William Tecumseh Sherman

[the incredible b]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/William-Tecumseh-Sherman.jpg/250px-William-Tecumseh-Sherman.jpg

this guy looks so much like my dad (who is way into the us civil war). wiki gives me the feeling he wasnt a very nice guy. he did the scorched earth thing and later headed the western war on native americans... am i right? am i wrong?

[Freedom&Liberty]

He was Yankee scum.

[caddis]

Great general...Actually fought a war the way a war should have been fought....he destroyed things...imagine that.

[86Dùde]

Tread carefully there Caddis. He also sewed the earth with salt to starve the civilian population. In one raid his yankee scum took 400 Georgian women as sex slaves and they never returned. You should really not get involved in discussions you know little about. Rape and pillage. He was such a great guy he even ditched the black camp followers.

[86Dùde]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/William-Tecumseh-Sherman.jpg/250px-William-Tecumseh-Sherman.jpg

this guy looks so much like my dad (who is way into the us civil war). wiki gives me the feeling he wasnt a very nice guy. he did the scorched earth thing and later headed the western war on native americans... am i right? am i wrong?

You live in the Netherland's and your dad is into the civil war? Does he have any artifacts? As a token of my love for Holland I'd send him a few artifacts for free. I have thousands.

[caddis]

Tread carefully there Caddis. He also sewed the earth with salt to starve the civilian population. In one raid his yankee scum took 400 Georgian women as sex slaves and they never returned. You should really not get involved in discussions you know little about. Rape and pillage. He was such a great guy he even ditched the black camp followers.


Duly noted


However, I doubt everything that has been attributed to him or his policy was actually his doing

[trgfbv]

Great general...Actually fought a war the way a war should have been fought....he destroyed things...imagine that.

Correct. Civilized war is an oxymoron.

[garyd]

Dude he did no such thing. He tore up a lot of infrastructure but he also understood that the war was going to be over and soon so no salted earth. War is an obscenity. But the greatest obscenity is to needlessly and pointlessly prolong war.

[86Dùde]

Dude he did no such thing. He tore up a lot of infrastructure but he also understood that the war was going to be over and soon so no salted earth. War is an obscenity. But the greatest obscenity is to needlessly and pointlessly prolong war.

What, you think I just made this crap up? I suppose the females in Roswell Georgia just got all horny and decided to shack up with the Yankee scum and never come back?

[Freedom&Liberty]

http://www.civilwarnews.com/archive/articles/roswell_kirby.htm

[garyd]

No mention anywhere of him salting the earth. The women, mostly millworkers, were arrested for treason and shipped north. Can't find any info about them being used as sex slaves.

[86Dùde]

Arrested for treason my ass. They used the excuse of retribution and punishment to condone their own behavior even more so in South Carolina since it fired the first shot. Responsibility for atrocities for goes up the chain to the top. As for salting, I've seen in an archive a statement from an otherwise good Yankee that verifies that they did indeed salt the earth. I don't have a link to that on my current lap top. Will have to search for it.

[Truth Teller]

He was Yankee scum.


Tread carefully there Caddis. He also sewed the earth with salt to starve the civilian population. In one raid his yankee scum took 400 Georgian women as sex slaves and they never returned. You should really not get involved in discussions you know little about. Rape and pillage. He was such a great guy he even ditched the black camp followers.
Of course,he wouldn't have had to punish the South if the CSA had just surrendered and quit fighting for two unjust causes.







But the greatest obscenity is to needlessly and pointlessly prolong war.

And that is exactly what the CSA did,if they had just surrendered or better yet,not fired on Fort Sumter in the first place,then the war wouldn't have happend and we probably wouldn't have half the problems that we currently have.

[Truth Teller]

Arrested for treason my ass. They used the excuse of retribution and punishment to condone their own behavior even more so in South Carolina since it fired the first shot. Responsibility for atrocities for goes up the chain to the top. As for salting, I've seen in an archive a statement from an otherwise good Yankee that verifies that they did indeed salt the earth. I don't have a link to that on my current lap top. Will have to search for it.

Of course,the CSA soldiers wren't saints in the North either,amongst other things they would capture free blacks in the North ,send them down South to be slaves and make sarcastic remarks like "How about we rejoin the Unon this way?".

[GanjaFreebird]

Tread carefully there Caddis. He also sewed the earth with salt to starve the civilian population. In one raid his yankee scum took 400 Georgian women as sex slaves and they never returned. You should really not get involved in discussions you know little about. Rape and pillage. He was such a great guy he even ditched the black camp followers.


He was Yankee scum.

And the worst part about it is that he prevented you guys from owning African-American people, how TERRIBLE, that was a STATE RIGHT!:mad:;)

[GanjaFreebird]

What, you think I just made this crap up? I suppose the females in Roswell Georgia just got all horny and decided to shack up with the Yankee scum and never come back?

Things like that do happen:).

[86Dùde]

Dear God, I can see where this thread is going. You two should be discussing easier topics and not involve yourselves in discussions you know jack and shit about. It's embarrassing. I will not participate in this tit for tat nonsensical crap with you two retards involved. Thanks for ruining the thread with your vile presence. Later.

[GanjaFreebird]

86dude, but I thought you love children, even when they are African-American;). Why would you support anybody who wants to enslave them?:confused:

[Freedom&Liberty]

You support a federal government that's enslaved 10's of millions of Americans, dumbass.

[Truth Teller]

Things like that do happen:).
And the few Union Soliders who did that were wrong to do so too,but again,if the CSA had either surrendered ,or not fired on Fort Sumter,it wouldn't have happended at all.

And let's not give the South the full blame either,if our Founding Fathers had abolished slavery as soon at the US was founded,then slavery wouldn't have festered on about a 100 years to the point that it got to the into 1860s.



86dude, but I thought you love children, even when they are African-American;). Why would you support anybody who wants to enslave them?:confused:
Good point.

You support a federal government that's enslaved 10's of millions of Americans, dumbass.

:rolleyes:

[GanjaFreebird]

Paying taxes isn't the same as being a slave, stop pretending you're even dumber than you actually are:p.

[GanjaFreebird]

And the few Union Soliders who did that were wrong to do so too,but again,if the CSA had either surrendered ,or not fired on Fort Sumter,it wouldn't have happended at all.

And let's not give the South the full blame either,if our Founding Fathers had abolished slavery as soon at the US was founded,then slavery wouldn't have festered on about a 100 years to the point that it got to the into 1860s.

You are absolutely correct, however, the southern states made it pretty much impossible for the FF to abolish slavery, and unfortunately, they gave in to the political pressure:(. If it wasn't for the southern states being obsessed with enslaving Black people, the FF would've probably been more productive on that issue.

[Truth Teller]

Paying taxes isn't the same as being a slave, stop pretending you're even dumber than you actually are:p.
Well,the taxes and tariffs were on the Southern economy ,and the Southern economy was fuled by slavery ,so even if slavery wasn't the only issue (and I never said or insinuated that it was) all the other issues were still related to it.



You are absolutely correct, however, the southern states made it pretty much impossible for the FF to abolish slavery, and unfortunately, they gave in to the political pressure:(. If it wasn't for the southern states being obsessed with enslaving Black people, the FF would've probably been more productive on that issue.

And I'm not taking up for the Southern states either,but they had been doing it for hundreds of years by then,so it's predcitiable they would take the stand they took,but if the FF had refused to even compromise on slavery,then it would have been abolished.

IMO the FF held the trump card and either didn't play it,or didn't play it smartly.

[Freedom&Liberty]

Paying taxes isn't the same as being a slave, stop pretending you're even dumber than you actually are:p.Stop promoting slavery, dumbass.

[garyd]

In the days before tractors large scale farming all but required slavery or at least that was the rationale of the day.

[queenlillian1962]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/William-Tecumseh-Sherman.jpg/250px-William-Tecumseh-Sherman.jpg

this guy looks so much like my dad (who is way into the us civil war). wiki gives me the feeling he wasnt a very nice guy. he did the scorched earth thing and later headed the western war on native americans... am i right? am i wrong?

Nice guy, probably not. He used total war tactic's during the war; somebody's gotta do the dirty work I guess. Somebody must have thought enough of him because Sherman becomes a family name after the war.

[queenlillian1962]

What, you think I just made this crap up? I suppose the females in Roswell Georgia just got all horny and decided to shack up with the Yankee scum and never come back?

I hope you get just as offended over the many black women who were raped and used as sex slaves by thier southern masters. Guess that makes them Confederate scum.

[GanjaFreebird]

Stop promoting slavery, dumbass.

Start paying taxes, punk!:mad::jester:

[garyd]

Quit buying Peter's soul with Paul's money.

[Freedom&Liberty]

Start paying taxes, punk!:mad::jester:I refuse to support your racism, punk!

[GanjaFreebird]

I refuse to support your racism, punk!

What "racism"? Paying taxes is about supporting America and paying your rent for living here, not hating any race, so you better start paying taxes like other citizens if you want to live in this country!:mad::p

[86Dùde]

I hope you get just as offended over the many black women who were raped and used as sex slaves by thier southern masters. Guess that makes them Confederate scum.

I'm going against my word and participating in this thread despite the other 2 dumb asses attempts to derail it and of course make it into something about race.

The answer to your question is simple and in 2 parts. Number 1, of course I'd oppose the rape of any woman. Number 2, there was plenty of foulness on both sides, however, that's not the point. The point is the level of total war Sherman wrought. People universally vilify the rape of Nanking, the bombing of Dresden, the unnecessary incendiary low level bombings of the wooden city of Tokyo yet they defend the ginger faced war criminal also known as Sherman. Same shit different century. Same hypocrisy, different assholes.

[Freedom&Liberty]

What "racism"? Paying taxes is about supporting America and paying your rent for living here, not hating any race, so you better start paying taxes like other citizens if you want to live in this country!:mad::p

Your racism has made tens of millions of Americans dependent upon government. The Democrat Plantation is full. I don't want to live in a racist country, so knock that shit off, racist liberal!

[Truth Teller]

In the days before tractors large scale farming all but required slavery or at least that was the rationale of the day.
Only rich farmers owned slaves.

Racism is never strictly racial,the rich plantation owners didn't own slaves because they wanted to own or oppress blacks per se,they owned slaves because it was cheaper to buy slaves than to pay whites full and fair wages.


Nice guy, probably not. He used total war tactic's during the war; somebody's gotta do the dirty work I guess. Somebody must have thought enough of him because Sherman becomes a family name after the war.
If the South wouldn't surrender,then it was Sherman's job to make them want to surrender.

And Lincoln tried to resolve it peacefully for a long,long time ,as historian (and Southerner) Shelby Foote said "Once the North really decided to really fight the war,the South never had a chance".



I hope you get just as offended over the many black women who were raped and used as sex slaves by thier southern masters. Guess that makes them Confederate scum.
:nice:

I refuse to support your racism, punk!

Why should you?

You've got plenty of your own racism to support.:p

[GanjaFreebird]

Your racism

Which race do I hate?:confused:


has made tens of millions of Americans dependent upon government.

Well, a lot of White people are disabled, old, children and single mothers, and I didn't cause any of them to be dependent on the gov't, natural causes did, nor do I hate any of them or feel that their race is inferior:shrug:;).


I don't want to live in a racist country, so knock that shit off, racist liberal!

If you consider America to be so racist, why don't you get the fuck out of here? For example, my family found Ukraine to be a racist country, so they left:). Why can't you have some pride and leave the racist liberal country if you hate it so much, rather than continue to live there, bitch about your taxes that you don't even pay, while taking advantage of this beautiful country:mad:. Don't ask what your country can do for you, ask what YOU can do for your country:mad::nice:!

[86Dùde]

See what I mean people. The Jew derails the topic into a race thread. You're a one trick pony punk.

[GanjaFreebird]

If the South wouldn't surrender,then it was Sherman's job to make them want to surrender.

And Lincoln tried to resolve it peacefully for a long,long time ,as historian (and Southerner) Shelby Foote said "Once the North really decided to really fight the war,the South never had a chance".


EXACTLY, as the South probably had a lot of people like 86dude, who talked and yelled a lot of shit while lookin' all tough, but one the North REALLY decided to fight, they turned into a bunch of crybabies, whining about how bad they got their asses kicked. Well, guess what, next time, just don't fight if you can't take an ass kickin' and do what the fuck America says, even if it means you can't own Black people:shrug::rolleyes:.


Why should you?

You've got plenty of your own racism to support.

:rofl:

[Truth Teller]

I'm going against my word and participating in this thread despite the other 2 dumb asses attempts to derail it and of course make it into something about race.

Because race had nothing at all to do with it.:rolleyes:

I'm being sarcastic ,in case you didn't get that.



Number 1, of course I'd oppose the rape of any woman.

Unless it's Lara Logan,or anyone else in Egypt.

Again,more sarcasm from me.




Number 2, there was plenty of foulness on both sides,

And I've said that.


however, that's not the point. The point is the level of total war Sherman wrought. People universally vilify the rape of Nanking

Japan were the invaders ,just like the CSA invaded Fort Sumter.




the bombing of Dresden
Churchill did that,of course,by that time Liverpool and London had more than it's share of Nazi bombings too.




the unnecessary incendiary low level bombings of the wooden city of Tokyo

That may be open to debate ,what is undebatable is that Pearl Harbor happend first.




yet they defend the ginger faced war criminal also known as Sherman. Same shit different century. Same hypocrisy, different assholes.
No one defends him per se,but the fact remains that the CSA wouldn't have surrendered any other way.



Your racism has made tens of millions of Americans dependent upon government. The Democrat Plantation is full. I don't want to live in a racist country, so knock that shit off, racist liberal!

:cuckoo:

[Truth Teller]

See what I mean people. The Jew derails the topic into a race thread. You're a one trick pony punk.

Am I the only one who sees irony here?

[GanjaFreebird]

See what I mean people. The Jew derails the topic into a race thread. You're a one trick pony punk.

I know, the civil war had NOTHING to do with race;).

[jwreck]

Dear God, I can see where this thread is going. You two should be discussing easier topics and not involve yourselves in discussions you know jack and shit about. It's embarrassing. I will not participate in this tit for tat nonsensical crap with you two retards involved. Thanks for ruining the thread with your vile presence. Later.Stooges gonna stooge.

[86Dùde]

Because race had nothing at all to do with it.:rolleyes:

I'm being sarcastic ,in case you didn't get that.




Unless it's Lara Logan,or anyone else in Egypt.

Again,more sarcasm from me.





And I've said that.



Japan were the invaders ,just like the CSA invaded Fort Sumter.




Churchill did that,of course,by that time Liverpool and London had more than it's share of Nazi bombings too.





That may be open to debate ,what is undebatable is that Pearl Harbor happend first.




No one defends him per se,but the fact remains that the CSA wouldn't have surrendered any other way.




:cuckoo:

Lancaster bombers weren't the only planes bombing Dresden Teller just to correct your view that it was a solely British atrocity.

[Truth Teller]

Lancaster bombers weren't the only planes bombing Dresden Teller just to correct your view that it was a solely British atrocity.

We were allies.

Anyway,I do find it hypocritical that the allies boimbed Dresden and not the train tracks to any given concentration camp.

But,even that still doesn't compare to the CSA,if Sherman attacked a POW camp with Union prisoners I might see your point,but most people who speak out against Dreseden do so because it was a POW camp that had allied POW's (Kurt Vonnegut being one) there.

Plus,the allies in WWII had a just cause,if you think the CSA was a just cause,then come out and say it,stop bullshitting us with semantics.

[86Dùde]

Dumb fuck, I do believe the CSA was a just cause. I've never denied it, but I don't have this 1 dimensional 80 IQ brain like you do so I understand the major causes of the civil war, at least six that I can think or whereas your insignificant excuse for a functioning cerebrum has been partisan mind fucked by a pathetic high school education level understanding of something you don't know a thing about. You want it to be about race, and that's all your type sees. You're a pathetic maggot. I can't believe I'm wasting my time with trash like you.

[Truth Teller]

I do believe the CSA was a just cause.

I rest my case.

[86Dùde]

You can't rest a case because you never had one. You live in a little box, a fantasy world of thought you've been fed since the cradle. You never look outside that box because you're not interested in truth but only the pathetic illusion of partisan misinformation you cling too. I'm just toying with you because I know that you're incapable of a rational conversation on the subject. You're just stuck in your old box, alone and afraid. Arguing with you about it is tantamount to discussing string theory with a 3 year old.

[Šñøü†ê®]

Anyway,I do find it hypocritical that the allies boimbed Dresden and not the train tracks to any given concentration camp.

:cuckoo:

[86Dùde]

What Teller doesn't get Jim is that the plight of the Jewish people wasn't foremost on the Allie's mind. That's not why wars occur. Oh dear God here it comes, only a matter of time before those bastards turned this into a Jew thread. I'll have to give Teller and Ganga credit because sometimes I don't even seen it coming. Damn you Teller.

[garyd]

They didn't bomb the train tracks because it was a waste of bombs. It takes little to no time to replace a couple of miles of track. I always considered the Dresden bombing a species of poetic justice. Less than five miles up the road was a concentration camp you could smeel bodies burning if the wind was right and no one said a word or lifted a finger.

[queenlillian1962]

I'm going against my word and participating in this thread despite the other 2 dumb asses attempts to derail it and of course make it into something about race.

The answer to your question is simple and in 2 parts. Number 1, of course I'd oppose the rape of any woman. Number 2, there was plenty of foulness on both sides, however, that's not the point. The point is the level of total war Sherman wrought. People universally vilify the rape of Nanking, the bombing of Dresden, the unnecessary incendiary low level bombings of the wooden city of Tokyo yet they defend the ginger faced war criminal also known as Sherman. Same shit different century. Same hypocrisy, different assholes.

I knew you didn't approve of women being raped,your a decent guy, it was a touch of sarcasm on my part. It's just people get worked up at Sherman's March 150 years later, and of course the rape of women is always wrong, but I don't think what he did was any worse than any other time in history. Sometimes total war(without the rape) is a necessary evil to put an end to a war faster.

[garyd]

Exactly Queen.

[the incredible b]

I know, the civil war had NOTHING to do with race;).

of course it did, but there were many many many more factors and, really, theres enough race threads on DA.
(to say the us civil war was about race, is like saying gavrilo princip started the first world war)


You live in the Netherland's and your dad is into the civil war? Does he have any artifacts? As a token of my love for Holland I'd send him a few artifacts for free. I have thousands.

really? thanks, he'd love that! how'd that work? isnt there shipping costs? how do i know you wont put anthrax in the box :p? why do you love holland, is it the hookers, the drugs, the beautiful women or the tulips?

[queenlillian1962]

of course it did, but there were many many many more factors and, really, theres enough race threads on DA.
(to say the us civil war was about race, is like saying gavrilo princip started the first world war)



really? thanks, he'd love that! how'd that work? isnt there shipping costs? how do i know you wont put anthrax in the box :p? why do you love holland, is it the hookers, the drugs, the beautiful women or the tulips?

He finds the hot blondes in skimpy outfits wearing clogs interesting. Can you blame him? lol

[Truth Teller]

You can't rest a case because you never had one. You live in a little box, a fantasy world of thought you've been fed since the cradle. You never look outside that box because you're not interested in truth but only the pathetic illusion of partisan misinformation you cling too. I'm just toying with you because I know that you're incapable of a rational conversation on the subject. You're just stuck in your old box, alone and afraid. Arguing with you about it is tantamount to discussing string theory with a 3 year old.
You need to get laid,you would get rid of all of that hostility if you did.



of course it did, but there were many many many more factors

But all of those factors were related to slavery,and slavery was related to race.

[86Dùde]

of course it did, but there were many many many more factors and, really, theres enough race threads on DA.
(to say the us civil war was about race, is like saying gavrilo princip started the first world war)



really? thanks, he'd love that! how'd that work? isnt there shipping costs? how do i know you wont put anthrax in the box :p? why do you love holland, is it the hookers, the drugs, the beautiful women or the tulips?

Beautiful women and Tulips for the win, but the first time I went to Amsterdam I thought it was a dump. Next 2 or 3 times it grew on me. So, yeah I live next to major battlefield and been recovering stuff for some time, bullets and small things mostly although once I dug a live artillery shell which was pretty cool.

[86Dùde]

There would be shipping costs but I think I could manage it. I doubt many dutch have fired or dropped civil war bullets and various things. It won't be much because lead is heavy but if he would like an artifact or 2 that is genuine I can send it. I'll even send you the google earth coordinates from where it was found within 2 meters.

[Cd.]

Sherman was the first modern General. He understood that wars are won through whatever means are necessary. His methods were severe but he accomplished his goals.