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Manu
06-05-2001, 04:14 PM
Communication Breakdown
Report: Clinton, Gore Not on Speaking Terms

N E W Y O R K, June 5 — Former President Bill Clinton and his vice president Al Gore are now so estranged that they are no longer on speaking terms as of the end of May, according to an article in Vanity Fair magazine released Monday.



Contrary to conventional wisdom that their rift was sparked by the Monica Lewinsky scandal, the chill between Clinton and his vice president dates to much earlier days in their political partnership, sources in both camps said in the latest issue of the magazine.
According to Vanity Fair contributing editor Marjorie Williams, the popular image of the two men as good friends and confidants who enjoyed one of the closest working relationships ever between a president and vice president was never more than media hype that began during their first campaign together in 1992.

‘Clinton Drove Gore Nuts’

The schism between the two men has widely been attributed to Gore's bitterness over Clinton's affair with Lewinsky, the impeachment that followed and Gore's view that the scandal cost him the 2000 election.

But strains that burst into the open following Gore's razor-thin loss to George W. Bush had existed under the surface for a long time, Vanity Fair reported.

"Clinton drove Gore nuts," a former Gore aide told the magazine. "Gore's much more disciplined in terms of how he makes decisions and the way he demands things to happen. There's nothing more irritating as vice president than to be waiting around for a Clinton meeting that starts 45 minutes late."

A former White House official adds, "The idea that this relationship just went off the skids when Monica came along ... is wrong. It was all there, in a deep and profound way, long before Monica Lewinsky ever showed up."

Blaming Each Other?

According to another source with ties to both camps, the irreparable break came on June 16, 1999, the day Gore announced his candidacy. Appearing the same day in a Diane Sawyer interview, Gore said three times that the president's behavior had been "inexcusable."

"From then on, the antipathy was much more public," that source said. "It was a match on the huge pool of gasoline that had been accumulated."

For his part, Clinton rejected the assertion by Gore loyalists that Clinton-era scandals ultimately derailed Gore's White House ambitions. One Clinton confidant quoted the former president as saying, "[Hillary] was able to figure out how to deal with her relationship with me and win by 10 points [in her Senate race]. He should have been able to as well."




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CGord
06-05-2001, 08:13 PM
I think Gore's distancing himself from Clinton cost him the election. Had he been able to run, I think Clinton would've won a 3rd term handily.

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Fordman50
06-06-2001, 09:30 AM
Gore in 2004??

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Manu
06-06-2001, 11:27 AM
Eh, Gore had a decent shot before the election fiasco. Had he bowed out, and then GWB had a mediocre/decent presidency, Gore could have had a big advantage. 2004/Politics will be HARD for Gore to win.

Curt- Thing is, Gore says Clinton lost the election for him, but if Clinton 'could' have won another term, if Gore had embrace Clinton 100% and let Clinton campaign for him as Clinton wanted to, I think Gore would be in the white house right now.

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Turbostang
06-07-2001, 12:47 AM
"...and Sauron (Gore) was only less evil than Morgoth (Clinton) only in the sense that he served his master" - Silmarillion



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CGord
06-07-2001, 01:24 AM
Yes, agreed...Al should have kissed Clinton, not Tipper! http://discussanything.com/Ubb/wink.gif

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Powerboss
06-07-2001, 06:07 AM
Face it, Algore was a very weak candidate and made MANY blunders.

After all, according to most you guys, a dummy managed to beat him!

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CGord
06-12-2001, 10:17 AM
After all, according to most you guys, a dummy managed to beat him!

Decisively, too! LOL

92Notch
06-27-2001, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by CGord:
I think Gore's distancing himself from Clinton cost him the election. Had he been able to run, I think Clinton would've won a 3rd term handily.



No ..... I think he is done cashing in on Americas stupidity; he would not have won if it were possible for him to do so. Gore would have lost even worse if the election was run fairly (dead people should only have one vote, like the rest of us). I think America is finally waking up and realizing the most Democrats are lying thieves ... the scum of society. http://discussanything.com/Ubb/smile.gif http://discussanything.com/Ubb/smile.gif



[This message has been edited by 92Notch (edited 06-27-2001).]

PatTheAnarChrist
06-27-2001, 09:53 PM
Originally posted by 92Notch:
No ..... I think he is done cashing in on Americas stupidity; he would not have won if it were possible for him to do so. Gore would have lost even worse if the election was run fairly (dead people should only have one vote, like the rest of us). I think America is finally waking up and realizing the most Democrats are lying thieves ... the scum of society. http://discussanything.com/Ubb/smile.gif http://discussanything.com/Ubb/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by 92Notch (edited 06-27-2001).]

Greeeeaaaat, just one more flaming, irrational conservative...

-Patrick



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92Notch
06-28-2001, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by PatTheAnarChrist:
Greeeeaaaat, just one more flaming, irrational conservative...

-Patrick



it's all in good fun. I'm not irrational or flamming, pal. Just F'n around a little, like everyone else

D Durden
06-28-2001, 02:17 PM
92 . . . you forget young grasshoppa' . . . only the liberals may joke and have fun. Only THEY may be sarcastic, irrational, and flamish. If they are, it is called witty. However, we are called insensitive.

Much like this . . . If I scream "BLACK POWER", I'm a civil rights activist. If I yell "White Pride", I am a racist. See the difference, yet?

http://discussanything.com/Ubb/biggrin.gif http://discussanything.com/Ubb/biggrin.gif

92Notch
06-28-2001, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by D Durden:
92 . . . you forget young grasshoppa' . . . only the liberals may joke and have fun. Only THEY may be sarcastic, irrational, and flamish. If they are, it is called witty. However, we are called insensitive.

Much like this . . . If I scream "BLACK POWER", I'm a civil rights activist. If I yell "White Pride", I am a racist. See the difference, yet?

http://discussanything.com/Ubb/biggrin.gif http://discussanything.com/Ubb/biggrin.gif

LOL http://discussanything.com/Ubb/smile.gif http://discussanything.com/Ubb/smile.gif

PatTheAnarChrist
06-29-2001, 02:16 AM
Heh.

Regards,
Patrick

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"The difference between an individual terrorist and a government in some cases may be simply that the former has a bomb but doesn't have an air force."
-William Blum

74Mav
06-29-2001, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by 92Notch:
Gore would have lost even worse if the election was run fairly (dead people should only have one vote, like the rest of us http://discussanything.com/Ubb/smile.gif http://discussanything.com/Ubb/smile.gif



Let us not forget Wisconson college students as well....


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Bill Clinton
06-29-2001, 08:13 PM
Fuk Gore! He was nailing coeds left and right too. Who is he to judge me? I'll save your plannet boy! Bend over tree hugger!! http://discussanything.com/Ubb/mad.gif

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