Lara Logan:"My attack was retribution against the free press " by pro-Mubarak people

[Truth Teller]

Very few ever are, because everyone is different. Now, most liberals do march in ideological lockstep, but even they are not usually as 100% on board with the rigid orthodoxy as the leadership desires.
Spin and bullshit.



Where have I (not "people like me") said that, and how would that even imply that liberals should be harrassed, be imprisoned, deported, or killed?

I haven't heard you sepak out against the conservatives here who harass liberals.


Where have I (not "people like me") said that and how would that even imply that liberals should be harrassed, be imprisoned, deported, or killed?

Nah, you and ilk just advocate they be ridiculed ,marginalized and subjugated.

That's why I call you guys neo-Nazis isnead of calling you guys Nazis.

You guys are not Nazis or KKK,you're just Nazi/KKK Lite.




Where have I ever said "liberals and liberalism are the cause of all the ills in the world", or "same-sex marraige should never be legal"?

Get the archives back up and I probably could do it.



Now, even if I DID ever say something like that, how do you make the connection that it's on par with the hatred from the KKK/Nazis, which is obviously the connection you wanted to make?

You guys hate us on a much lesser degree,but degrees don't matter too much in regards to the bottom line,hatred is still hatred.





We're not talking about them.

I am and I ment them as well as you.


None of them has called me a neo-Naz

Well,they've called me GF,CR and others some major shit and they share your views.



No doubt you are taking advantage of this quiet time

This is not quiet time/down time for me,this is a very busy time for me and I don't have lots of unlimited internet time right now.


i tired to address this last night and my browser ate my post=that and the fact you havent been back in over 24 hours makes me think perhaps this sad little thread has jumped the shark-86 once implied that your boycott of any thread was proof positive it was kaput=because "that guy never gives up hardly" :)

I'm just very busy right now.



i thoguht you were angry

Nope.


actualy between work, being sick, farmville and the studies i take seriously i dont have time to research every thread i post
on here-hence my constant efforts to get you guys to synopsize your opinions-those are more important to me than the "facts"
and wahtever convoluted rabbit trail is involved in verifying them

Most people here aren't like that and that includes me.

This is my style.




im still learning how you think-its very diiferent than the way i tihnk
Ok.


i found it intersting youd say that
and a little surprising-i would think anyone would regard the reading as a realization of a "right"
im not being derogatory btw once again its an instance of the difference between our manners of thinking

Ok.


lol it takes money to publicize like this-its self evident

What money?

She gave an interview where she said what she thinks the motivations of her attackers were,then she gave a lecture about the attack and why she's going to speak more about it now.

She gave interviews and lectures long before this ,she'll give them long after this.

In fact,a few months ago I did a post about a lecture of Afghanistan and Iran she gave at New York University because her talk was outstanding.

What does this have to do with money?

I bet she got/gets the same lecture fee (which is high) she did before.



i dont think it is here but youre right it is a habit of imne and it doesnt always work

Ok.


95% of all news has devolved to tabloid status

I wouldn't say 95%,but way too much indeed has ,especially on the internet (which she got the worst of while she was recovering and probably still in shock) and I was critical about it here on DA and got lots of shit from the "no internet censorship whatsoever" crowd too.


i said it was impossible not that one should deal wth the shame

I think all the shame should go to the attacker and none to the victim.



youre a year or so older

More like five and half years older.





advocacy journalism

I see those words as a oxymoron and a paradox.

[queenlillian1962]

You totally make a difference:p.



No, I'm not, I'm implying that I'm telling you guys the obvious.

That's good cause IMO you'd suck at it; although the thought did make me laugh.

[fat mike]

This is not quiet time/down time for me,this is a very busy time for me and I don't have lots of unlimited internet time right now.
I'm just very busy right now.


im having fun with this -i wasnt complaining-i know you have a real life



Most people here aren't like that and that includes me.

This is my style.


i accept that-im only trying to explain my approach



What money?

film camera whatever-im not really cognoscenti



She gave an interview where she said what she thinks the motivations of her attackers were,then she gave a lecture about the attack and why she's going to speak more about it now.

She gave interviews and lectures long before this ,she'll give them long after this.

In fact,a few months ago I did a post about a lecture of Afghanistan and Iran she gave at New York University because her talk was outstanding.

What does this have to do with money?

theres always money



I bet she got/gets the same lecture fee (which is high) she did before.

more power to her-shes working-i dont object to her being paid=the whole point was
the motivation of whoever is footing the bill-but as i say im not cognoscenti



I wouldn't say 95%,but way too much indeed has ,especially on the internet (which she got the worst of while she was recovering and probably still in shock) and I was critical about it here on DA and got lots of shit from the "no internet censorship whatsoever" crowd too.

i dont agree with them either-i pulled 95% out of my caboose



I think all the shame should go to the attacker and none to the victim.

SHOULD. society has a different take than you or me-and nothing can change that



More like five and half years older.

lol im 54-i said half a centiury-im guilty generally of a lack of precision



I see those words as a oxymoron and a paradox.

:shrug:whichever side of the divide youre on -you know what distinguishes any journalist isnt his/her opinions on issues like this=
it goes to broader questions of character

anyway like i say im having funand i appreciate your attention

[Cyclone Ranger]

I see through your agenda to the truth. Democrats have always hated black people.
:rofl:

No, you've always hated blacks, as judged by your numerous racist remarks.

Democrats, on the other hand, fought hard to end segregation, marched with Martin Luther King and Medgar Evers, waged endless battles to increase racial diversity in the American workplace - and were repeatedly opposed by racist Republicans like Nixon and Hoover.

[Cyclone Ranger]

Are you implying your going to be a mod!!!:rofl:

Don't follow leaders. Just watch the parking meters.

[Farnsworth,Luther P.]

Guido was obviously sent by Mubarak to disrupt any serious Lara Logan thread. The man is pure evil, and democracy is washing over Egypt like turds down a toilet with him gone; it's a new day on the Nile, for sure, especially after cracking down on those evil Xian Copts. Nothing says 'Democracy, Peace, and Freedom' like a few church burnings and beatings of Xians.

Praise Allah and Lara Logan!

[GanjaFreebird]

Don't follow leaders. Just watch the parking meters.

:nice::nice:

[hadit]

Spin and bullshit.

Truth and veracity.


I haven't heard you sepak out against the conservatives here who harass liberals.

I don't have to. You said what I wrote was on par with what the KKK/Nazis said, and refused to prove it when I called you on it. Epic fail.


Nah, you and ilk just advocate they be ridiculed ,marginalized and subjugated.

Again, where did I say that? As far as ridicule, that's what happens here on a daily basis. It's par for the course, and yes, liberal ideas should be ridiculed.


That's why I call you guys neo-Nazis isnead of calling you guys Nazis.

You guys are not Nazis or KKK,you're just Nazi/KKK Lite.

Oh, I'm just all aquiver with excitement. :rolleyes:


Get the archives back up and I probably could do it.

What an excuse. No, you couldn't.


You guys hate us on a much lesser degree,but degrees don't matter too much in regards to the bottom line,hatred is still hatred.

FAUX VICTIM ALERT!


I am and I ment them as well as you.

Not my problem. They're big boys and can take care of themselves. You called me a neo-Nazi and can't back it up. Feel free to admit you were wrong.


Well,they've called me GF,CR and others some major shit and they share your views.

Again, a little evidence is in order. Obama and Hitler both used microphones. That doesn't make Obama a Nazi.


This is not quiet time/down time for me,this is a very busy time for me and I don't have lots of unlimited internet time right now.


Well, when you do, you can continue making unfounded accusations.

[Freedom&Liberty]

:rofl:

No, you've always hated blacks, as judged by your numerous racist remarks. Evidence?


Democrats, on the other hand, fought hard to end segregation, marched with Martin Luther King and Medgar Evers, waged endless battles to increase racial diversity in the American workplace - and were repeatedly opposed by racist Republicans like Nixon and Hoover.You also elected racist presidents like the father of the progressive movement, Woodrow Wilson and the racist Lyndon Johnson. The battles you've waged did nothing but create resentment and further the victim mentality of blacks, Of course, clear thinking people realize that this is exactly what your ilk intended. As long as liberals can keep blacks under government's thumb, they can count on their vote. Liberals have fought hard to make sure that blacks stay poor and stupid enough to be useful to their political agenda. Only an asshole would claim to be proud of these disgusting acts of racism.

[Truth Teller]

:rofl:

No, you've always hated blacks, as judged by your numerous racist remarks.

Democrats, on the other hand, fought hard to end segregation, marched with Martin Luther King and Medgar Evers, waged endless battles to increase racial diversity in the American workplace - and were repeatedly opposed by racist Republicans like Nixon and Hoover.
To be fair,some Republicans helped,back then some Republicans were real liberals before the GOP purged them out of the party.

If I'm not mistaken ,the first Republican to really use race was William F. Buckley when he ran for mayor of NYC.

Even then ,he spoke in code.


Guido was obviously sent by Mubarak to disrupt any serious Lara Logan thread.

Nah, Guido was alreay a liberal-hating,anti-Israeli ,terrorist sympathizer before this.

Guido posted on the Logan case sometime before I did,and his remarks then (obviously not "provoked" by me) were something sarcastic like "it's gross to think of that white ,Chrisitan chick being touched,fingered,kissed,licked ,fucked by Arabs",not verbatim ,but close.

When I called him on it, Guido said he wasn't being sarcastic about the attack,he was being saractic at the racism tword Arabs.:rolleyes:

He even once accused me of being racist about this ,though I have never,ever said one thing about race (or religion) and have shown exactly the same sympathy for Egyptians/Arabs victimized the same way in Egypt as I have Lara Logan.


democracy is washing over Egypt like turds down a toilet with him gone

No ,it's now "Meet the new boss,the same as the old boss".

And no one said Mubarak did it,but people who were pro-Mubarak did it ,they are still in power and I think that is why nothing has been done about her attack.


Praise Allah and Lara Logan!

:cuckoo:

[hadit]

If I'm not mistaken ,the first Republican to really use race was William F. Buckley when he ran for mayor of NYC.

Even then ,he spoke in code.

MIND READER ALERT!

[Truth Teller]

CR,were you in NYC when Buckley ran?

Am I right?

[Farnsworth,Luther P.]

Evidence?

You also elected racist presidents like the father of the progressive movement, Woodrow Wilson and the racist Lyndon Johnson. The battles you've waged did nothing but create resentment and further the victim mentality of blacks, Of course, clear thinking people realize that this is exactly what your ilk intended. As long as liberals can keep blacks under government's thumb, they can count on their vote. Liberals have fought hard to make sure that blacks stay poor and stupid enough to be useful to their political agenda. Only an asshole would claim to be proud of these disgusting acts of racism.

Lyndon Johnson was an activist against discrimination before he ever even got into politics. As a school teacher just out of college he was disgusted by the treatment Mexican Americans were getting, especially the lack of medical care and decent housing and spent the rest of his life as a populist fighting for not only white farmers but Latino and black people. The Wonderful Kennedys did jack shit except lip service and credit stealing, while Johnson and Rayburn bullied, cajoled, and did whatever it took to get their platforms enacted, and stood up to brie and chardonnay Democrats and fought them tooth and nail, getting the Voting Rights Acts, the Civil Rights Act, and the Great Society programs that benefited so many Americans to this day passed in the toughest legislative battles against Socialism Only For the Rich this country has ever seen, excepting a few of Roosevelt's battles, while piss ants like yourself do everything you can to shit on this country and its people, entirely out of spite and contempt for people born without silver feet in their mouths, like yourself and your fellow sociopathic buffoon George W.

Neither you nor CR are worthy enough to suck his dirty socks. The vast majority of Republicans are just sniveling little brats who get their tiny little nuts off kicking people who are down, and always from a distance

[Truth Teller]

film camera whatever-im not really cognoscenti

Ah,I don't think we're talking big bucks here.:shrug:


more power to her-shes working-i dont object to her being paid=the whole point was
the motivation of whoever is footing the bill-but as i say im not cognoscenti

If she agrees to it (she obviously is) ,then she's in part footing the bill as well.

That's her choice ,isn't it?




society has a different take than you or me

Actually ,that has changed in major ways in this year alone, and she and her openess is a major reason that has changed in just this year,and that's another reason why I admire her.

She said she was only to going to give two interviews at first (to the NY Times and 60 Minutes ) because she didn't want to be "defined" by the attack,but now I think (in a very short time,no less) she understands that one isn't defined by what is done to them ,but one is defined by what they do about it.

And again,we don't know if anything might be going on behind the secnes,it's possible the State Department asked her not to say much then and has asked her to say more now.



lol im 54

You didn't say that.





:shrug:whichever side of the divide youre on -you know what distinguishes any journalist isnt his/her opinions on issues like this=
it goes to broader questions of character

I think by insisting her story be told ,and by telling it the way she has, she has more than passed the character test.

[Farnsworth,Luther P.]

So much for your lack of character. You obviously have very low standards. Is that your Daddy's fault, too?

[Freedom&Liberty]

Lyndon Johnson was an activist against discrimination before he ever even got into politics. As a school teacher just out of college he was disgusted by the treatment Mexican Americans were getting, especially the lack of medical care and decent housing and spent the rest of his life as a populist fighting for not only white farmers but Latino and black people. The Wonderful Kennedys did jack shit except lip service and credit stealing, while Johnson and Rayburn bullied, cajoled, and did whatever it took to get their platforms enacted, and stood up to brie and chardonnay Democrats and fought them tooth and nail, getting the Voting Rights Acts, the Civil Rights Act, and the Great Society programs that benefited so many Americans to this day passed in the toughest legislative battles against Socialism Only For the Rich this country has ever seen, excepting a few of Roosevelt's battles, while piss ants like yourself do everything you can to shit on this country and its people, entirely out of spite and contempt for people born without silver feet in their mouths, like yourself and your fellow sociopathic buffoon George W.

Neither you nor CR are worthy enough to suck his dirty socks. The vast majority of Republicans are just sniveling little brats who get their tiny little nuts off kicking people who are down, and always from a distanceYou're a chump, Farny.

"I'll have those ******* voting Democratic for the next 200 years." -- Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One Ronald Kessler's "Inside The White House"

"These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.” -- LBJ

"This civil rights program about which you have heard so much is a farce and a sham--an effort to set up a police state in the guise of liberty. I am opposed to that program. I fought it in the Congress. It is the province of the state to run its own elections. I am opposed to the anti-lynching bill because the Federal Government has no business enacting a law against one kind of murder than another...(And) if a man can tell you who you must hire, he can tell you who not to employ. I have met this head on." Austin, Texas May 22, 1948 quoted in Quotations from Chairman LBJ, Simon and Schuster, NY 1968

[Farnsworth,Luther P.]

Yawn. And yet his voting record and water carrying for immensely unpopular legislation provide actual proof of his achievements, while you got nothing but hearsay and innuendo. George Wallace was also a 'racist', yet he forced populist legislation through his state that helped blacks and minorities more than any other Governor did, and even got the endorsement of the NAACP.

Too bad you're an ignorant ass with nothing but bullshit to hang your beany on.

[Cyclone Ranger]

CR,were you in NYC when Buckley ran?

Am I right?
I was in NYC when LaGuardia was in office.

[Cyclone Ranger]

"I'll have those ******* voting Democratic for the next 200 years." -- Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One Ronald Kessler's "Inside The White House"
He probably never said that.....in any event, it's just hearsay.

[Freedom&Liberty]

You think vote buying is hearsay? BWaaahahahah!!!!!!!11!111

Look at the lefties, still sucking the racist shit from LBJ's ass. You are what you eat.

[fat mike]

You think vote buying is hearsay? BWaaahahahah!!!!!!!11!111

Look at the lefties, still sucking the racist shit from LBJ's ass. You are what you eat.

to be precise cr saying he didn't think lbj said that isnt the same as saying he didnt believe in "vote buying"
i wouldnt characterize whatever deal it was lbj sold us as vote buying and i dont think the blacks did
the blacks suffered before the dems paid attention to them and while there are "welfare plantations"
there are also a lot more educated and middle class blacks than there were before the patronage and remedial legislation=
a lot of the republcan blacks owe their wealth and lifestyle to the breaks they recieved under lbj and his cronies

[Freedom&Liberty]

Blacks would have achieved a better result without LBJ. Over time the civil rights act has only served to slow their progress.

[fat mike]

Blacks would have achieved a better result without LBJ. Over time the civil rights act has only served to slow their progress.

blacks are still having a hard time-have you ever been down south? youve never seen actual prejudice? it does exist..
the bosses down south are mean and selfish-now we have some black bosses that are mean and selfish-but its the same old
dirty south-no justice

[86Dùde]

Some racism is actually justified IMO. When you live down to your worst stereotype then you get whatever label you've earned by doing it.

[GanjaFreebird]

Some racism is actually justified IMO. When you live down to your worst stereotype then you get whatever label you've earned by doing it.

But how is it one's fault that another person of his/her race is not behaving and acting upon the worst racial stereotypes?:confused: And if it's not the individual's fault, why should you justify ANY kind of racism against those individuals who do NOT act that way?:confused: What have THEY done to deserve any kind of racism, other than being born with whatever color of skin?:confused:

[86Dùde]

Well, the answer to your last question is that they do not deserve it.

[Freedom&Liberty]

blacks are still having a hard time-have you ever been down south? youve never seen actual prejudice? it does exist..
the bosses down south are mean and selfish-now we have some black bosses that are mean and selfish-but its the same old
dirty south-no justiceI've lived in the Atlanta area since 1982 and Florida before that. I typically work for major corporations and I've seen no prejudice. Blacks are treated fairly by management.

[Cyclone Ranger]

I've lived in the Atlanta area since 1982 and Florida before that. I typically work for major corporations and I've seen no prejudice. Blacks are treated fairly by management.

A quick review of the EEOC's current case load should be enough to make short work of that argument.

For example, at one RAND Corp warehouse, David Duke videos were shown and Klan literature freely dispensed in the employee break room, pro-lynching graffiti was allowed to remain on the walls, etc.

[Cyclone Ranger]

Blacks would have achieved a better result without LBJ. Over time the civil rights act has only served to slow their progress.
:rofl:

[fat mike]

I've lived in the Atlanta area since 1982 and Florida before that. I typically work for major corporations and I've seen no prejudice. Blacks are treated fairly by management.

educated people might be treatd fairly

[jwreck]

blacks are still having a hard time-have you ever been down south? youve never seen actual prejudice? it does exist..
the bosses down south are mean and selfish-now we have some black bosses that are mean and selfish-but its the same old
dirty south-no justiceYou should really give this bullshit a rest you lying sack o shit.

[Dick Tator]

blacks are still having a hard time-have you ever been down south? youve never seen actual prejudice? it does exist..
the bosses down south are mean and selfish-now we have some black bosses that are mean and selfish-but its the same old
dirty south-no justice

Sooo... doesn't that mean that there is equality now?

[Ice Pick]

This whole thread went nowhere since post number two. :p

[Freedom&Liberty]

A quick review of the EEOC's current case load should be enough to make short work of that argument.

For example, at one RAND Corp warehouse, David Duke videos were shown and Klan literature freely dispensed in the employee break room, pro-lynching graffiti was allowed to remain on the walls, etc.Only an idiot would think they could change that through forced hiring, dumbass. Asking the federal government to alter the employer playing field based on skin color is JUST as racist as what happened at RAND. If you want change, how about earning votes instead of using government to buy them from demographic groups.

[Cyclone Ranger]

That's exactly what's changing it: the EEOC's lawsuit, moron.

The only thing they hate worse than racial minorities is paying millions in fines.

[Freedom&Liberty]

What you aren't getting is that forcing it down their throats will only create more resentment. Liberals are too fucking stupid and vote greedy to realize that change has to occur freely and without coercion to be effective.

[Cyclone Ranger]

While that certainly may be true, they were filled with resentment long before the EEOC.

It's better to be resented and employed than resented and jobless.

[Freedom&Liberty]

How many jobs will those millions in fines cost? Think much?

[Cyclone Ranger]

Specifically, it will cost the jobs of the pro-Klan managers who allowed it to happen. Good riddance.

[Freedom&Liberty]

Perhaps and dozens of other innocent employees as well. As usual, you will have used the force of government to create even more problems.

[Cyclone Ranger]

BS. A mega-corporation financed by the US military is not going to be laying off dozens of employees because they're hit with a million dollar judgment.

And, if they don't like it, they should stop breaking the law.

[Freedom&Liberty]

I think I understand the problem now. You're an idiot.

[Cyclone Ranger]

Ooooh, that hurts coming from a genius like you. :rofl:

[86Dùde]

Thanks for your enlightenment grand poo poo.

[Cyclone Ranger]

You're welcome.

[fat mike]

You should really give this bullshit a rest you lying sack o shit.

you know i cut you a lot of slack because of your special needs but some day youll meet someone not
so kind

[jwreck]

you know i cut you a lot of slack because of your special needs but some day youll meet someone not
so kindYou wish. Lying sack o shit.

[Šñøü†ê®]

jwreck, sorry I accidentally hit the thanks button for that fat retarded troll known as fat mike. Total agreement with your comment though. Fat mike is a lying sack o shit and a jealous, satanic butt munch. Butt...we all already knew that! :p

Good God, Cowpunk still posts around here. :p

[Freedom&Liberty]

Yes, but not well.

[Cyclone Ranger]

I'm not Cowpunk.

[hadit]

You wish. Lying sack o shit.

I've never known FM to lie.

[jwreck]

I've never known FM to lie.Then you haven't been paying attention.

[86Dùde]

This thread is odd.

[Truth Teller]

This is for fat mike:

Lara Logan gave another interview recently about all of this,she said that it's important to her "that people know I'm not afraid to talk about what they did to me".

That she originally came forward only because other female journalists had no one to adovcate for them and that she exepcted to be villified for doing so(which some people did).

What shocked her was the worldwide support she got ,not only from the journalistic community ,but from people from all walks of life including both male and female survivors of sexual assualt.

She said that bcause her network CBS gave her full support ,than means men and women in similar situations can tell their employers "CBS gave full support to Lara Logan,why aren't you doing the same for me?"

She also said that she inded her advocacy was to be for journalists ,but after male and female sexual assault surviviors came up to her and told her their stories,she she said that has to be an advocate for all sexual assault surviviors period.

She has said she can't turn her back on anybody who has been through that (and this is in addition to her job and to making time for her husband and kids).

Logan said she knows there's a fine line between her original refusal to talk about it outside of two interviews and her current decision to talk more about it and to be even more candid.

Logan said he she hopes to find that fine line between not taking about it at all and talking about it too much: "I just don't want it to look like ,you know ,every time you turn around there she is talking about it".

As for what started this discussion between you and me,I have someone close to me who was sexually assaulted and who works with sexual assault survivors,she also admires Lara Logan.

She and I were talking about all of this the other night ,and she said that Lara Logan has got contacts,sources and resourcres literally all over the world,it's pretty reasonable to think she'd use those resources to find out the who,why,what and where of her attack.

I never thought of that before ,but that makes sense,that she would use her sources/contacts to find out what she can,and what she said about being deliberately set up is probably the result of that.

[fat mike]

You should really give this bullshit a rest you lying sack o shit.

its not the same old dirty south? and even if you think im wrong where is the lie?

[fat mike]

This is for fat mike:

I never thought of that before ,but that makes sense,that she would use her sources/contacts to find out what she can,and what she said about being deliberately set up is probably the result of that.

when i first looked at the thread it looked on teh face of it like another sensationalistic clamor taking advantage of an unfortunate young girl-i still feel like media is full of people without morals or integrity,i still feel like this is an unfortunate young girl but im not saying i disagree wth you

[Truth Teller]

when i first looked at the thread it looked on teh face of it like another sensationalistic clamor taking advantage of an unfortunate young girl-i still feel like media is full of people without morals or integrity,i still feel like this is an unfortunate young girl but im not saying i disagree wth you

She's 40 years old (which makes her a woman,not a girl) and has spent half her life in war zones(not to mention growing up in South Africa during apartheid),she is not naive.

Even her detractors (and there are some ) have called her lots of things, but never naive.