orbs022.jpg

http://www.artbell.com/images/js-Morezoomers.jpg


Boo!
http://www.artbell.com/images/sa-ghost.jpg

http://www.artbell.com/images/cd-ghost1.jpg

Snouter
10-27-2002, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by Manu
Jim-

Thats so crazy you posted that tonight. I was talking with CA last night about going into the BIG cemetary near UCLA at night and taking some pictures to look at em and see if we 'find anything.'

Universal mind in action. ;)

Don't you have some pictures your brother took of a similar thing?

Actually pics 2, 3, and 4 above are take with my brothers digital camera and are not retouched expect he might adjusted the brightness. Nobody was smoking, but it may be some other mist from the breath that isn't visible under normal conditions with the naked eye.

I have a picture, just taken in my house, of a friend, and there is 'mist' all aorund him, but none of the other pics on the roll were effected...

Interesting.

Originally posted by Corporate Avenger
I pretty much think Orbs are just dust particles...

I agree they seem to be out of focus "dust" close to the lense when lense is focused on more distant subjects. But they do vary in the number of their appearances.

jillianjiggs
10-27-2002, 10:46 AM
I've got an interesting one to post...I keep my camera meticulously clean, so I'm 99% positive that it is not dust on the lens. On another occasion, my cousin took a picture of me with a quality digital camera. When when he sent me the pictures, I had a pink diamond sitting on my shoulder. I wish I still had that picture, because it almost made me poo my pants. He thinks it's my guardian angel.

Monster
10-27-2002, 03:31 PM
I don't buy the cemetery pics. Restless spirits, whatever term you want to give them, will not usually "haunt" the place where they are buried. More likely they will remain either (a) at a place of great emotional attachment or (b) at the location of a trauma.


On a similar but unrelated note, I faded out of a picture once. No joke, and it still gives me the creeps to think about it. I was in 1st grade and at my friend Zak's birthday party. His mother got a group shot of all the kids there, and when the picture was developed there was a gap where I was standing, but nowhere was I to be seen. http://216.40.249.192/mysmilies/otn/shocked/icon20.gif

How's that for creepy?

jillianjiggs
10-27-2002, 03:35 PM
Like I said before I am very anal about this camera and know it was clean...

jillianjiggs
10-27-2002, 03:38 PM
This picture was taken immediately before the first picture I posted, with only enough time for me to zoom out and focus in between. The lens is clean... I'll be taking some at the Winchester house this week, so we'll see how that comes out.

Monster
10-27-2002, 03:46 PM
I see a few blue dots in the first one that were caused by the sunlight, but what're we supposed to see in the second one?

Snouter
10-27-2002, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by Stage Monster
I don't buy the cemetery pics.

I know for certain that the graveyard pics are real pictures. They were taken at an old graveyard in Easton, CT famous for anomalies by one of my brothers and some of his friends. The police are occasionally on patrol around there to chase people away, especially on Halloween. The question is identifying the nature of the mist and why it is not visible to the naked human eye unless photographed.

Easton - Union Cemetery - Haunted by the ghost of a young woman known by locals as the "White Lady" no one knows of her past yet. Firemen and Police Officers have seen her on different occasions. It's one of the most haunted places in the country. The Warrens have done extensive research of the area.

That type of ecto-mist is not uncommon apparently.

http://www.ghost-hunter.com/images/echto.jpg


jillianjiggs: If you are referring to the blue dots in the first but not in the second may be a function of sunlight and the zoom lens. Zooms have more glass and potential for colorful effects.

jillianjiggs
10-27-2002, 08:05 PM
I am referring to the blue dots, however, the lighting at the time was pretty soft and I've never had those effects with a 28:90 lense.

Redfield
10-27-2002, 11:48 PM
On my photography website I have 3 cemetary pics taken. There ARE what appear to be orbs and light streaks across the photos. However, these can be "disproven" by the fact that I was taking the photos at dusk and the light was refracting on/in the lens.

Manu
10-28-2002, 05:28 AM
CA-

Did you just try to debunk something?!

I have seen many unexplained things in pics, but I know not nearly enough about optics to try and explain it...

but I do want to try first hand...and try some 'testing.'

I mean, I've taken HUNDRES of pictures with my digital camera in ALL light conditions and not gotten spotting.

So if we head to the graveyard and get some SERIOUS spotting, it will be fishy for sure.

jillianjiggs
10-28-2002, 11:02 AM
The odd thing about a lot of the orb pictures is that they seem to be three dimensional. You look that the picture, and seems to come to life. It is possible to replicate that look, but I'm not so sure that all of these pics are fake.

Snouter
10-29-2002, 01:24 AM
I took these two about 2 hours ago in the back yard. I think the camera is picking up condensation from my breathing. I was trying to get orbs but got this stuff instead.

Snouter
10-29-2002, 01:28 AM
One more. Again I think the temperature and dew point are such that my exhaled air shows up like mist in the camera. Although I didn't think I was out there very long to produce that much mist. Probably some body sweat evaporating also. It is strange looking though and seems to have some color in the lower left.

AdamJ
10-30-2002, 03:35 PM
Its interesting you guys are discussing this. This has been a very hot topic on my forum (http://www.powershot-a.com) and it ususally stems to be due to dust. Dust on the lens, within the elements, and floating dust particles just outside the lens. The latter the most common.

I had an oppertunity to visit one Al Capone's buildings in Willow Springs, (its now a pizza place) but I took lots and LOTS of pictures hoping to capture something. Factual information indicates as many as 12 people were murdered there, with some speculation going up to 30 people.

I didn't capture anything wierd in the photos but I will look again just to be sure.

One thing I want to recommend is if you want to try and capture orbs etc, do it at night with the flash OFF. Use a decent shutter speed (1+ sec) and a tripod or similar. You would be surprised at the optical 'oddities' that can crop up in a night photograph when a flash is used (of which are often dismissed as not being supernatural).

Snouter
10-30-2002, 09:14 PM
Well I went out I few minutes and attempted to recreate the mist from the other night and try for some orbs but only got some rain drops.

Snouter
10-31-2002, 10:59 PM
I am going outside to take some pics for orbs and mist. Halloween is an idiotic tradition, but let's see if that results in any anomolies.

Snouter
10-31-2002, 11:30 PM
Strange. I was at the exact same spot where I got a lot of mist the other night and the second time in a row, no mist at all. An especially bizarre observation was that I saw mist with the nakee eye when the flash went off. It was not a cloud like the condensation that occurs when exhaling in cold weather. It was like a trail of smokey mist like in some of the previous pics.

jillianjiggs
11-01-2002, 05:30 PM
I just got back from our Halloween midnight tour of the Winchester house. I'll drop my film off to get it developed. Hopefully I got more than blobs. (I had to use such a slow shutter speed that there might be some camera shake)

ActingBugsAttack
11-01-2002, 06:39 PM
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The above picture was also taken at the Winchester House. The odd colors are the reflection (?) in a window.<br>
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In this picture my mother and I were posing in front of front door of the winchester house. When I got the photo developed I noticed this odd myst above her head.


-Sarah

ActingBugsAttack
11-01-2002, 06:40 PM
http://www.geocities.com/mydeathwasaccident/winchester13.txt
The above picture was taken at the winchester house.

http://www.geocities.com/mydeathwasaccident/odd.txt
This picture was also taken at the Winchester house. When the pictures were developed i noticed this odd reflection (?) in the window.

http://www.geocities.com/mydeathwasaccident/odd2.txt
Yet another Winchester house picture. In this one my mother and I were possing for the camera at the front door. Upon developing the pictures I noticecd this odd formation above my mother's head.


-Sarah

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