God is so good.

[TopsyTurvy]

7UmotTE-VlY

:eek7: :rolleyes:

[Betrade]

I believe that God is good (and I'd have to explain what I mean by "God"), but killing tens of thousands of people isn't the act of a loving God.

Some people (like Miss asshole, asinine, moronic and idiotic; God is love Youtube cici above) are just stupid and totally naive; unwilling to think things through; etc. They make all people of faith look like idiots and buffoons; not to mention selfish, based on the notion that these deaths are something to celebrate.

I wonder if she's even serious though because her stupidity seems very overplayed to me. I seriously hope not.

[Dick Tator]

:eek7: :rolleyes:

Crazy Christians are harmless when compared to Crazy Muslims.

[Dick Tator]

I believe that God is good (and I'd have to explain what I mean by "God"), but killing tens of thousands of people isn't the act of a loving God.

Obviously you've never read the bible...


killings
God 2,476,633
Satan 10

[TopsyTurvy]

Crazy Christians are harmless when compared to Crazy Muslims.

Maybe.

[Dreamy]

7UmotTE-VlY

:eek7: :rolleyes:


God is good.


You Tubers are the crazy ones.:p

[lily]

Yeah, I think this girl is a troll. I've never seen her before, but that video comes across as so fake, and she appears to be someone whose entire channel is an act, as a way to mock Christians.

Lame, but then as Dreamy said, it's YouTube... Lots of idiocy, craziness and nastiness over there.

[Dick Tator]

Yeah, I think this girl is a troll. I've never seen her before, but that video comes across as so fake, and she appears to be someone whose entire channel is an act, as a way to mock Christians.

Lame, but then as Dreamy said, it's YouTube... Lots of idiocy, craziness and nastiness over there.

It's Toptimus trying to sound American. :p

[Dick Tator]

I wonder what the highest rated comment on that video is... :dry:

http://i1003.photobucket.com/albums/af151/dic_tator/Godisgood.png

[TopsyTurvy]

It's Toptimus trying to sound American. :p

I can only do a (bad) New Yoik accent.

[BadNews88]

Is it me...or does she carry the qualities of somebody who lost most of their brains with their last bowel movement???


Repent, sinners, REPENT!!!:rolleyes:






The Retired Badge # 88 has **SPOKEN!!**

[Betrade]

Yeah, I think this girl is a troll. I've never seen her before, but that video comes across as so fake, and she appears to be someone whose entire channel is an act, as a way to mock Christians.

Lame, but then as Dreamy said, it's YouTube... Lots of idiocy, craziness and nastiness over there.

Agreed. She probably hates Christians or something, or any people of faith for that matter.

That's what my gut and intuition are tellin' me on this one and I've learned over the years that they're very seldom wrong.

[Dick Tator]

agree. She probably hates Christians or something, or any people of faith for that matter.

That's what my gut and intuition are tellin' me on this one and I've learned that they're seldom wrong.

And it's likely backfired on her.... Which is deliciously ironic! :nice:

[TopsyTurvy]

Crazy Christians are harmless when compared to Crazy Muslims.

And syphilis is harmless when compared to HIV but I wouldn't like to get either.

[Dick Tator]

And syphilis is harmless when compared to HIV but I wouldn't like to get either.

Yes but if you HAD to choose one...

[TopsyTurvy]

Yes but if you HAD to choose one...

I dunno, any recommendations? :p

[Dreamy]

Yeah, I think this girl is a troll. I've never seen her before, but that video comes across as so fake, and she appears to be someone whose entire channel is an act, as a way to mock Christians.

Lame, but then as Dreamy said, it's YouTube... Lots of idiocy, craziness and nastiness over there.

She does appear to be a plant. How boring is one's life that they need to "act" to smear a certain group they dislike?

People who don't like Christians need to honestly give it up and get over it.

[Dick Tator]

She does appear to be a plant. How boring is one's life that they need to "act" to smear a certain group they dislike?

People who don't like Christians need to honestly give it up and get over it.

You could make a video pretending to be a Muslim saying similar shit. :)

[Dreamy]

You could make a video pretending to be a Muslim saying similar shit. :)

I could. :p Hey it fooled Tops.

[Lulu]

watched 30 seconds and found her annoying so I don't know what she had to say (and I don't care).

However, more importantly, if you are taping yourself and putting it on youtube, why would you look like such hell? Her hair looks like terrible & she's wearing no make up... it only takes a little effort.

[Dick Tator]

watched 30 seconds and found her annoying so I don't know what she had to say (and I don't care).

However, more importantly, if you are taping yourself and putting it on youtube, why would you look like such hell? Her hair looks like terrible & she's wearing no make up... it only takes a little effort.

I bet she has a cute little vulva!

[Dreamy]

Looking around it appears she is a troll.

http://christianchat.com/member.php?u=56501

http://www.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/g405c/video_of_tamtampamela_youtube_trolling_happening/

http://thedailywh.at/tag/tamtampamela/

She or talk about her is all over the web. lol

[86Dùde]

Leftist xian bashers really PISS me off.

[BadNews88]

However, more importantly, if you are taping yourself and putting it on youtube, why would you look like such hell? Her hair looks like terrible & she's wearing no make up... it only takes a little effort.

Wait a minute...how'd Joan Rivers get in here?:p


Ennyroad...MY take on Miz Nuckin' Futs, The Zombie:

Jesus Died For Your Sins...

Next He's Coming For Your Brains





The Retired Badge # 88 has **SPOKEN!!**

[optimus]

Leftist xian bashers really PISS me off.

Me too! Fkin leftist jeasus bashers! Praise Jeasus!

[lily]

v/364_VCNSVDA?fs

[Dreamy]

v/364_VCNSVDA?fs

lol I checked her out yesterday. You Tube troller. Yawn. She fooled the fools and the usual Christian critics.

I always do a search when someone seems like a plant.

[TopsyTurvy]

v/364_VCNSVDA?fs

Thanks for linking to that but I'm not convinced.

She's coming clean about what? She doesn't actually say. Admitting you were trolling to get people off your back (after someone posted your mailing address and phone number so no one bothers you) is a valid 'leave me alone' tactic.

I guess we'll see if other videos appear on another username after this has blown over.

I might be wrong of course but knowing some fundamentalist Christians do think like that and admit it on anonymous message boards makes me sceptical she isn't just covering her ass from repercussions after her details were posted online.

[Dreamy]

Thanks for linking to that but I'm not convinced.

She's coming clean about what? She doesn't actually say. Admitting you were trolling to get people off your back (after someone posted your mailing address and phone number so no one bothers you) is a valid 'leave me alone' tactic.

I guess we'll see if other videos appear on another username after this has blown over.

I might be wrong of course but knowing some fundamentalist Christians do think like that and admit it on anonymous message boards makes me sceptical she isn't just covering her ass from repercussions after her details were posted online.

The internet and YT is full of poseurs. Some are even here.

People pretending to be men are women,women are men,Jews are Christians,Christians are Muslims,Muslims are Jews,conservatives are liberals and liberals are cons.

The point? To disparage the group you most dislike or oppose. Often they use obvious unflattering stereotypical posts and rants while trolling.

This chick is a total fraud.

[TopsyTurvy]

The internet and YT is full of poseurs. Some are even here.

People pretending to be men are women,women are men,Jews are Christians,Christians are Muslims,Muslims are Jews,conservatives are liberals and liberals are cons.

The point? To disparage the group you most dislike or oppose. Often they use obvious unflattering stereotypical posts and rants while trolling.

This chick is a total fraud.

I agree people pretend but the circumstance of this 'coming out' seem a little bit suspect to me.

She's either a fraud because she was trolling or a fraud because of her U-turn to avoid repercussions. Either is possible.

[lily]

Thanks for linking to that but I'm not convinced.

She's coming clean about what? She doesn't actually say. Admitting you were trolling to get people off your back (after someone posted your mailing address and phone number so no one bothers you) is a valid 'leave me alone' tactic.

I guess we'll see if other videos appear on another username after this has blown over.

I might be wrong of course but knowing some fundamentalist Christians do think like that and admit it on anonymous message boards makes me sceptical she isn't just covering her ass from repercussions after her details were posted online.

She's coming clean about making troll videos - she stated she has been doing that for a while.

If you actually still think she's for real, that speaks volumes about your underlying contempt/bitterness for certain "christians".... I put that in quotes because no actual Christian thinks or acts the way she does.

Dreamy is exactly right.... The internet abounds with trolls, and evil people like her. We've had a few on this site. :rolleyes: People who like to play deceptive, underhanded games. They do it for "the lulz". Or in her case, because they are atheists who hate Christianity and Christians, and their sad little goal in life is to get people to disbelieve in God or Christianity. What better way to do that than to make Christians look horrible, like she did?

[TopsyTurvy]

She's coming clean about making troll videos - she stated she has been doing that for a while.

If you actually still think she's for real, that speaks volumes about your underlying contempt/bitterness for certain "christians".... I put that in quotes because no actual Christian thinks or acts the way she does.

Dreamy is exactly right.... The internet abounds with trolls, and evil people like her. We've had a few on this site. :rolleyes: People who like to play deceptive, underhanded games. They do it for "the lulz". Or in her case, because they are atheists who hate Christianity and Christians, and their sad little goal in life is to get people to disbelieve in God or Christianity. What better way to do that than to make Christians look horrible, like she did?

You're right certainly, no average Christian thinks like the things she posted, but fundamentalists do and promote it all the time (anonymously).

And atheists don't 'hate Christianity', disagreeing with something doesn't mean you hate it.

[jwreck]

Fraud or not the attitude exists. Katrina payback for gay pride parade? Anyone remember that?

[jwreck]

PS It's not exclusive to Christians. Little Eichman's in the WTC for example.

[TopsyTurvy]

PS It's not exclusive to Christians.

Absolutely.

[Dreamy]

You're right certainly, no average Christian thinks like the things she posted, but fundamentalists do and promote it all the time (anonymously).

And atheists don't 'hate Christianity', disagreeing with something doesn't mean you hate it.

Anonymously being the key word. You have no idea who they really are.
I can pose as a fundie in any faith and do as much trolling as the internet allows. Like I said there are poseurs with various scams going all over the net.some political,some religious,some social. I know people who post as liberals over at Dem Underground. They usually get busted sooner than later. YouTube is a great place for kidders and attention whores looking for their 15 minutes.

[TopsyTurvy]

Anonymously being the key word. You have no idea who they really are.
I can pose as a fundie in any faith and do as much trolling as the internet allows. Like I said there are poseurs with various scams going all over the net.some political,some religious,some social. I know people who post as liberals over at Dem Underground. They usually get busted sooner than later. YouTube is a great place for kidders and attention whores looking for their 15 minutes.

I'm not going to disagree with you, but, there are fundamentalist Christians (and Muslims too) sites that say the same stuff the girl in the video said.

They're not all trolls.

End times is pretty much the universal theory of Abrahamic religions.

Some just want it sooner than others.

[lily]

And atheists don't 'hate Christianity', disagreeing with something doesn't mean you hate it.

I didn't say all atheists. But there is a certain type of atheist who is really angry, bitter and hateful towards the God they don't believe in (which is kind of funny.... it would be like me exerting tons of energy against darth vader or the easter bunny) and Christians. The type that post on sites like infidels.org, and whose idols are people like Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens.

[TopsyTurvy]

I didn't say all atheists. But there is a certain type of atheist who is really angry, bitter and hateful towards the God they don't believe in (which is kind of funny.... it would be like me exerting tons of energy against darth vader or the easter bunny) and Christians. The type that post on sites like infidels.org, and whose idols are people like Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens.

Completely true, there are also certain types of Christians who are really angry, bitter and hateful towards people who don't share their beliefs too.

And you're right about Darth Vader and the Easter Bunny too, except there is as much evidence for those characters as there is for God (in the Abrahamic religious sense). So people denying them is (like you said) like you denying Darth Vader is the Lord of the Sith, can use the force and is therefore God.

No?

[Dreamy]

I'm not going to disagree with you, but, there are fundamentalist Christians (and Muslims too) sites that say the same stuff the girl in the video said.

They're not all trolls.

End times is pretty much the universal theory of Abrahamic religions.

Some just want it sooner than others.

Meh,I support freedom of religion and rarely care what other faiths or beliefs are saying unless they are using their faith to control or attack me.

Why do you even care what others say,real or plants?

[lily]

And you're right about Darth Vader and the Easter Bunny too, except there is as much evidence for those characters as there is for God (in the Abrahamic religious sense). So people denying them is (like you said) like you denying Darth Vader is the Lord of the Sith, can use the force and is therefore God.

No?

Sorry, but that's got to be the most foolish thing I have read all week. Seriously, not even worthy of an actual reply.

Nothing against you, just what you said, if that's what you honestly believe.

[TopsyTurvy]

Meh,I support freedom of religion and rarely care what other faiths or beliefs are saying unless they are using their faith to control or attack me.

Why do you even care what others say,real or plants?

Didn't you oppose Park51?

That's asinine anyway. I care what others say because I embrace other peoples opinions and don't think what one person or organisation thinks is the be all and end all of everything.

I might disagree or agree with them but everyone has an opinion and it's no more or less valid than mine.

I don't dismiss it completely because it conflicts with my ideals. Changing your opinion is part of being human.

Sticking to it and not listening to what others say is insular and counter productive.

[Dreamy]

Completely true, there are also certain types of Christians who are really angry, bitter and hateful towards people who don't share their beliefs too.

And you're right about Darth Vader and the Easter Bunny too, except there is as much evidence for those characters as there is for God (in the Abrahamic religious sense). So people denying them is (like you said) like you denying Darth Vader is the Lord of the Sith, can use the force and is therefore God.

No?




Completely true, there are also certain types of Christians who are really angry, bitter and hateful towards people who don't share their beliefs too.




Certain types?

Angry,bitter,hateful Christians or just angry,bitter,hateful people?

Who are these people? Friends,family,neighbors,people you see on TV?

I live in a very Christian/Catholic part of the country and do not see any of what you describe.

I rarely discuss my faith so do these hateful people tell you they are Christians?

[TopsyTurvy]

Sorry, but that's got to be the most foolish thing I have read all week. Seriously, not even worthy of an actual reply.

Nothing against you, just what you said, if that's what you honestly believe.

Don't say it's foolish without reason. Please tell me why I'm wrong.

[Dreamy]

Didn't you oppose Park51?

That's asinine anyway. I care what others say because I embrace other peoples opinions and don't think what one person or organisation thinks is the be all and end all of everything.

I might disagree or agree with them but everyone has an opinion and it's no more or less valid than mine.

I don't dismiss it completely because it conflicts with my ideals. Changing your opinion is part of being human.

Sticking to it and not listening to what others say is insular and counter productive.

I observe and listen to many people and things. I do not do what you do which is zone in negatively on one faith imo.

I could focus on Muslims/Jews/Mormons in a negative manner like you do Christians but I choose not to do so. You seem to have issues with Christianity more than any other faith based on your posting.

[TopsyTurvy]

Certain types?

Angry,bitter,hateful Christians or just angry,bitter,hateful people?

Who are these people? Friends,family,,neighbors,people you see on TV?

I live in a very Christian/Catholic part of the country and do not see any of what you describe.

I rarely discuss my faith so do these hateful people tell you they are Christians?

I don't live with fundamentalists either (even though I've been told I'm living under Sharia law).

But I see what fundamentalists post on message boards.

If you can prove no religion has fundamentalist elements I will concede my argument.

But you can't

[TopsyTurvy]

I observe and listen to many people and things. I do not do what you do which is zone in negatively on one faith imo.

I could focus on Muslims/Jews/Mormons in a negative manner like you do Christians but I choose not to do so. You seem to have issues with Christianity more than any other faith based on your posting.

I don't zone in on any faith, they're all holding us back as a species.

[Dreamy]

I don't live with fundamentalists either (even though I've been told I'm living under Sharia law).

But I see what fundamentalists post on message boards.

If you can prove no religion has fundamentalist elements I will concede my argument.

But you can't

I personally know fundamentalists and born agains. None are as you describe.

If you believe all you read on message boards Tops you have bigger issues than fundies.

I could write a book on the "tales" I have read here and elsewhere and probably enlighten you about some of the people you have likely believed on these here keyboards. lol

[Dreamy]

I don't zone in on any faith, they're all holding us back as a species.

No one is holding anyone back. Don't want to believe in a creed,don't.

[jwreck]

I didn't say all atheists. But there is a certain type of atheist who is really angry, bitter and hateful towards the God they don't believe in (which is kind of funny.... it would be like me exerting tons of energy against darth vader or the easter bunny) and Christians. The type that post on sites like infidels.org, and whose idols are people like Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens.Terrible analogy. It might work if there were people who insisted Darth VAder is real and were always in your face about it and telling you that you're going to hell if you don't believe it and shaping society to reflect their belief in Darth Vader. That would ALMOST make for a good analogy.

[jwreck]

Dreamy, you should get out more. Come to the Bible Belt. Wetsborough Baptists are not the only loonies out there "In the name of JESUS!!!!!"

[Dreamy]

Dreamy, you should get out more. Come to the Bible Belt. Wetsborough Baptists are not the only loonies out there "In the name of JESUS!!!!!"

Religion is not what makes them loony is my point. :p

Seriously it is like the chicken and the egg,which came first?

I know loons who are atheists. Should I blame their atheism?

[TopsyTurvy]

I personally know fundamentalists and born agains. None are as you describe.

If you believe all you read on message boards Tops you have bigger issues than fundies.

I could write a book on the "tales" I have read here and elsewhere and probably enlighten you about some of the people you have likely believed on these here keyboards. lol

Please do.


No one is holding anyone back. Don't want to believe in a creed,don't.

I don't, the fact ones who do seem to want to tell me I'm going to hell means I have to respond.

And the fact most respondents cite nothing but scripture means a one track belief about me going to hell with my similar belief it's bullshit isn't good because it isn't in the Bible not being proof is heresy.

Well strike me down.

[Dreamy]

Please do.



I don't, the fact ones who do seem to want to tell me I'm going to hell means I have to respond.

And the fact most respondents cite nothing but scripture means a one track belief about me going to hell with my similar belief it's bullshit isn't good because it isn't in the Bible not being proof is heresy.

Well strike me down.

No one has ever told me I am going to Hell Tops,not even when I was my most wild and naughty. Why are all these people preaching to you in your world?

You are not a Christian,you do not accept the word of God as truth,so why does any of it even register on your give a damn meter?

Muslims say a lot of things they believe. Big deal. I shrug.

[jwreck]

Religion is not what makes them loony is my point. :p

Seriously it is like the chicken and the egg,which came first?

I know loons who are atheists. Should I blame their atheism?
You're missing the point. Christian loons are prevalent and in power, which makes them dangerous. Atheist loons are just loons. They don't congregate and discuss how to interfere in other people's lives.Many churches do exactly that. Sure, they don't want to kill all the infidels like Muslims, but they want to control what comes on your TV, what books are in your library, what your kids learn in school, what music is on the radio, what activities are acceptable on Sunday. Don't give me this BS that Christians have a "live and let live" mentality, because it just isn't so. Granted its getting better everyday, but that's only because "looney" atheists and others have stood up to them, often at their own peril.

[Dreamy]

You're missing the point. Christian loons are prevalent and in power, which makes them dangerous. Atheist loons are just loons. They don't congregate and discuss how to interfere in other people's lives.Many churches do exactly that. Sure, they don't want to kill all the infidels like Muslims, but they want to control what comes on your TV, what books are in your library, what your kids learn in school, what music is on the radio, what activities are acceptable on Sunday. Don't give me this BS that Christians have a "live and let live" mentality, because it just isn't so. Granted its getting better everyday, but that's only because "looney" atheists and others have stood up to them, often at their own peril.

I'm quite serious. Up here I feel none of that oppression.

Christians in power? Where? And how does this "power" affect our laws?

Listen,we have various churches here. If I don't like one I leave. No one had ever and I mean ever tried to control my mind or my freedoms from any Christian faith or church.

[TopsyTurvy]

No one has ever told me I am going to Hell Tops,not even when I was my most wild and naughty. Why are all these people preaching to you in your world?

Really? So the Bible says you can do anything you want and reciprocation isn't necessary in Christianity?


You are not a Christian,you do not accept the word of God as truth,so why does any of it even register on your give a damn meter?

Muslims say a lot of things they believe. Big deal. I shrug.

I've said before Dreamy, does me not believing in something mean I'm not interested in it?

I don't believe in a few scientific theories, does that mean I shouldn't be interested in them?

I don't believe Ra is the Sun God, it doesn't mean I don't think the Sun isn't there or dismiss the Sun as being important.

[jwreck]

Like I said, c'mon down here and make yerself at home. Just don't think you're gonna buy liquor on Sunday. That's God's day damnit. ANd no beer before noon on Sunday. you should be in church, why are you trying to buy beer anyway? Or hell, there's still lots of areas throughout the south where you can't by any kind of alcohol at all. Many residents of Galveston want to bring in casino's to bolster the economy. Guess who's there to stop it? That's just immediately off the top of my head.

[lily]

Terrible analogy. It might work if there were people who insisted Darth VAder is real and were always in your face about it and telling you that you're going to hell if you don't believe it and shaping society to reflect their belief in Darth Vader. That would ALMOST make for a good analogy.

No, I think you missed my point. It doesn't matter that no one claims Darth Vader exists, the part that is odd to me is not that atheists try to disprove God, but that they exert SO much energy and emotion railing against that God they claim to not believe in. I can just picture people like Dawkins, bursting a blood vessel as he frantically waves his fist in the air yelling things like, "your God is horrible, genocidal, homophobic, racist, cruel mass murderer!!!!!111" Would I ever spend so much energy hating something I didn't believe existed? No, I don't even give it the time of day.

And has anyone else noticed, you almost never hear them railing against other so-called "gods" such as Allah, or Zeus or Vishnu or whoever. It's always the Judeo-Christian God. Why, just my opinion, but I think it's because I think everyone knows those other "gods" are false. But I think those angry atheists are trying to convince themselves that the God of the bible is untrue. So much energy and time. Sheesh, back when I was a nonbeliever, I was an actual nonbeliever. :D I never gave any time or energy or emotion to something I believed was just a concept, or empty religion.

[Dreamy]

Really? So the Bible says you can do anything you want and reciprocation isn't necessary in Christianity?



I've said before Dreamy, does me not believing in something mean I'm not interested in it?

I don't believe in a few scientific theories, does that mean I shouldn't be interested in them?

I don't believe Ra is the Sun God, it doesn't mean I don't think the Sun isn't there or dismiss the Sun as being important.

Tops I have stated this before. My future as well as my relationship with God is between He and I. I am truly wondering why you worry what Christian doctrine may say. Are you a believer?

You can explore any topic or faith you like but you can also count on me questioning why you focus on Christianity in a negative way more than any other faith or belief.

[TopsyTurvy]

No, I think you missed my point. It doesn't matter that no one claims Darth Vader exists, the part that is odd to me is not that atheists try to disprove God, but that they exert SO much energy and emotion railing against that God they claim to not believe in. I can just picture people like Dawkins, bursting a blood vessel as he frantically waves his fist in the air yelling things like, "your God is horrible, genocidal, homophobic, racist, cruel mass murderer!!!!!111" Would I ever spend so much energy hating something I didn't believe existed? No, I don't even give it the time of day.

And has anyone else noticed, you almost never hear them railing against other so-called "gods" such as Allah, or Zeus or Vishnu or whoever. It's always the Judeo-Christian God. Why, just my opinion, but I think it's because I think everyone knows those other "gods" are false. But I think those angry atheists are trying to convince themselves that the God of the bible is untrue. So much energy and time. Sheesh, back when I was a nonbeliever, I was an actual nonbeliever. :D I never gave any time or energy or emotion to something I believed was just a concept, or empty religion.

Disproving a negative is impossible, I agree with the whole philosophy of God not the literal God though. A (Biblical) God wouldn't be a childish, vengeful being who contradicts himself.

Don't you agree?

[Dreamy]

Like I said, c'mon down here and make yerself at home. Just don't think you're gonna buy liquor on Sunday. That's God's day damnit. ANd no beer before noon on Sunday. you should be in church, why are you trying to buy beer anyway? Or hell, there's still lots of areas throughout the south where you can't by any kind of alcohol at all. Many residents of Galveston want to bring in casino's to bolster the economy. Guess who's there to stop it? That's just immediately off the top of my head.

Jwreck I don't doubt that you are relaying the truth about your part of the world. All I can say is if the majority of people like it that way then you should probably move. If the majority of people do not like it that way then you should all change it.

[lily]

Disproving a negative is impossible, I agree with the whole philosophy of God not the literal God though. A (Biblical) God wouldn't be a childish, vengeful being who contradicts himself.

Don't you agree?

As I said, my point was not about atheists trying to disprove God. I was commenting on all the emotion and energy they put into railing against God.

And no, obviously I disagree with your view of the Christian God. But I completely understand why you have that view.

[TopsyTurvy]

Tops I have stated this before. My future as well as my relationship with God is between He and I. I am truly wondering why you worry what Christian doctrine may say. Are you a believer?

Honestly, yes I've been exploring all faiths and none have come close to my philosophy. I'm spiritual very much so but traditional religion isn't something I agree with.


You can explore any topic or faith you like but you can also count on me questioning why you focus on Christianity in a negative way more than any other faith or belief.

I don't focus on Christianity more than any other religion, if you want to highlight it go for it but I've always said religion is more about control than belief.

I despise Christianity, Judaism and Islam equally. They all have "if you don't do this you're not 'x' religion"

If that's your criteria so be it but If I was Jesus and wanted the best for humanity I'd rather highlight the things that united us rather than the things that separated us.

Maybe?

[Dreamy]

Disproving a negative is impossible, I agree with the whole philosophy of God not the literal God though. A (Biblical) God wouldn't be a childish, vengeful being who contradicts himself.

Don't you agree?

I don't agree with your description of God. Have you read the entire Bible? Do you know Scripture well?

[TopsyTurvy]

I don't agree with your description of God. Have you read the entire Bible? Do you know Scripture well?

So he isn't vengeful and cruel?

Go on then prove it.

[Dreamy]

Honestly, yes I've been exploring all faiths and none have come close to my philosophy. I'm spiritual very much so but traditional religion isn't something I agree with.



I don't focus on Christianity more than any other religion, if you want to highlight it go for it but I've always said religion is more about control than belief.

I despise Christianity, Judaism and Islam equally. They all have "if you don't do this you're not 'x' religion"

If that's your criteria so be it but If I was Jesus and wanted the best for humanity I'd rather highlight the things that united us rather than the things that separated us.

Maybe?

Your philosophy? lol So follow your own personal religion or beliefs. No one much cares.

You do focus on Christianity here so I call BS on that denial.

You despise words and doctrine? Don't read them or believe them.

Your last sentence almost seems to reflect that you believe you are all knowing. That shows your age.

[Jeremiah]

i met god a while ago and found him to be a bit odd

[TopsyTurvy]

As I said, my point was not about atheists trying to disprove God. I was commenting on all the emotion and energy they put into railing against God.

So what would prove God?

I'd like to know.

[Dreamy]

So he isn't vengeful and cruel?

Go on then prove it.

I feel no need to prove God and his Being to you Tops. I have repeatedly stated here that I am not a missionary for my faith on some message board. I do not come here to recruit or convince. I believe people follow their own path spiritually. At least I have.

[TopsyTurvy]

I feel no need to prove God and his Being to you Tops. I have repeatedly stated here that I am not a missionary for my faith on some message board. I do not come here to recruit or convince. I believe people follow their own path spiritually. At least I have.

You don't have to.

Some feel they do though.

[Dreamy]

You don't have to.

Some feel they do though.

To you personally? Why are you a magnet for those who might want to lead you to God Tops?

[TopsyTurvy]

To you personally? Why are you a magnet for those who might want to lead you to God Tops?

I've never said I am.

Have I?

But why wouldn't I be?

Tell me I'm not the Messiah.

I'm Jesus. Tell me I'm not by quoting scripture.

Please.

[Dreamy]

I've never said I am.

Have I?

But why wouldn't I be?

Tell me I'm not the Messiah.

I'm Jesus. Tell me I'm not by quoting scripture.

Please.

So where does your perception of Christians come from then Tops?

[TopsyTurvy]

So where does your perception of Christians come from then Tops?

Tell me where my Christian perception comes from.

Point it out to me, please..

[Dreamy]

Tell me where my Christian perception comes from.

Point it out to me, please..

lol I am a lousy Christian. Wrong person to ask. I am also not here criticizing it and making claims. You are and I am curious what has caused you to form such negative views.

Have you read the Bible entirely? What is your Christian background and knowledge?

[TopsyTurvy]

lol I am a lousy Christian. Wrong person to ask. I am also not here criticizing it and making claims. You are and I am curious what has caused you to form such negative views.

Have you read the Bible entirely? What is your Christian background and knowledge?

I read the Bible totally yes.

I went to a Christian school and that out me off.

Please try and convince me.

Using the Bible won't work. It's been tried.

[Dreamy]

I read the Bible totally yes.

I went to a Christian school and that out me off.

Please try and convince me.

Using the Bible won't work. It's been tried.

Tops,I have children. I'm a Mom. I have never tried to "convince" them so why in the hell do you think I care what some unknown person on the internet believes spiritually?

My feeling is this. Some of you seem to have gotten a raw deal growing up evidently spiritually and maybe in other ways. Fine,get over it and move on. Don't believe,believe,hug trees,howl at the Moon for all I care.

I have one soul. Mine. I walk my spiritual path alone and with friends sometimes. I am not a missionary and if I ended up being the last believer on Earth I would be fine. My faith is solid. Your lack of faith or jaded nature is yours to own and embrace. Enjoy.

Count on me however popping you on your cyber head every time you post another "let's slam the Christians" BS post or thread. Just because your spritual world was a negative one does not mean that was or is the same for all.

[big steve]

In Christianity, God is seeking the individual. In all other religions, the individual is seeking God. Something to ponder.:)

[Dreamy]

In Christianity, God is seeking the individual. In all other religions, the individual is seeking God. Something to ponder.:)

Handsome,hunky and wise.:nice:

[9ball8]

The Christian and other religious scholars who defined the concept of "sovereign will", helped advance religion to something beyond worship of relics.

Taken to the next step: if God exists, it might be indistinguishable from the non-existence of God, since God seems to be a "hands off" manager of our affairs. Humans are completely responsible for our actions, and God would sort us out if there is an afterlife. Claims that God or Satan are responsible for killing one or 10 million is a complete scam to cover bad human behavior.

Makes the whole thing more reliable for secular humanists, like me.

[jwreck]

You know dreamy, for someone not trying to convince anyone you are spending a lot of energy to pick a fight. More of the good ol Christian live and let live you say is so prominent.

[jwreck]

Lily, you're still missing the point. It's about power and relevance. If Dawkins lived in a Muslim society I'm sure he would rail against Allah (until they killed him that is). We in the west live in a Christian dominated society. That's why Christians are the main target. Jews in Germany in WWII didn't worry about how bad the Japanese were. It want exactly relevant.

[TopsyTurvy]

Religion is not what makes them loony is my point. :p

I'm saving this quote for the next 'Islam is evil' thread.

[Dreamy]

You know dreamy, for someone not trying to convince anyone you are spending a lot of energy to pick a fight. More of the good ol Christian live and let live you say is so prominent.

This is a forum to debate and discuss issues. I'm doing just that. I'm not telling anyone how to live. Explain please.

[Dreamy]

I'm saving this quote for the next 'Islam is evil' thread.

From me? Won't happen.

[TopsyTurvy]

From me? Won't happen.

OK. :nice:

[Dreamy]

Honestly, yes I've been exploring all faiths and none have come close to my philosophy. I'm spiritual very much so but traditional religion isn't something I agree with.



I don't focus on Christianity more than any other religion, if you want to highlight it go for it but I've always said religion is more about control than belief.

I despise Christianity, Judaism and Islam equally. They all have "if you don't do this you're not 'x' religion"

If that's your criteria so be it but If I was Jesus and wanted the best for humanity I'd rather highlight the things that united us rather than the things that separated us.

Maybe?



I despise Christianity, Judaism and Islam equally.

Despise eh? Strong word. Did something happen to you personally to make you feel so strongly about religion? Same question to you Jwreck.

I have no problems with non-believers and rarely give any of you a thought yet many non-believers seem to focus on believers and seem hell bent on convincing us that our faith is wrong and sucks. Why is that folks? ;)

[TopsyTurvy]

Despise eh? Strong word. Did something happen to you personally to make you feel so strongly about religion? Same question to you Jwreck.

I have no problems with non-believers and rarely give any of you a thought yet many non-believers seem to focus on believers and seem hell bent on convincing us that our faith is wrong and sucks. Why is that folks? ;)

Because I despise Christianity, Judaism and Islam I don't believe in religion?

Explain.

[Dreamy]

Because I despise Christianity, Judaism and Islam I don't believe in religion?

Explain.



Perhaps it is you who can explain.

You believe in a religion? Which one? Not one you despise I hope?

[TopsyTurvy]

Perhaps it is you who can explain.

You believe in a religion? Which one? Not one you despise I hope?

No not one I despise.

Deflection doesn't answer my question, nice attempt though. You've obviously been practising looking at your replies in this thread. :nice:

[Dreamy]

No not one I despise.

Deflection doesn't answer my question, nice attempt though You've obviously been practising looking at your replies in this thread. :nice:

You are the one dancing around.

O/T By the way are you are fan?:nice:

http://www.angelinawrona.ca/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3

[TopsyTurvy]

You are the one dancing around.

O/T By the way are you are fan?:nice:

http://www.angelinawrona.ca/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3

I'm dancing around yet you won't answer my question?

O/T Yes I love her stuff. :nice:

[Dreamy]

Because I despise Christianity, Judaism and Islam I don't believe in religion?

Explain.

Where did I post the above? Try again.

Which religion(s) do you believe in?

[TopsyTurvy]

Where did I post the above? Try again.

Which religion(s) do you believe in?


Despise eh? Strong word. Did something happen to you personally to make you feel so strongly about religion?

After I'd mentioned despising Christianity, Judaism and Islam. They are a fraction of religion.

My beliefs don't matter one iota to this discussion.

[Dreamy]

After I'd mentioned despising Christianity, Judaism and Islam. They are a fraction of religion.

My beliefs don't matter one iota to this discussion.


haha Backing away she is. Smart move. You are so full of shit sometimes Tops. ;)

[TopsyTurvy]

haha Backing away she is. Smart move. You are so full of shit sometimes Tops. ;)

Backing away from what? I've responded to every point and question you've raised.

Pity I don't get reciprocity.

[Dreamy]

Backing away from what? I've responded to every point and question you've raised.

Pity I don't get reciprocity.

Nah you haven't. I wish I cared enough to care more. I will let the thread speak for itself.

[TopsyTurvy]

I'll let your avoidance of answering questions speak more.

[Shandril105]

7UmotTE-VlY

:eek7: :rolleyes:

Sick little bitch :not:

[Dreamy]

I'll let your avoidance of answering questions speak more.

You want me to answer questions about you. lol You can't even answer the ones I have asked you about you. Give it up. You are cornered. Bad move in a debate to paint yourself into a corner.

[TopsyTurvy]

You want me to answer questions about you.

No. Just ones you haven't answered in this thread, which were not about me.


You can't even answer the ones I have asked you about you. Give it up. You are cornered. Bad move in a debate to paint yourself into a corner.

What questions? And don't tell me what to do.

I think you should take a debating class as you obviously have no idea how to do it without getting personal.

[tatervt]

It's dark and hell is hot...


Just a heads up for what you can expect tops

[Shandril105]

Because I despise Christianity, Judaism and Islam I don't believe in religion?

Explain.

You can despise them and still believe in a religion. I do it every day. :D

[Dreamy]

It's dark and hell is hot...


Just a heads up for what you can expect tops

How hot? I like it kind of on the warm side myself.

[Dreamy]

You can despise them and still believe in a religion. I do it every day. :D

What do you believe in exactly about religion?

[Shandril105]

What do you believe in exactly about religion?

I am a pagan. Kitchen witch specifically.

[Dreamy]

I am a pagan. Kitchen witch specifically.

Tops doesn't want to share.:D

[Shandril105]

Tops doesn't want to share.:D

And why does she have to?

[Dreamy]

And why does she have to?

No but she was made the comment and I followed with the question to further understand.

[Shandril105]

No but she was made the comment and I followed with the question to further understand.

What's to understand? She said she despised the top 3 religions. It doesn't need further validation. It just is. I know you love to pick on Tops but c'mon. This is kind of stuff that gets people to finally just say "fuck it" and stop posting. And even same sided circle jerks, whilst pleasurable at first, get boring after a while.

[Dreamy]

What's to understand? She said she despised the top 3 religions. It doesn't need further validation. It just is. I know you love to pick on Tops but c'mon. This is kind of stuff that gets people to finally just say "fuck it" and stop posting. And even same sided circle jerks, whilst pleasurable at first, get boring after a while.

Amazing. So you see my posts to her as "picking on her". Then she and maybe you need to post at knitting forums where kumbaya is the game. Will you be going after Dick Tator et al or just me with the call I am picking on her? Seriously Shandril. She can defend her own posts I hope or does she need others to bail her out?

[TopsyTurvy]

does she need others to bail her out?

No, I can handle myself but you do seem to go after my posts more than anyone elses.

Curious to why that is.

[Dreamy]

No, I can handle myself but you do seem to go after my posts more than anyone elses.

Curious to why that is.

Because you are here lots and you like to get into the debate. If others did I would be debating with them too.

I like to debate. I am not here to group hug. I am here to have some fun,laughs and debate. Is this premise all too complicated for you all?

[Shandril105]

You know, I am just getting sick of this. And worse, a lot of people see nothing wrong with it. Can we not discuss and debate the topics like normal rational adults? Evidently not. We start going after people personally instead of sticking to the topic at hand. It's like high school. Something most of us left long ago. This site is just becoming more about trolling again. Who you can a rise out of the most. Its juvenile and sad. And soon, unless noobs are sily enough to rise to the bait (and they will, for a while) All you are going to be able to do is talk to yourselves.

Sorry. I think I am done again for a while. I'm gonna stick to the Daily quiz and cooking and gardening again. At least there we actually discuss.

And FTR, for the most part I really like you all, yep, even Dick. When everyone actually debates the issues it's a higly enjoyable forum, I can even disregard Snouter and his inane ramblings. But lately, its seem that lowering the bar on discourse is the rule, not the exception.

Sad

[Dreamy]

You know, I am just getting sick of this. And worse, a lot of people see nothing wrong with it. Can we not discuss and debate the topics like normal rational adults? Evidently not. We start going after people personally instead of sticking to the topic at hand. It's like high school. Something most of us left long ago. This site is just becoming more about trolling again. Who you can a rise out of the most. Its juvenile and sad. And soon, unless noobs are sily enough to rise to the bait (and they will, for a while) All you are going to be able to do is talk to yourselves.

Sorry. I think I am done again for a while. I'm gonna stick to the Daily quiz and cooking and gardening again. At least there we actually discuss.

And FTR, for the most part I really like you all, yep, even Dick. When everyone actually debates the issues it's a higly enjoyable forum, I can even disregard Snouter and his inane ramblings. But lately, its seem that lowering the bar on discourse is the rule, not the exception.

Sad



Your choice. I think my posts are fine. Sorry you think not Shandril.

The ignore option is there for all. I am sure you will be chastising others besides me soon right Shandril? Some of the men maybe?

[Shandril105]

Your choice. I think my posts are fine. Sorry you think not Shandril.

The ignore option is there for all. I am sure you will be chastising others besides me soon right Shandril? Some of the men maybe?

It's not you specifically Dreamy. It's a lot of them lately. Sorry. I shouldnt be dumping this all on you. And its not about you. Its everything on here in general lately. Like I said in the other thread, you got caught in he crossfire. Sorry sweets.

[Dreamy]

It's not you specifically Dreamy. It's a lot of them lately. Sorry. I shouldnt be dumping this all on you. And its not about you. Its everything on here in general lately. Like I said in the other thread, you got caught in he crossfire. Sorry sweets.

You'll do anything for a hug. :D

((((hugs))) Don't sweat it. We're fine. You can be the DA conscience.

I can take it but it confuses me when I am the focus all the time of the female bitching. I am a strong women,with opinions but I do not think I am cruel or mean to anyone here. If Tops thinks I am to her she can let me know. I like debating with her but if I have to place on kid gloves then I will just avoid her.

[TopsyTurvy]

You'll do anything for a hug. :D

((((hugs))) Don't sweat it. We're fine. You can be the DA conscience.

I can take it but it confuses me when I am the focus all the time of the female bitching. I am a strong women,with opinions but I do not think I am cruel or mean to anyone here. If Tops thinks I am to her she can let me know. I like debating with her but if I have to place on kid gloves then I will just avoid her.

I don't intentionally bitch at you, maybe you think I do because we disagree and you see it more because it's at you but I speak my mind to everyone here. Male or female.

[Shandril105]

I guess I felt bad for Tops. Everyone has been picking on her lately, not just you. And I know she can take it, but with fewer "lefties" around willing deal with the other side, it becomes a little painfully obvious.

[tatervt]

I blame menopause...


(and puberty in tops case)

[Dreamy]

I blame menopause...


(and puberty in tops case)

:rofl:

The Aunt is still visiting. Doesn't my sweetness prove this?:D

[Shandril105]

I blame menopause...


(and puberty in tops case)

Peri-menopause in my case TYVM. It fucking sucks.:not:

Thank the gods for medication, alcohol, and chocolate! :cool:

[tatervt]

Peri-menopause in my case TYVM. It fucking sucks.:not:

Thank the gods for medication, alcohol, and chocolate! :cool:

That's it, go comatose for me baby!

[Dreamy]

God is good. Chocolate is gooder.

[Shandril105]

Chocolate is de bestest!

[jwreck]

Shandril was nice but I won't be. Dreamy, you're being a trollish bitch. "Oh you say the sky is blue? Explain..." :rolleyes:
I'll gladly tell you anything you want to know if you drop the attitude.

[tatervt]

Guess now we all know who tops is blowing kisses to these days...

[jwreck]

Guess now we all know who tops is blowing kisses to these days...Awww, jealous? :rolleyes:

[Dreamy]

Awww, jealous? :rolleyes:

Hardly Wreck, I have seen his lady and trust me he is not jealous. :)

[Dreamy]

Shandril was nice but I won't be. Dreamy, you're being a trollish bitch. "Oh you say the sky is blue? Explain..." :rolleyes:
I'll gladly tell you anything you want to know if you drop the attitude.

You do know your bitches,I give you that. :nice:

[jwreck]

:yawn:

[Dreamy]

I feel the same. I think I know your take religion Jwreck. Bitter would be my take or so it appears in the posts where you have discussed it somewhat based on where you live.

[jwreck]

You can search my posts here or just ask me. If you weren't so busy trying to troll topsy and lumping me in with her because we happen to agree on this issue I'd be glad to have a conversation with you. I'm not bitter. Not at all. In fact you'll see me taking up for Christians more often than not here on this site. You are free to believe what you want about me though. Text on a screen...

[Dreamy]

You can search my posts here or just ask me. If you weren't so busy trying to troll topsy and lumping me in with her because we happen to agree on this issue I'd be glad to have a conversation with you. I'm not bitter. Not at all. In fact you'll see me taking up for Christians more often than not here on this site. You are free to believe what you want about me though. Text on a screen...

I did not troll her. So until that is agreed upon I guess we have not much more to say here.

[big steve]

Now, kiss and make up kids! :D

[Dreamy]

Now, kiss and make up kids! :D

haha Tater and Jwreck,Big Steve wants to see some lovin'.

[big steve]

haha Tater and Jwreck,Big Steve wants to see some lovin'.

For you Dreamy, ten minutes with me, and you would throw rocks at your hubby! :D

[lily]

I'm honestly kind of amazed at how a few of you are seeing this debate.

I'm sorry, but to portray this thread as Topsy being the innocent little dove, while Dreamy as the big bitch is kind of funny to me. :D

Granted, Dreamy was being persistent and tough, but if anyone was trying to pick a fight, I thought it was Topsy. Sheesh, she practically begging for someone to "prove" God to her, and wouldn't back down, "prove it!" "go on, prove it!"

jwreck and Shandril, nothing against either of you, but I gotta disagree here. Where was Dreamy being so bitchy and rude? I only saw one post of hers that could be remotely considered crossing the line, but even that she used a smiley with.. when she said, "You are so full of shit sometimes Tops." And come on, we all know the debates here get heated, so if THAT is too harsh, then I'm wondering what you guys think of the daily political debates here between left and right.

just my 2 pesos.

[Dreamy]

I'm honestly kind of amazed at how a few of you are seeing this debate.

I'm sorry, but to portray this thread as Topsy being the innocent little dove, while Dreamy as the big bitch is kind of funny to me. :D

Granted, Dreamy was being persistent and tough, but if anyone was trying to pick a fight, I thought it was Topsy. Sheesh, she practically begging for someone to "prove" God to her, and wouldn't back down, "prove it!" "go on, prove it!"

jwreck and Shandril, nothing against either of you, but I gotta disagree here. Where was Dreamy being so bitchy and rude? I only saw one post of hers that could be remotely considered crossing the line, but even that she used a smiley with.. when she said, "You are so full of shit sometimes Tops." And come on, we all know the debates here get heated, so if THAT is too harsh, then I'm wondering what you guys think of the daily political debates here between left and right.

just my 2 pesos.

Thank you for another point of view which imo is more honest and factual. I just know people like Dick and Victory and others have been much harsher than I ever could be and I do not remember the peanut gallery running to call them on it. Flib comes to mind when he rode me. I did not have the damsel in distress signal flying I guess but his jabs were thanked with abandon. Don't like me? Ignore me but get the freak off my back especially if you are not even in the thread debating.

My thing is this. If I was too "rough" on Tops then Tops needs to tell me so herself. I am personally not interested in debating with people who cry like babies or have posses coming into threads just to save someone's ass when they get hit in the debate too hard.

I just know that the critics seem to select only certain people to critique. Transparent BS is my call. Ride other people sometimes and maybe I will take the criticism more seriously or better yet don't post if your skin is that thin. As 86dude states. I am not here to please OR in my case seek anyone's stamp of approval on my posts. I can simply say that if I went to some of you wagging my finger everytime I didn't like your style or your views I would look ridiculous. Well some of you look that way to me.

[jwreck]

I'm not here to save anyones ass. When you start flinging shit at me I don't take kindly to it.

[Dreamy]

I'm not here to save anyones ass. When you start flinging shit at me I don't take kindly to it.

Your first post I believe in this thread directed at me. Your objective?



http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2149157&postcount=82

Now show me the shit throwing post directed at you please that caused this one.

[jwreck]

Objective was to point out your ridiculous hypocrisy. Live and let live is what you were trying to preach while harassing someone for having different beliefs, ie trolling.

[Dreamy]

Objective was to point out your ridiculous hypocrisy. Live and let live is what you were trying to preach while harassing someone for having different beliefs, ie trolling.

Wth are you even talking about Jwreck? Really. Harassing someone? Are you freaking nuts? Unreal. I was debating her posts. Asking questions. You have issues with religion and seem uber sensitive. I hate that word. lol

Where was shit thrown at you dude?

[jwreck]

FYI my actual first post directed to you in this thread. (pg 3)

Dreamy, you should get out more. Come to the Bible Belt. Wetsborough Baptists are not the only loonies out there "In the name of JESUS!!!!!"
Pretty much all of page 4 is you and tops being bitchy and snide with each other. The post you quoted above was in response to that. Then you tell me I'm bitter and need to move. Not to mention thinking you can somehow "guess" what my beliefs and background based on my few comments in this thread. Why don't you just admit you were trolling topsy and decided to get pissy with me because I agreed with her? Simple enough.

[Dreamy]

FYI my actual first post directed to you in this thread. (pg 3)

Pretty much all of page 4 is you and tops being bitchy and snide with each other. The post you quoted above was in response to that. Then you tell me I'm bitter and need to move. Not to mention thinking you can somehow "guess" what my beliefs and background based on my few comments in this thread. Why don't you just admit you were trolling topsy and decided to get pissy with me because I agreed with her? Simple enough.

No. Get off my ass dude. You are all wet on this. You have issues. I was debating and asking questions. Don't like it,ignore me.

[jwreck]

:shrug:

[Dreamy]

:shrug:

God is good.:nice: