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Dreamy
10-29-2011, 08:47 PM
Why are the OWS groups apparently more angry and focused on bitching and protesting about big business corruption,tax breaks,tax loopholes etc.... ? In truth BIG government,elected by the citizens of this country is what gives corporations and lobbyists all their power and advantage and the ability to get away with certain practices.
When will the stupid ass American voters realize they hold the solution to what they bitch about in these groups? Wake the hell up and vote smart and intelligently.
AtariTeenageSuicide
10-29-2011, 08:50 PM
voters [people] are irrational.
Dick Tator
10-29-2011, 08:56 PM
Not to mention that big business can't force you to buy their product... Big government can force you, though. *cough*ObamaCare*cough*
Dreamy
10-29-2011, 09:15 PM
If I was the owner of a large company why would I not take advantage of all the government will do for my business? Do not the poor do the same with EBT cards and other giveaways? These OWS people are totally missing the source of the problem. Banks and business can only "get away" with what our laws and government allows and that government is elected by us.
DamnYankee
10-29-2011, 10:11 PM
Not to mention that big business can't force you to buy their product... Big government can force you, though. *cough*ObamaCare*cough*
Exactly, just as I have said before. Business, has no authority over the people. It's only when gov't becomes involved, can harm come to the people.
DamnYankee
10-29-2011, 10:13 PM
If I was the owner of a large company why would I not take advantage of all the government will do for my business? Do not the poor do the same with EBT cards and other giveaways? These OWS people are totally missing the source of the problem. Banks and business can only "get away" with what our laws and government allows and that government is elected by us.
Direct hit.
Big business can inflict upon the people what the gov't allows.
Dick Tator
10-29-2011, 10:40 PM
Direct hit.
Big business can inflict upon the people what the gov't allows.
I would say what the government forces... Because... Someplace like Walmart can't force shit on me if I'm voluntarily exchanging money for their products. The only time they are inflicting anything on me is if there is an element of force, which there is not. Government holds a monopoly on legal force, therefore it stands to reason that if anybody is inflicting anything... it's government.
A good example is car insurance. Progressive isn't forcing me to have a policy with them or anyone else. Government is, granted they didn't say WHICH company I had to use. But it's only a small step from "Buy this product" to "Buy this product from there".
Why are the OWS groups apparently more angry and focused on bitching and protesting about big business corruption,tax breaks,tax loopholes etc.... ? In truth BIG government,elected by the citizens of this country is what gives corporations and lobbyists all their power and advantage and the ability to get away with certain practices.
When will the stupid ass American voters realize they hold the solution to what they bitch about in these groups? Wake the hell up and vote smart and intelligently.
Big government AND big business both suck. And when business invades government and floods it with billions of dollars to influence policies than it becomes a problem.
You need to connect the dots. Citizens United just gave corporations the rights of people.
My only question is this, if people can get the death penalty (something all the right wingers love) then why can't corporations?
86Důde
10-30-2011, 03:32 PM
I say we just burn it all and let god sort it out.
Freedom&Liberty
10-30-2011, 03:35 PM
Big government AND big business both suck. And when business invades government and floods it with billions of dollars to influence policies than it becomes a problem.
You need to connect the dots. Citizens United just gave corporations the rights of people.Elect people who will end that shit.
My only question is this, if people can get the death penalty (something all the right wingers love) then why can't corporations?They can. Stop buying their stuff and they will die.
I would say what the government forces... Because... Someplace like Walmart can't force shit on me if I'm voluntarily exchanging money for their products. The only time they are inflicting anything on me is if there is an element of force, which there is not. Government holds a monopoly on legal force, therefore it stands to reason that if anybody is inflicting anything... it's government.
A good example is car insurance. Progressive isn't forcing me to have a policy with them or anyone else. Government is, granted they didn't say WHICH company I had to use. But it's only a small step from "Buy this product" to "Buy this product from there".
What you fail to understand is that Government and Big Business go hand in hand. You have situations in which drug companies are forcing laws regulating what drugs can or cannot be on the market. I would add that the USDA policies are influenced by corporations such as Monsanto to only allow farmers to plant genetically modified foods. They are injecting bovine growth hormones into cattle which is causing girls to become sexually mature at younger ages. This also leads to types of cancers unknown in previous eras.
The business are using their influence to skirt environmental laws, dumping toxins into the air and water, killing off species and poisoning whole communities. Meanwhile they are seeking to limit torts or otherwise eliminate them so that the public cannot sue corporations for public nuisances.
Connect the dots.
Elect people who will end that shit.
They can. Stop buying their stuff and they will die.
1 Overcoming public ignorance is difficult. Most americans care more about who will be on dancing with the stars than their next president. We live in a sound byte culture. The corporate media aid not giving the facts and with Citizens United this level of ignorance will get worse. And furthermore we are not funding our schools
This is why OWS is important
2 Boycots are a good start but when wal mart has a corner on the cheap goods market and people are on budgets this is difficult
Connect the dots
Freedom&Liberty
10-30-2011, 04:05 PM
The public is only as ignorant as government pays them to be. That's the cycle that has be broken for things to improve.
9ball8
10-30-2011, 05:35 PM
The public needs to wake up. The power lays in the primaries, rather than the general election.
From the right, the Republican Party could be taken over by "smalls", a short title. The smalls go for both small government and small business. Big business is acknowledged for it's positive contributions, but smalls are skeptical of big money influence. Their platform provides what small amount of gov't resources are available, to the small business sector instead of the biggies. A significant portion of prosecution monies are reserved for sting operations and other controls against bad actors in the business sector. Since the enforcement agency is mostly self-funded by fines and liquidations, they naturally go after the bigger companies first.
From the left, the program pretty much resembles the "smalls" as far as the business policy. From the gov't. side, winning primary candidates all back campaign finance reform, which is later passed. Elections are paid from a general fund. Lobbying is still permitted, but any documentation that supports legislation is subject to anonymity. An independent agency receives all lobbying material, then removes information which identifies the source before it can be used by members of Congress. This helps ensure that legislation benefits the general welfare, rather than a specific business or other organization. Citizens United is overturned by an amendment, debated and passed in bipartisan fashion. The amendment specifies the rights of business, as well as their obligations to the general welfare, and sanctions for failure to observe laws and regulations.
Of course, I'd prefer the second option, but the "smalls" solution would still be a huge improvement over what we have now.
The public is only as ignorant as government pays them to be. That's the cycle that has be broken for things to improve.
Hence the OWS movement. This is ordinary americans who want to give a big (proverbial) kick in the nuts to Wall Street, big business and yes big government.
We are calling on all American to get up off their asses and learn the truth. Wall Street is not your fucking amigo! Wall Street sold out their amigos. (to paraphrase Reservoir Dogs.)
The public needs to wake up. The power lays in the primaries, rather than the general election.
From the right, the Republican Party could be taken over by "smalls", a short title. The smalls go for both small government and small business. Big business is acknowledged for it's positive contributions, but smalls are skeptical of big money influence. Their platform provides what small amount of gov't resources are available, to the small business sector instead of the biggies. A significant portion of prosecution monies are reserved for sting operations and other controls against bad actors in the business sector. Since the enforcement agency is mostly self-funded by fines and liquidations, they naturally go after the bigger companies first.
From the left, the program pretty much resembles the "smalls" as far as the business policy. From the gov't. side, winning primary candidates all back campaign finance reform, which is later passed. Elections are paid from a general fund. Lobbying is still permitted, but any documentation that supports legislation is subject to anonymity. An independent agency receives all lobbying material, then removes information which identifies the source before it can be used by members of Congress. This helps ensure that legislation benefits the general welfare, rather than a specific business or other organization. Citizens United is overturned by an amendment, debated and passed in bipartisan fashion. The amendment specifies the rights of business, as well as their obligations to the general welfare, and sanctions for failure to observe laws and regulations.
Of course, I'd prefer the second option, but the "smalls" solution would still be a huge improvement over what we have now.
Good assessment but one minor correction. We on the left are for small government. We just want a government that works with us and not against us.
Case in point, the city where I live has red light camera enforcements. Now they are proposing speed cameras. When will this shit end! This is NOT what we in the OWS want. We do not want more police, more military or more prisons. We want our mutherfucking freedom and we want it now!
hadit
10-30-2011, 07:36 PM
Hence the OWS movement. This is ordinary americans who want to give a big (proverbial) kick in the nuts to Wall Street, big business and yes big government.
We are calling on all American to get up off their asses and learn the truth. Wall Street is not your fucking amigo! Wall Street sold out their amigos. (to paraphrase Reservoir Dogs.)
So why are you leaving George Soros alone? You have no credibility if you ignore him.
hadit
10-30-2011, 07:38 PM
Good assessment but one minor correction. We on the left are for small government. We just want a government that works with us and not against us.
Case in point, the city where I live has red light camera enforcements. Now they are proposing speed cameras. When will this shit end! This is NOT what we in the OWS want. We do not want more police, more military or more prisons. We want our mutherfucking freedom and we want it now!
You can't have a small government and have a government that forces everyone else to pay for your healthcare and your college tuition as well as force companies to hire and keep non-productive people. It just ain't gonna happen.
9ball8
10-30-2011, 10:02 PM
You can't have a small government and have a government that forces everyone else to pay for your healthcare and your college tuition as well as force companies to hire and keep non-productive people. It just ain't gonna happen.
That is the standard response by conservatives, and it sounds sensible at first hearing. But why won't voters give them clear majority? Take health care for example. Here is the Republican's plan, counter to "Obamacare":
http://stanleyfeldmdmace.typepad.com/repairing_the_healthcare_/2009/06/republican-healthcare-proposal-executive-summary-part-1.html
Quote from article:
"What will the premium be for those with preexisting illnesses? Will the premiums be higher for patients with preexisting illnesses? The high risk pool premiums have been very expensive.
• Creates a non‐profit, independent board to risk adjust among participating insurance companies to penalize companies that “cherry pick” health patients and reward insurers that encourage prevention/wellness and cover patients with pre‐existing conditions. "
In other words, the gov't. is expected to subsidize for profit companies that cover patients with pre-existing conditions. Not very conservative with gov't resources, when one thinks about it. If the conservatives had truly bitten the bullet they would have proposed regional non-profits. Non-profits can cut out the much of the 12-30% for-profit overhead, when insuring pre-existing conditions. Perhaps supporting a socialist-y non-profit system offends the Republicans' sense of capitalism. Too bad, since they could have undercut the Dem plan with a viable alternative, and started a potential gov't-busting non-profit system.
But they opted for the corporate welfare version, instead. Maybe that is what outrages the OWS folks about Big Government: One party wants to subsidize a bloated corporate business sector, while the other party wants to subsidize a bloated gov't. sector. Not much of a choice.
Dick Tator
10-30-2011, 10:09 PM
That is the standard response by conservatives, and it sounds sensible at first hearing. But why won't voters give them clear majority? Take health care for example. Here is the Republican's plan, counter to "Obamacare":
http://stanleyfeldmdmace.typepad.com/repairing_the_healthcare_/2009/06/republican-healthcare-proposal-executive-summary-part-1.html
Quote from article:
"What will the premium be for those with preexisting illnesses? Will the premiums be higher for patients with preexisting illnesses? The high risk pool premiums have been very expensive.
• Creates a non‐profit, independent board to risk adjust among participating insurance companies to penalize companies that “cherry pick” health patients and reward insurers that encourage prevention/wellness and cover patients with pre‐existing conditions. "
In other words, the gov't. is expected to subsidize for profit companies that cover patients with pre-existing conditions. Not very conservative with gov't resources, when one thinks about it. If the conservatives had truly bitten the bullet they would have proposed regional non-profits. Non-profits can cut out the much of the 12-30% for-profit overhead, when insuring pre-existing conditions. Perhaps supporting a socialist-y non-profit system offends the Republicans' sense of capitalism. Too bad, since they could have undercut the Dem plan with a viable alternative, and started a potential gov't-busting non-profit system.
But they opted for the corporate welfare version, instead. Maybe that is what outrages the OWS folks about Big Government: One party wants to subsidize a bloated corporate business sector, while the other party wants to subsidize a bloated gov't. sector. Not much of a choice.
I think most of the proposals are too much too soon, especially considering we've not done simple things like a bit of tort reform and allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines. That being said, I have absolutely nothing against nonprofits and cooperatives. Indeed, if you think it would work out, I fully support you starting one.
hadit
10-31-2011, 07:59 AM
I think most of the proposals are too much too soon, especially considering we've not done simple things like a bit of tort reform and allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines. That being said, I have absolutely nothing against nonprofits and cooperatives. Indeed, if you think it would work out, I fully support you starting one.
I too am an advocate of cooperatives, as I grew up with one. We called it Brotherhood Sharing, and it allowed many poor farmers to purchase low cost catastrophic care insurance that otherwise would have had to purchase much more expensive coverage.
Freedom&Liberty
10-31-2011, 08:34 AM
Hence the OWS movement. This is ordinary americans who want to give a big (proverbial) kick in the nuts to Wall Street, big business and yes big government.
We are calling on all American to get up off their asses and learn the truth. Wall Street is not your fucking amigo! Wall Street sold out their amigos. (to paraphrase Reservoir Dogs.)That's nonsense, CD. OWS wants a bigger government that can hand out bigger checks to more people. Wall Street wants to contribute to political candidates who will promote business.
This isn't rocket science. It's a classic battle for and against entitlement spending -
OWS - Give me more
Wall Street - Stop taking so much.
Freedom&Liberty
10-31-2011, 08:35 AM
That is the standard response by conservatives, and it sounds sensible at first hearing. But why won't voters give them clear majority? .Because liberals are paying them not to.
9ball8
10-31-2011, 09:34 PM
Because liberals are paying them not to.
Another possibility: because conservative proposals to allow the largest corporations to go unregulated scares the shit out of almost all voters.
Ponycar_302
10-31-2011, 10:49 PM
Not to mention that big business can't force you to buy their product... Big government can force you, though. *cough*ObamaCare*cough*
Sure they can. That medical insurance in Obamacare is private company insurance you're forced to buy. Hardly surprising since the medical lobby wrote the bill though.
Vader
11-01-2011, 01:03 AM
Why are the OWS groups apparently more angry and focused on bitching and protesting about big business corruption,tax breaks,tax loopholes etc.... ? In truth BIG government,elected by the citizens of this country is what gives corporations and lobbyists all their power and advantage and the ability to get away with certain practices.
When will the stupid ass American voters realize they hold the solution to what they bitch about in these groups? Wake the hell up and vote smart and intelligently.
More right-wing nazi hate speech.
Vader
11-01-2011, 01:05 AM
That's nonsense, CD. OWS wants a bigger government that can hand out bigger checks to more people. Wall Street wants to contribute to political candidates who will promote business.
This isn't rocket science. It's a classic battle for and against entitlement spending -
OWS - Give me more
Wall Street - Stop taking so much.
Your spewage here is unadulterated bullshit (like most mindless right-wing hate spreaders). The OWS want business an government seperated and they want business held responsible for the reprehinsibly bad behavior. Nothing more.
Since you clearly do not have any idea what the hell you're talking about it would be best for you to stop spewing your mindless bullshit.
Vader
11-01-2011, 01:06 AM
Because liberals are paying them not to.
More lies by the right and its zombies.
hadit
11-01-2011, 11:38 AM
More right-wing nazi hate speech.
Evidence?
hadit
11-01-2011, 11:39 AM
Your spewage here is unadulterated bullshit (like most mindless right-wing hate spreaders). The OWS want business an government seperated and they want business held responsible for the reprehinsibly bad behavior. Nothing more.
Since you clearly do not have any idea what the hell you're talking about it would be best for you to stop spewing your mindless bullshit.
You obviously have no idea what the fleabaggers are demanding.
Freedom&Liberty
11-01-2011, 11:59 AM
Don't worry about Vader, Hadit. He's just comic relief.
302Riz
11-01-2011, 01:31 PM
Which one of the buttons on Vader's kkkostume calls his mom to pick him up from school?
So why are you leaving George Soros alone? You have no credibility if you ignore him.
George Soros funds Media Matters which is one of the few sources of progressive news out there. Soros is a fat cat but he is our fat cat. And we need a fat cat in our corner fighting for us.
God knows there are 100 like the Koch Brothers to every George Soros.
OWS - Give me more
Wall Street - Stop taking so much.
Actually its more like - OWS give some money to those who really need it, the poor and the working class and those who are unemployed so they can get enough to eat.
Wall Street- Fuck those people who cant afford to live. Let them all die. Give US the money so we can send more money to our investors in China and build a few sweatshops over there.
hadit
11-02-2011, 08:27 AM
George Soros funds Media Matters which is one of the few sources of progressive news out there. Soros is a fat cat but he is our fat cat. And we need a fat cat in our corner fighting for us.
God knows there are 100 like the Koch Brothers to every George Soros.
Total hypocrisy.
hadit
11-02-2011, 08:28 AM
Don't worry about Vader, Hadit. He's just comic relief.
Worry? Nah. He's easy to puncture.
Freedom&Liberty
11-02-2011, 08:39 AM
Actually its more like - OWS give some money to those who really need it, the poor and the working class and those who are unemployed so they can get enough to eat.
Wall Street- Fuck those people who cant afford to live. Let them all die. Give US the money so we can send more money to our investors in China and build a few sweatshops over there.Government shouldn't be doing either one, CD.
DamnYankee
11-02-2011, 09:09 AM
Actually its more like - OWS give some money to those who really need it, the poor and the working class and those who are unemployed so they can get enough to eat.
Wall Street- Fuck those people who cant afford to live.
Bullshit.
I guess you missed the one where the Shitbagger Party was bitching because poor, homeless, tramps were showing up and taking their food at the riots in NYC.
Dick Tator
11-02-2011, 10:56 AM
Actually its more like - OWS give some money to those who really need it, the poor and the working class and those who are unemployed so they can get enough to eat.
You mean they did that without government help!? How is this possible!? Nothing can get done without the government holding hands and wiping ass!!! :confused:
Government shouldn't be doing either one, CD.
But its not going to happen you see....
Big Money depends on the government. Is that simple. And the Republican party will continue to fund their corporate friends because the Republican Party and Big Money are one and the same!
Why why should the Republicans oppose corporate welfare when they are owned by Corporate America?
You mean they did that without government help!? How is this possible!? Nothing can get done without the government holding hands and wiping ass!!! :confused:
Well the Republicans are wiping the asses of their corporate masters while pointing their accusatory fingers at the rest of us.
You call yourself a libertarian, yes? Maybe you can see this for yourself.
Dick Tator
11-03-2011, 02:07 AM
Well the Republicans are wiping the asses of their corporate masters while pointing their accusatory fingers at the rest of us.
You call yourself a libertarian, yes? Maybe you can see this for yourself.
I can also see that you're a partisan hack as the Democrats are equally in the pocket of the corporations, if not more so.
I can also see that you're a partisan hack as the Democrats are equally in the pocket of the corporations, if not more so.
I am not a Democratic Party apologist. I actually have more scorn for the Democratic Party because they make the pretense of being in the corner of working people yet are often as corrupt as the Republicans.
Lets face it, the Republicans are the enemy of working folks. We all know this already. And they make no pretense of it.
But the Democrats are a different story. They are like a spouse who abuses his partner. We love them, we listen to their promises and when the beat us and abuse us we are in denial.
Maybe its time we stand up to them and say NEVER AGAIN!
THIS is what the Occupy Wall Street movement is all about!
Dick Tator
11-03-2011, 04:07 AM
I am not a Democratic Party apologist. I actually have more scorn for the Democratic Party because they make the pretense of being in the corner of working people yet are often as corrupt as the Republicans.
Yet you only called out the Republicans above. Interesting....
Lets face it, the Republicans are the enemy of working folks. We all know this already. And they make no pretense of it.
Honesty is a virtue. But let me ask you this... if Republicans love the rich and want rich people to vote for them, wouldn't it make sense for them to support policies that would make as many people as possible as rich as possible?
Transversely, if the Democrats want poor people to vote for them, wouldn't it make sense for them to support polices that would keep as many people as possible as poor as possible? This actually reminds me of a recent news article. http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/11/01/some-15-of-u-s-uses-food-stamps/
But the Democrats are a different story. They are like a spouse who abuses his partner. We love them, we listen to their promises and when the beat us and abuse us we are in denial.
At least you admit you're in denial.
Maybe its time we stand up to them and say NEVER AGAIN!
Stand up to whom? Never what again? You've still not identified the enemy or what you're really against.
THIS is what the Occupy Wall Street movement is all about!
I'm still not following you. You're all over the place and nowhere at the same time.
Dreamy
11-03-2011, 08:12 AM
Well the Republicans are wiping the asses of their corporate masters while pointing their accusatory fingers at the rest of us.
You call yourself a libertarian, yes? Maybe you can see this for yourself.
I disagree with your simplified and very partisan version of what is truly happening.
This may not be a brilliant insight, but it is surely an overlooked one. It is now an Individual vs. Corporate debate – and the Humans are losing.
Consider:
• Many of the regulations that govern energy and banking sector were written by Corporations;
• The biggest influence on legislative votes is often Corporate Lobbying;
• Corporate ability to extend copyright far beyond what original protections amounts to a taking of public works for private corporate usage;
• PAC and campaign finance by Corporations has supplanted individual donations to elections;
• The individuals’ right to seek redress in court has been under attack for decades, limiting their options.
• DRM and content protection undercuts the individual’s ability to use purchased content as they see fit;
• Patent protections are continually weakened. Deep pocketed corporations can usurp inventions almost at will;
• The Supreme Court has ruled that Corporations have Free Speech rights equivalent to people; (So much for original intent!)
None of these are Democrat/Republican [1] conflicts, but rather, are corporate vs. individual issues.
For those of you who are stuck in the old Left/Right debate, you are missing the bigger picture. Consider this about the Bailouts: It was a right-winger who bailed out all of the big banks, Fannie Mae, and AIG in the first place; then his left winger successor continued to pour more money into the fire pit.
What difference did the Left/Right dynamic make? Almost none whatsoever.
How about government spending? The past two presidents are regarded as representative of the Left Right paradigm – yet they each spent excessively, sponsored unfunded tax cuts, plowed money into military adventures and ran enormous deficits. Does Left Right really make a difference when it comes to deficits and fiscal responsibility? (Apparently not).
What does it mean when we can no longer distinguish between the actions of the left and the right? If that dynamic no longer accurately distinguishes what occurs, why are so many of our policy debates framed in Left/Right terms?
In many ways, American society is increasingly less married to this dynamic: Party Affiliation continues to fall, approval of Congress is at record lows, and voter participation hovers at very low rates.
There is some pushback already taking place against the concentration of corporate power: Mainstream corporate media has been increasingly replaced with user created content – YouTube and Blogs are increasingly important to news consumers (especially younger users). Independent voters are an increasingly larger share of the US electorate. And I suspect that much of the pushback against the Elizabeth Warren’s concept of a Financial Consumer Protection Agency plays directly into this Corporate vs. Individual fight.
But the battle lines between the two groups have barely been drawn. I expect this fight will define American politics over the next decade.
LINK (http://usawatchdog.com/democrats-vs-republicans-its-you-vs-corporations/)
Unless people stop with the left/right bickering the domestic "enemies" we have inside of our borders will continue to steamroll and snow us daily and election after election.
Freedom&Liberty
11-03-2011, 08:34 AM
Let's not forget that these evil corporations that CD hates employ tens of millions of people. Aren't they the working class?
hadit
11-03-2011, 08:39 AM
Let's not forget that these evil corporations that CD hates employ tens of millions of people. Aren't they the working class?
And who is the "working class" anyway? I would not trade my job for my CIO's job for anything. She works a heck of a lot harder and deals with a heck of a lot more pressure than just about anyone around here.
Let's not forget that these evil corporations that CD hates employ tens of millions of people. Aren't they the working class?
My neighbor down the street has a husband who drinks and there is a cop car all the time. They arrest the son of a bitch but he keeps getting released because she insists he is a good man and will not press charges. I guess she thinks it would be hard for her to live with out this man.
Somehow I see a connection, don't you?
And who is the "working class" anyway? I would not trade my job for my CIO's job for anything. She works a heck of a lot harder and deals with a heck of a lot more pressure than just about anyone around here.
Give me the goddam job! If it pays better than I will take it.
But really we cannot all have those lucrative high paying jobs. No matter how hard we try. Its the myth that the Corporatists try to sell us. The Pie in the Sky!
Dick Tator
11-03-2011, 11:59 PM
My neighbor down the street has a husband who drinks and there is a cop car all the time. They arrest the son of a bitch but he keeps getting released because she insists he is a good man and will not press charges. I guess she thinks it would be hard for her to live with out this man.
Bullshit. They don't require domestic violence victims to press charges anymore. The state does it for them. :not:
Dick Tator
11-04-2011, 12:01 AM
But really we cannot all have those lucrative high paying jobs. No matter how hard we try. Its the myth that the Corporatists try to sell us. The Pie in the Sky!
Wait... isn't that what the Occupy people are trying to tell us? Some pie in the sky bullshit that we can all do less and make more?
hadit
11-04-2011, 09:25 AM
Give me the goddam job! If it pays better than I will take it.
You have no idea what a high paying job like that requires from a person. You seem to think that anyone anywhere can just walk into any office and do any job and it's up to somebody else to just give it to them. There are reasons why such jobs pay a lot of money, and chief among them are the skill and experience required. Add to that the enormous pressure involved, knowing that every decision you make could cost people jobs, make or lose the company millions of dollars, or possibly land you in jail. And you HAVE to make those decisions.
But really we cannot all have those lucrative high paying jobs. No matter how hard we try. Its the myth that the Corporatists try to sell us. The Pie in the Sky!
That's exactly right. You CAN'T all have the highest paying jobs, because you are NOT all qualified to hold them. That is the ugly little secret you don't want to acknowledge. Jobs carry qualification requirements, and if you don't meet the qualifications, you can't have the job. If you want the job, meet the qualifications.
hadit
11-04-2011, 09:26 AM
Wait... isn't that what the Occupy people are trying to tell us? Some pie in the sky bullshit that we can all do less and make more?
Yup. They're simply demanding more without being willing to deserve more.
yingxuy
11-14-2011, 11:44 PM
We live in a sound-byte culture. Corporate media assistance, U.S. citizens are not ignorant of the facts and the level will become worse. In addition, we do not subsidize our schools
Vader
11-15-2011, 01:47 AM
Exactly, just as I have said before. Business, has no authority over the people. It's only when gov't becomes involved, can harm come to the people.
The government had to get involved to keep right-wing business fuckholes from raping the public to death. The government keeps people like you in check. LEARN TO LIKE IT.
hadit
11-15-2011, 07:14 AM
The government had to get involved to keep right-wing business fuckholes from raping the public to death. The government keeps people like you in check. LEARN TO LIKE IT.
For worse to be ground under the heel of a remorseless, unstoppable government than to be confronted with the choice between Coke and Pepsi. The horror, the horror.
Freedom&Liberty
11-15-2011, 08:40 AM
Another possibility: because conservative proposals to allow the largest corporations to go unregulated scares the shit out of almost all voters.No. It scares the shit out of most liberals.
Vader
11-22-2011, 01:25 AM
Let's not forget that these evil corporations that CD hates employ tens of millions of people. Aren't they the working class?
Yet more pro-republican propaganda.
Vader
11-22-2011, 01:26 AM
No. It scares the shit out of most liberals.
No, it scares EVERYBODY who is not a member of the Republican-theif class. We want business regulated because we do not want to be victimized by people like yourself.
Vader
11-22-2011, 01:27 AM
For worse to be ground under the heel of a remorseless, unstoppable government than to be confronted with the choice between Coke and Pepsi. The horror, the horror.
People with your same thought process once made children work 18 hours per day. The law exists to prevent people like you from committing acts of usery.
hadit
11-22-2011, 06:06 AM
People with your same thought process once made children work 18 hours per day. The law exists to prevent people like you from committing acts of usery.
Common sense child protection laws have nothing to do with giving government far too much control over every aspect of business. Power corrupts. You SHOULD know that.
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