In Fort Gibson, Oklahoma on December 7, 1999 a 13-year-old boy shot four classmates at school with his father's handgun. His father had purchased the gun six years earlier at Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart had stopped stocking handguns in its stores in 1993, but not before the boy's father had purchased the gun that would bring tragedy six years later.

Wal-Mart is now the world's largest corporation. With annual sales of $218 billion, Wal-Mart rivals the gross domestic product of the world's 22nd largest economy, Austria. Wal-Mart is the world's largest overall retailer, and sells more groceries, toys, and jewelry than any other chain in the United States. It is also the world's largest private employer, with 1.2 million people.

A company this successful does not need to sell handgun ammunition. But still, Wal-Mart, which does not release sales figures on its ammunition, continues to sell handgun bullets, bullets that kill people. People that die because Wal-Mart sells bullets. Here are just a few of these people:

On August 27, 1999 Bryan Midgette was arrested for abusing his wife, Marsha. Despite a restraining order, Bryan tracked Marsha down three days later at the Wal-Mart in Pottstown, Pennsylvania where she worked. He purchased bullets for his .22 caliber handgun in the store, then chased Marsha through the aisles and shot her before killing himself. Marsha survived, but suffers from severe brain damage.

For ten years, James Easton Kelly had studied towards a graduate degree in English at the University of Arkansas. Then, his professor, John R. Locke, informed him that due to his lack of progress towards his doctorate, the school was dismissing him. At 11:27 AM on Monday, August 28th, 2000 Kelly went to a Wal-Mart 10 miles from the Fayetteville campus and purchased 50 rounds of .38 caliber bullets. He then returned to the school, went to Locke's office and, shortly after noon, shot Locke three times, killing him instantly. Kelly then turned the gun on himself.

On May 22, 2001 Laura Gassaway entered a Wal-Mart in Rockford, Illinois, went to the sporting goods section and tried to purchase bullets for her handgun. After the clerk refused to sell to her because she did not have a state firearm owners identification card, Gassaway began shoplifting other items before store security stopped her. The security officers called the police and then took Gassaway to the back of the store. There, she pulled a handgun from her purse and shot three security guards before police burst in and killed her.

During an argument with his estranged wife on July 31, 2001, John VanGraafeiland threatened to go to Wal-Mart, buy bullets and kill himself. Police contacted the two local Wal-Mart's in Wilmington, North Carolina, warning them not to sell bullets to the man, but no one told the clerk selling the ammunition. After purchasing the bullets, VanGraafeiland went to his car and killed himself. Wal-Mart eventually settled a lawsuit brought by his family, paying them $130,000 for their negligence.

Each bullet Wal-Mart sells could kill a human being, and far too often, they actually do. This is blood on Wal-Mart's hands. Wal-Mart refuses to sell certain books, films, and music that the corporate honchos deem offensive. Many albums have to be censored just to make it on Wal-Mart's shelves. The company actively seeks to protect us from unwholesome messages that could corrupt our minds and our society, yet they sell ammunition that can and does kill people.

Whether it is murdered Professor John Locke or suicidal John VanGraafeiland, none of these people should have died and Wal-Mart should have played no role in their deaths. The same for Tyrone Montgomery and Gayle Isleib of Manchester, Connecticut. They worked together at a Wal-Mart. Then, one night, Montgomery shot and killed Isleib in her driveway and then killed himself. Or Jose Martinez who shot and killed Steven Dale Jenkins after a dispute at a restaurant in Ventura, California. How many more Wal-Mart bullets have to show up at crime scenes, how many more families have to mourn before Wal-Mart decides that saving our lives is more important than any amount of money, and more important than protecting us from the offensive lyrics of today's popular music.

Sometimes, the lyrics aren't even offensive. On her second album, Sheryl Crow wrote a song about the true case of two children in Florida who bought bullets at a Wal-Mart in 1992 and then killed a man. Wal-Mart refused to sell the album, and Crow was locked out of the world's largest retail store.

According to Wal-Mart, Sam Walton built the company on three basic beliefs: Respect for the Individual; Service to Our Customers; and Strive for Excellence. The selling of handgun ammunition that is repeatedly used in murders and suicides violates all three beliefs. In the words of Wal-Mart: "We're nothing without our customers." That's one more reason why they shouldn't want to see their customers dead.

Right now, sign the"Wal-Mart Is Nothing Without Its Customers" Petition (http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/involved/walmart/petition.php) Bullets have no place at the world's largest corporation. We call on Wal-Mart to immediately stop the sale of handgun ammunition. Until Wal-Mart does this, we pledge to never again shop at Wal-Mart. Too many people have already died. Wal-Mart must remove this merchandise before anyone else is added to the list.

selling ammunition is a cause of death?










Geesh.........:rolleyes:

I hate walmart with a passion and will not patronize the store, but this is the weakest argument I've ever heard against them. People are pissed because they sell bullets? last I checked that wasn't illegal. Last I checked, bullets are readily available in many other places, people with guns will get them whether at walmart or somewhere else.

I fully support anyone wanting to aid in the demise of walmart and sams club, but find a better argument.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!

This is one of the most ludricous arguments I've ever seen. Perhaps these people should waste their time in escapades that may bear at least the APPEARANCE of common sense and reason. What would success for this effort bring? Less deaths? Or would people just go to a sporting goods store to buy their ammo?

What a load of speculative, nonsensical, garbage.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I'd really like to agree with you Scott, but I just can't. Okay, so Wal-Mart sell's amunition, so do alll gun shops, if they didn't buy the amunition from Wal-mart, they would just get it someplace else. I think that removing guns from they're shelves was enough.

Originally posted by igofast
I hate walmart with a passion and will not patronize the store, but this is the weakest argument I've ever heard against them.

I'm with you Jed. I despise WalMart because they support school vouchers and give money to anti-abortion groups.

You know what I don't get about Wal-mart? They won't sell any music with parental wanring llabels, but they sell rated R movies. Why is that?

What kills me is the cumulative effect. First it was K-mart, now Walfart. Next, who knows? The new tactics in stealing rights.. blackmail retailers, to get what a few nutjobs want. Leave my Second Ammendment rights alone...@$$holes.

alex, while I think this is a stupid reason to boycott walmart, I don't really see what it has to do with the second amendment. The boycott is for walmart to stop selling amunition, not to ban bullets or guns. People have as much a right to boycott something for any reason they please as you do to own a gun.

This is silly. Yeah, they are a big evil company, but this is just stupid.

-Gomtuu

I don't like Wal-Mart's business practices, but I still buy from Wal-Mart. This reason to boycott Wal-Mart is weak.

A company this successful does not need to sell handgun ammunition. But still, Wal-Mart, which does not release sales figures on its ammunition, continues to sell handgun bullets, bullets that kill people. People that die because Wal-Mart sells bullets.
I mean, what is that? First the killings are blamed on guns in general and now they're blamed on the bullets.

:bs:

Originally posted by igofast
alex, while I think this is a stupid reason to boycott walmart, I don't really see what it has to do with the second amendment. The boycott is for walmart to stop selling amunition, not to ban bullets or guns. People have as much a right to boycott something for any reason they please as you do to own a gun. Ok, let's use logic.

100 stores sell ammo, and 50 sell guns.

Protesters boycott store after store, until none sell either...

Now, I can buy neither guns, nor ammo, because no stores sell them.

That effectively negates my ability to exercise my 2nd ammendment rights, to keep and bear arms.

Now do you see?

It also negates the stores' right to sell whatever legal merchandise they want to.

boycotting is as much a right as owning guns though.

well....

just to let people know...i didn't write the above argument...

i love walmart, and i buy bullets from there.. i never shot anybody.. came close a time or two.. but that's about it..

seriously though.. do you think that there will be less death's if walmart stops selling ammunition.. granted, we can be selling guns and ammo at a the local gas station.. but geez people.. it's walmart.. they have everything..

It's not Walmart that buys the bullets, it's not Walmart that fires the guns. It's not Walmarts responsibility to give each purchaser a test for psychosis before deciding to sell to them. No, I can't sign something that takes the responsibility from where it rightfully belongs.

Since they support school vouchers, I will stop by and make some purchases. If there prices are good, they can have my busienss, sound like good people to me.

Originally posted by Allegra


I'm with you Jed. I despise WalMart because they support school vouchers and give money to anti-abortion groups.
wait a second, didnt you go to a private college? walmart sucks because they put small operations out of business. sure they offer great prices on useless crap like socks and orange marshmallow circus peanuts, but they put an end to the american dream idea of being able to open up your own place and turn a profit. id rather pay more to the little guy.

Hey all I am new to the DA scene and all but I actually found something I feel strongly about allready. First off there is no way walmart should stop selling bullets. what is the point there? we have a right to have weapons we have a right to own the ammo for them also so i find it convenient that i can buy everything i need all at one store. There is always gonna be crime because that is human nature. but to boycot something like this is stupid. how about we boycott gas stations everywhere since they are the most highly robbed businesses in the world we should make them all shut down so noone gets hurt in a hold up. it all comes down to human nature. There is always gonna be crime.
it is up to each person individually to be a decent person not up to a store chain to short some customers from what they want because some nut jobs buy stuff there.
And as to the whole walmart is evil thing i dont get that either. Walmart is the prime example of the american dream. Yes smaller stored cant compete with a walmart but so what? walmart was started as a watermellon stand on the side of the road in arkansas and sam walton built it into a business empire. That to me is exactly what america is all about. If you could do that anywhere else we wouldnt be the gretest nation around. If walmart opens up somewhere and a smaller business shuts down it is because the people there went to walmart to shop not because walmart kicked the other stores doors down and did something to them. If walmart didnt have good service people wouldnt go there. it is a freedom of choice and if walmart wins out over the small stores blame the customers not the store.

I love Wally World.. great store cheap stuff


that story is load of horse****. :mad:

Since they support school vouchers and fund anti abortion groups I will be sure to spend more there now.

Originally posted by Shelter
Hey all I am new to the DA scene and all but I actually found something I feel strongly about allready. First off there is no way walmart should stop selling bullets. what is the point there? we have a right to have weapons we have a right to own the ammo for them also so i find it convenient that i can buy everything i need all at one store. There is always gonna be crime because that is human nature. but to boycot something like this is stupid. how about we boycott gas stations everywhere since they are the most highly robbed businesses in the world we should make them all shut down so noone gets hurt in a hold up. it all comes down to human nature. There is always gonna be crime.
it is up to each person individually to be a decent person not up to a store chain to short some customers from what they want because some nut jobs buy stuff there.
And as to the whole walmart is evil thing i dont get that either. Walmart is the prime example of the american dream. Yes smaller stored cant compete with a walmart but so what? walmart was started as a watermellon stand on the side of the road in arkansas and sam walton built it into a business empire. That to me is exactly what america is all about. If you could do that anywhere else we wouldnt be the gretest nation around. If walmart opens up somewhere and a smaller business shuts down it is because the people there went to walmart to shop not because walmart kicked the other stores doors down and did something to them. If walmart didnt have good service people wouldnt go there. it is a freedom of choice and if walmart wins out over the small stores blame the customers not the store.


yes...there will always be crime because people write it off as "human nature"

untill we all stop that backward thinking...we'll continue to kill eachother

Originally posted by Scott



yes...there will always be crime because people write it off as "human nature" ???WTF??? There's good and bad in all things, Scott... Can't blame a retail chain for individuals' actions. Listen to how that sounds. A STORE is responsible for DEATH. <shakes head>

untill we all stop that backward thinking...we'll continue to kill eachother I do agree here... until the nutjobs quit blaming inanimate objects, and retailers, and put the responsibility where it belongs; back on the individual, people will continue to kill each other.

you missunderstand..

i'm saying that..

people not being pro-active and saying "it's just human nature that people kill"

we'll never move forward..

ahah! a counter petition!


http://www.petitiononline.com/GT1776/petition.html

but how is wal mart NOT selling bullets going to stop someone from getting killed? They don't sale the pistols anymore, yet, people die.

I don't buy all of my shells from walmart, but some.


This will not change anything

Originally posted by Shelter
Hey all I am new to the DA scene and all but I actually found something I feel strongly about allready. First off there is no way walmart should stop selling bullets. what is the point there? we have a right to have weapons we have a right to own the ammo for them also so i find it convenient that i can buy everything i need all at one store. There is always gonna be crime because that is human nature. but to boycot something like this is stupid. how about we boycott gas stations everywhere since they are the most highly robbed businesses in the world we should make them all shut down so noone gets hurt in a hold up. it all comes down to human nature. There is always gonna be crime.
it is up to each person individually to be a decent person not up to a store chain to short some customers from what they want because some nut jobs buy stuff there.
And as to the whole walmart is evil thing i dont get that either. Walmart is the prime example of the american dream. Yes smaller stored cant compete with a walmart but so what? walmart was started as a watermellon stand on the side of the road in arkansas and sam walton built it into a business empire. That to me is exactly what america is all about. If you could do that anywhere else we wouldnt be the gretest nation around. If walmart opens up somewhere and a smaller business shuts down it is because the people there went to walmart to shop not because walmart kicked the other stores doors down and did something to them. If walmart didnt have good service people wouldnt go there. it is a freedom of choice and if walmart wins out over the small stores blame the customers not the store.


It may have started off with an American dream,but it soon became an American nightmare!
They use to sell mostly American made,but very soon after prospering,they went into the sweatshop bussiness,imo.Alot of what they sell is produced in other country's,and that includes food.
If you work there,you have little chance of advancement,and God help you,if you get injured!They fight work comp claimes,to save company and injured are abused,imo.I read about this on another forum.

As far as the bullets,guns are concerned:people kill people,not guns.I don't like the store,for these un-American reasons.Who

Originally posted by whoswho



It may have started off with an American dream,but it soon became an American nightmare!
They use to sell mostly American made,but very soon after prospering,they went into the sweatshop bussiness,imo.Alot of what they sell is produced in other country's,and that includes food.
If you work there,you have little chance of advancement,and God help you,if you get injured!They fight work comp claimes,to save company and injured are abused,imo.I read about this on another forum.

As far as the bullets,guns are concerned:people kill people,not guns.I don't like the store,for these un-American reasons.Who

To this I say, who... you are right about Wal-mart. They had to be sued locally over not hiring qualified minorities. Additionally, they have been taken to court over not hiring people for full time and filling up with 35 hours people, making them work over their breaks and stay late for NO pay, etc. It was all over the papers and some on the net I think.

As to guns, I'm not going to argue that here, but bleh. I am anti-NRA as most ought to know.

LSspab

untill we all stop that backward thinking...we'll continue to kill eachother

And just how do you propose to do that? By punishing people? By limiting their rights and freedoms? By FORCING your views on them??

Walmart has as much right to sell ammo as it has to sell cigarettes which kill far more people than do handguns. If you don't like guns and ammo, don't buy any. Simple as that.

We need to stop all places from selling guns and bullets because they kill people. Also we need to stop selling knives because they kill people too. Actually that's not safe enough lets require immediate removal of all limbs on new born children so they are incapable of killing themselves or anyone else. There we go! Problem solved.

Originally posted by Shelter
And as to the whole walmart is evil thing i dont get that either. Walmart is the prime example of the american dream. Yes smaller stored cant compete with a walmart but so what? walmart was started as a watermellon stand on the side of the road in arkansas and sam walton built it into a business empire. That to me is exactly what america is all about. If you could do that anywhere else we wouldnt be the gretest nation around. If walmart opens up somewhere and a smaller business shuts down it is because the people there went to walmart to shop not because walmart kicked the other stores doors down and did something to them. If walmart didnt have good service people wouldnt go there. it is a freedom of choice and if walmart wins out over the small stores blame the customers not the store.

I don't care for Walmart or quite a few large corporations (ie Microsoft, AOL). The bigger a corporation gets, the less competition they have. I don't care for monopolies because eventually the consumers will be taken advantage of. I'd like to see less of a gap between giant corps and small guys. With that being said, I'm a college student who is trying to keep/earn a little bit of money and I do shop at Walmart (and am currently applying for a job there). I hope their employment practices near me are not what they appear to be elsewhere.

-Justin

I don't care for Walmart or quite a few large corporations (ie Microsoft, AOL). The bigger a corporation gets, the less competition they have. I don't care for monopolies because eventually the consumers will be taken advantage of. I'd like to see less of a gap between giant corps and small guys. With that being said, I'm a college student who is trying to keep/earn a little bit of money and I do shop at Walmart (and am currently applying for a job there). I hope their employment practices near me are not what they appear to be elsewhere.

So ...... you don't care for Walmart and it's monopolistic tendencies - yet you shop there and are applying for work there.

Hmm....

:rolleyes:

Listen up audience. As unfortunate as it may be, Walmart did not aid in the demise of these victims. Have we forgotten that, Bullets don't kill people? People Kill People! Everyone's seeking to divert blame elsewhere except for where it belongs, which is on the people who chose to pull the trigger. We are all individuals, and therefore responsible for our own actions. What we do or fail to do is all on us. Not Walmart, K-Mart or any other Mart.

Wake up people, at some point and time, we all will have access to things that can kill. If fertilizer can be used to make bombs, should Walmart stop selling it too? In keep things in perspective, they also sell knives, bow and arrows, kerosene and matches and the list goes on. All of these things for mentioned can easily be used to destroy personal property or cause serious body harm or even death. Should they stop selling these' items as well?

It's the way of the world people, get use to it. In this world we live in, people die and sometimes at the hands of less caring or emotionally unstable people, but it happens. What can we do able it? Very little I'm afraid.

Where does the madness stop? Hopefully, right here.


That's my 2 cents on the subject.

Listen up audience. As unfortunate as it may be, Walmart did not aid in the demise of these victims. Have we forgotten that, Bullets don't kill people? People Kill People! Everyone's seeking to divert blame elsewhere except for where it belongs, which is on the people who chose to pull the trigger. We are all individuals, and therefore responsible for our own actions. What we do or fail to do is all on us. Not Walmart, K-Mart or any other Mart.

Wake up people, at some point and time, we all will have access to things that can kill. If fertilizer can be used to make bombs, should Walmart stop selling it too? In keep things in perspective, they also sell knives, bow and arrows, kerosene and matches and the list goes on. All of these things for mentioned can easily be used to destroy personal property or cause serious body harm or even death. Should they stop selling these' items as well?

It's the way of the world people, get use to it. In this world we live in, people die and sometimes at the hands of less caring or emotionally unstable people, but it happens. What can we do able it? Very little I'm afraid.

Where does the madness stop? Hopefully, right here.


That's my 2 cents on the subject.

I happened to notice that this thread is over 2 years old. Kind of odd to see Qrtrhrsman's name on any thread.

I myself do think that if gun and ammo manufacturers and distributers are sued, then they will be more responsible to who they sell their wares to. :hmm:

but how is wal mart NOT selling bullets going to stop someone from getting killed? They don't sale the pistols anymore, yet, people die.

I don't buy all of my shells from walmart, but some.


This will not change anything


They aren't because the majority of criminals aren't getting their guns at places like Walmart. Their guns are usually illegal so putting more restrictions on us law abiding citizens isn't the answer nor is it going to stop crime no matter how hard the anti-gun people would like for us to believe it.
:rolleyes:

(I come from Australia and I wrote this to the people in Wal-mart asking them to stop the retail of bullets and guns... I read a post on this sight and I agree in so many ways in what they have to say!).

I live in a very different country to America. I watched "Bowling for Columbine" and was disturbed by the attitudes of many of the people interviewed in the film. The mind-set is so very different to that of the average Australian. It seems to me that many Americans own guns and bullets because they have the right to. Does that make them more of a person in their minds? Wouldn't it make them more of a person to believe in themselves and not just do something stupid because they can? Everyone has a gun because they have to protect themselves from the other person who has a gun to protect themselves. Everyone becomes paranoid about protecting themselves from each other... they are turning on each other. And stores like Wal-mart are not helping. How can you sell something that can take away a life because it would make you richer? You are putting a price on lives!
I am ashamed, disgusted and disappointed in that mind set. You have the power to make a difference, an opportunity that most people will never have. Use it!
From the reactions of the people in "Bowling for Columbine" I believe that deep-down you really know that you are doing the wrong thing, otherwise you would openly stand up for it. Do the right thing and achieve something worthwhile for the world. You achieve more than you believe and you will be able to sleep better at night. You will earn so much respect for doing the right thing. Save lives! Make a difference!
Get rid of bullets from Wal-mart... please.

Bowling for Columbine? :rofl: That guy interviewed how many people out of the US population? maybe 1/1889923874923983298? And of course, he only showed the interviews that favored the agenda his documentary was pushing.

NEVER judge a country by what you see on a "documnetary" type movie.

I happened to notice that this thread is over 2 years old. Kind of odd to see Qrtrhrsman's name on any thread.



haha, no kidding...especially his posts in this thread. Creepy.

I wonder if he bought the bullets he used to murder his victims at Wal-Mart. After all, they support school vouchers! :p

As far as the bullets,guns are concerned:people kill people,not guns.
People kill people - using guns!

haha, no kidding...especially his posts in this thread. Creepy.

I wonder if he bought the bullets he used to murder his victims at Wal-Mart. After all, they support school vouchers! :p
Are you saying that someone who was on DA murdered people? I mean, no sh*t, that happened? Wow, what have I come to?

Basically he presented himself as one thing on DA and was leading different life. He was an incredibly active presence here way back in the day. I don't remember all the details, but he murdered 1...2(?) people and is now in prison. Someone correct me if I'm wrong though.

i think he killed a deputy and wounded another when they came to serve a arrant for domestic violence. and if i remember right, he didn't buy the bullets, he took the cops gun and used it. criminal has the details and stays in toucj with him i think. i think quarterhorseman is on death row.

i think he killed a deputy and wounded another when they came to serve a arrant for domestic violence. and if i remember right, he didn't buy the bullets, he took the cops gun and used it. criminal has the details and stays in toucj with him i think. i think quarterhorseman is on death row.
Death Row... Oh. I don't care what he did, IMO, no one deserves that. I oppose the death penalty vigorously!

That being said, it's a shock...

Death Row... Oh. I don't care what he did, IMO, no one deserves that. I oppose the death penalty vigorously!

That being said, it's a shock...
well, he would disagree with you.

haha, no kidding...especially his posts in this thread. Creepy.

I wonder if he bought the bullets he used to murder his victims at Wal-Mart. After all, they support school vouchers! :p
he used the police officer's weapon, not his own. and the ammo was most likely dept. issue.

I never heard the whole story ,but I never would have thought he'd kill a cop . Guess he was very out of control . Wasn't he nam vet ?

well, he would disagree with you.
Would he still disagree with me, while he's on Death Row? If so, that's sad... the whole thing is sad...

Wasn't he nam vet ?
no. he was a Gulf War vet, IIRC.

Would he still disagree with me, while he's on Death Row? If so, that's sad... the whole thing is sad...yes, as far as i know, he still does. i don't think its sad, i think its admirable. too many people these days let emotions and weigh over reason and conviction. i think its very admirable for someone to cling to their beliefs even when they are the ones on the receiving end.

What the h*ll does this thread have to do with WalMart? Good Lord...that's my whole shopping experience....on my income.

haha, no kidding...especially his posts in this thread. Creepy.
Man no kidding, spooked me to see that psudonym on this board again. I kinda miss the persona that he presented here. Heh, thats DA for you though, pervs, prudes, inbetweeners, lovers and murderers. What an odd lot we are :hmm:

Man no kidding, spooked me to see that psudonym on this board again. I kinda miss the persona that he presented here. Heh, thats DA for you though, pervs, prudes, inbetweeners, lovers and murderers. What an odd lot we are :hmm:
I'm on 3 boards now, after 4 years of only one, and I've discovered, there are odd people on all message boards! :D