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Powerboss
09-11-2002, 03:43 AM
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Reno Behind in Fla. Gov. Primary


By Ken Thomas
Associated Press Writer
Wednesday, September 11, 2002; 2:49 AM

MIAMI –– Former Attorney General Janet Reno trailed political newcomer Bill McBride in the Democratic race for Florida governor early Wednesday after a day marred by elections system glitches that sent hundreds of people home from the polls without voting.

Thousands of votes were still being counted in three large Florida counties – Broward, Miami-Dade and Palm Beach – where Reno hoped to catch up. But her campaign was already talking about possibly challenging the results.

"When that many people are turned away from the polls, it raises enough concerns that we're going to have to take a good, hard look at the legitimacy of the election," Reno campaign manager Mo Elleithee said.

"We need to wait-and-see what the numbers look like and what the full impact of today's voting irregularities are," he said.

With 90 percent of precincts reporting, McBride had 566,756 votes, or 46 percent, while Reno had 524,661 votes, or 42 percent. State Sen. Daryl Jones had 12 percent.

Citing election troubles in several counties, Secretary of State Jim Smith said results would likely not be fully tallied until 4 a.m. or 5 a.m. Wednesday.

The Democratic nominee will face Republican Gov. Jeb Bush this fall.

Florida's first big test of its new voting system since the 2000 presidential election debacle turned sour as soon as polls opened Tuesday. Ballots were chewed up in the new touchscreen voting system, some polling stations opened late and hundreds of would-be voters were turned away.

Voting machines were not properly shut down at seven precincts in Miami-Dade County, said Giselas Salas, assistant supervisor of elections. Police were called to pick up voting cartridges so county elections officials coult tally the uncounted votes.

Problems were reported in at least 14 counties, including six of the seven that were sued after the 2000 vote. In Union County, officials counted every ballot by hand after the optical-scan system showed that every vote cast was for a Republican candidate.

As problems mounted, Bush ordered polls statewide to stay open an additional two hours. Reno and McBride both said they supported the move.

Two months ago, Reno led McBride by 25 percentage points. But she lost the support of prominent Democrats who consider the Tampa lawyer a better candidate to deny Bush a second term.

Reno angered many in Florida's Cuban community with her role in the federal raid in 2000 that took Elian Gonzalez from his Miami relatives. The boy was sent back to Cuba with his father.

Some Democrats also worried Reno is perceived as too liberal to beat Bush, who was unopposed in his bid for a second term. Florida is about equally divided between Democrats and Republicans.

Reno took a folksy approach in her campaign, emphasizing her Miami roots in TV ads and traveling the state in a red pickup truck. She held her own party at a South Beach club to poke fun at a "Saturday Night Live" skit on NBC that parodied her days as attorney general.

But her grass-roots campaign drew criticism from Democratic officials and political experts, who said Reno needed to get on television earlier to reach millions daily instead of just hundreds.

Meanwhile, McBride raised much more money than Reno – $4.2 million to $2.6 million, according to their latest filings.

He filled the airwaves with commercials, and he picked up endorsements from some of the state's Democratic heavyweights, including Miami-Dade County Mayor Alex Penelas and Reps. Robert Wexler and Corrine Brown, as well as the state teachers union and the state AFL-CIO.

He also benefited from ads launched against him by the state GOP accusing him of mismanaging his law firm and avoiding details about how he would pay for his proposed programs. He responded to the ads with some of his own, saying the attack showed Bush fears him more than Reno and challenging the governor to a debate. It was then that his poll numbers began to rise.

Snouter
09-11-2002, 10:28 AM
The state of Florida should have been closed down 2 years ago until the voting system was made functional. I heard this on the radio last night and it is disgusting that this country has not addressed the voting issue.

Manu
09-11-2002, 11:15 AM
Agreed 100% Snouter.

The basis for our democracy comes from the fact that we vote in our elected officials. That every citizen has a vote (with some special exceptions) and that the right to vote cannot be hindered.

If we continue having such major voting irregularities, are we not undermining our democracy?

Kraw
09-11-2002, 08:23 PM
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Reno May Challenge Fla. Results
Wed Sep 11, 6:30 PM ET
By ALEX VEIGA, Associated Press Writer

MIAMI (AP) - Florida's first major election since the 2000 debacle was marred by mechanical and human glitches that frustrated voters and prompted Janet Reno ( news - web sites) to consider challenging results that showed her trailing in the race for governor.

Political novice Bill McBride jumped out to an early lead over Reno in Tuesday's Democratic primary when initial results were counted, but Reno remained in striking distance as votes were still being counted in South Florida counties where she held a better than 2-to-1 margin.

As counting continued Wednesday, Reno, the former U.S. attorney general, talked to advisers about whether to take action such as filing suit or demanding a recount.

Reno's campaign manager, Mo Elleithee, had said the situation "raises enough concerns that we're going to have to take a good, hard look at the legitimacy of the election."

Despite $32 million spent to reform the voting system, the primary was tarnished by faulty vote-counting machines, absent poll workers and exasperated voters unable to cast ballots.

Problems were reported in 14 of Florida's 67 counties, including six of the seven that were sued after the 2000 vote. The governor called it "shameful."

"It's deja vu all over again," said Democratic National Chairman Terry McAuliffe. "Even before the polls close, we know that election reform in Florida has failed its first test."

The worst balloting problems were in cities across Reno's power base: Miami-Dade and Broward counties.

The Democratic race between Reno and McBride remained too close to call.

Counting continued Wednesday in Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties, strongholds for Reno, who trailed by less than 20,000 votes. Counts also continued in Orange, Collier and Union counties. Broward, Miami-Dade and Palm Beach counties represent 29 percent of all the state's registered voters.

Early Wednesday, with 97 percent of precincts reporting, McBride had 596,744 votes, or 45 percent, compared with Reno's 577,930 votes, or 43 percent. State Sen. Daryl Jones ( news, bio, voting record) had 154,462 votes, or 12 percent.

Two months ago, polls had shown Reno leading McBride by about 25 percentage points.

"We'll see what happens," McBride said early Wednesday. "I thought it was going to be close, but I thought it would have been settled by now. I just hope this gets straightened out."

A recount would be automatic if the difference between McBride and Reno is less than half a percent. As she ducked inside her headquarters Wednesday, Reno said: "I'm thinking to myself this morning."

Miami-Dade elections supervisor David Leahy and election officials in other counties refused to say when they thought the count would be finished. Unofficial returns are due at the secretary of state's office by noon Thursday.

Union County workers began counting 2,600 ballots by hand Wednesday because a programming error registered all Democratic votes as Republican, said Babs Montpetit, the north Florida county's elections supervisor.

The responsibility for conducting elections in Florida lies with the individual elected county supervisors of elections.

Gov. Jeb Bush ordered polls statewide to stay open an additional two hours to handle unhappy voters — but some refused and closed at 7 p.m. as scheduled. At one precinct, residents said poll workers refused to reopen the doors and shouted profanities at would-be voters.

"I frankly wonder what in the hell have they been doing for two years," said Secretary of State Jim Smith, Florida's top elections official.

Smith, a former secretary of state, returned to his old job after the resignation this summer of Katherine Harris. Harris won the GOP primary Tuesday for a seat in Congress after presiding over the 2000 recount that eventually led to George W. Bush's razor-thin victory over Al Gore ( news - web sites).

The state changed voting laws and outlawed punch card ballots after the presidential election. Millions were spent and more than half of the state's voters used — or tried to use — the new touch-screen machines intended to replace punch card and butterfly ballots.

But ballots jammed in optical-scanning machines used in some counties. Poll workers didn't show up, forcing some precincts to open late into the morning. And some Democrats were given Republican ballots.

"Our community suffered a black eye on a day we expected to celebrate our democracy," Miami-Dade County Mayor Alex Penelas said.

jwreck
09-12-2002, 12:41 AM
The fact that Reno even got ANY votes should be enough to cut Fla. out of the Union.

Lowtide
09-12-2002, 02:38 AM
So I don't get it... is Reno a lesbian or no?

kiwimac
09-12-2002, 04:38 AM
Originally posted by Lowtide
So I don't get it... is Reno a lesbian or no?

So who Cares?

:rolleyes:

302Riz
09-12-2002, 09:12 AM
So who Cares?

Inquireing minds want to know!

:D

The Frog
09-12-2002, 09:45 AM
What I want to know is:

Why is Clinton backing her Dem Primary opponent?


What are her ties to Michael Jackson




Just idle curiosity on that second one.

Manu
09-12-2002, 11:37 AM
Didn't know that Frog. Interesting indeed.

The Frog
09-12-2002, 12:15 PM
Manu, Clinton backs the other person because that person funded large chunks of his campaigns in the past. Reno hasn't.



My wife and I saw this on the news yesterday, and I hear them say that residents in FL were having trouble with the new voting system.

I quipped to her:

'Meanwhile in West Palm Beach, Mildred says to the elections officer, "Hey! Something's wrong with mine. I still can't find Al Gore's name on here and I think I accidentally voted for Perot!" '

My wife nearly choked laughing.


I know many MANY people in Florida and none of them have ever had trouble with this. Must be only in certain communities...

Lowtide
09-12-2002, 12:54 PM
Actually, wasn't Clinton going to dump Reno...???

I remember there being a lot of rumors that he wanted to.

Robin ®
09-12-2002, 02:49 PM
It's stuff like this going on that makes me embarrassed to say that I live in Florida.

Well, one redeeming factor is that at least I don't live in South Florida! :)

Truth Teller
09-12-2002, 06:50 PM
Poor old Jeb Bush,he has a dughter smuggling crack into rehab and he still has a case of electial dysfuntion that Viagra can't cure.:D

RightWingZealot
09-12-2002, 07:38 PM
Im not sure what the democratic primary in Florida has to do with Jeb Bush or his crack smoking daughter....

OH wait... I forgot. Jeb is a republican. He is probably behind this somehow.

hammegk
09-12-2002, 08:24 PM
The real problem is that most Dade/Broward counties local precinct workers tend to be Democrats.

Some of them couldn't find the on switch (even in large groups). ;)

DngrMse
09-12-2002, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by hammegk
The real problem is that most Dade/Broward counties local precinct workers tend to be Democrats.

Some of them couldn't find the on switch (even in large groups). ;)

The 'ON' switches are at the bottom of the machines. So the Democrats had to bend over to read them. Since they were upside down in relation to the switches, they read 'NO'. The Democrats decided to leave them alone, or in the 'FFO' position.


ON TOPIC: Reno is challenging the results. So here we go again....this time though, funny enough, it's Dem vs. Dem.

RightWingZealot
09-12-2002, 11:59 PM
who are the democrats going to accuse of trying to steal the florida election?!

Oh that's right.. Jeb had something to do with it.
and that horrible katherin harris too right?

Criminal
09-13-2002, 03:26 AM
Good. I hope that bich looses and we never hear from her again. I would be very happy if she just climbs under a rock and dies. I think Reno is in the wrong party anyway. A facist like her would be better suited for the republicans.:mad:

Truth Teller
09-13-2002, 08:05 PM
I don't care who wins,the winner will kick Jeb's ass [unless Jeb gets those graveyard people who voted for his brother].

Powerboss
09-13-2002, 08:10 PM
THe dead people vote for Democrats. Its well documented.

Robin ®
09-14-2002, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by Truth Teller
I don't care who wins,the winner will kick Jeb's ass [unless Jeb gets those graveyard people who voted for his brother].


Think again! :)


Reno might stand a chance againt Jeb, :eek: But it's doubtful that this McBride guy (or whatever his name is) will stand a chance. It's a name recognition thing.

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