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buggy
07-30-2002, 06:08 AM
A CHILD protection advocate has called for a royal commission into sexual abuse in the Catholic Church following reports that Archbishop George Pell described it as less of a crime than abortion.

According to Canada's national Globe and Mail newspaper, Dr Pell made the comments to 500 young Roman Catholic delegates at a World Youth Day forum in Toronto.
Dr Pell's office in Sydney today refused to comment on the report, saying it would wait until he returned at the end of the week.

It was reported Dr Pell made the comments in response to a question from an American youth minister, who wanted to know what Catholics should say when someone asked them about the sex scandal afflicting the church in the United States.

The paper said Dr Pell told his audience that abortion was a worse moral scandal than priests sexually abusing young people.

When asked to clarify he said: "Because it's (abortion) always a destruction of human life," the paper reported.

Dr Pell said he was not trying to downplay abuse, but the issue had received a lot of attention to the detriment of other matters, the paper said.

Sydney-based child protection advocate Hetty Johnston said the comments were astonishing and outrageous and a royal commission must be established to fully expose just how endemic the problem was.

"According to the view of George Pell, and in effect the Catholic Church, it's not OK to harm a child in the womb but it's not so bad if you harm a child outside it," Ms Johnston, who runs victim support network Bravehearts, said today.

"It's so disappointing that with everything that's happened over the last 12 months, it appears that the (Catholic Church) leaders still don't get it."

Ms Johnston said the church, which purports to be society's moral leader, continued to ignore the "incredible trauma" being afflicted on children.

Most Catholic parishioners would be as distraught as child protection advocates to hear Dr Pell's comments and it was time for the church to do something about it, she said.

"We know it's expensive, we know that the sector needs money to help children but we need a royal commission to expose the truth."

Pope John Paul, also in Canada for World Youth Day, said the sexual abuse scandals rocking his church caused "a deep sense of sadness and shame", but he urged Catholic youth to support most priests who do good.

This report appears on news.com.au.

tam
07-30-2002, 06:12 AM
Sickening. Is this something that the catholic church feels like on the whole?


and, how is sexual abuse by something like a priest not a destruction of someone's life?

buggy
07-30-2002, 06:35 AM
I have no idea. This is pretty warped. It's especially strange coming from a catholic school background and attending the catholic church when I was young. I remember my pastor and I just get bewildered, he was such a good man. Makes no sense.

Banky
07-30-2002, 06:38 AM
How anyone can remain in the Catholic Church is beyond me.

These people actually defend the pedophiles in the church.

buggy
07-30-2002, 06:52 AM
I don't know, I'll have to ask my Mom about it sometime. I'm agnostic and have been for years. I am guessing it has something to do with a devotion to god and not to these 'authoritative figures' that are pretty much sick individuals? I'm just guessing here.

tam
07-30-2002, 06:54 AM
i'm agnostic too apparently, but i don't really know what it means...

buggy
07-30-2002, 07:01 AM
Here ya go, Tam - You can also poke around this writing - http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/clarence_darrow/why_i_am_an_agnostic.html



3 definitions found

From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) :

Agnostic \Ag*nos"tic\, a. [Gr. 'a priv. + ? knowing, ? to know.]
Professing ignorance; involving no dogmatic; pertaining to or
involving agnosticism. -- Ag*nos"tic*al*ly, adv.


From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) :

Agnostic \Ag*nos"tic\, n.
One who professes ignorance, or denies that we have any
knowledge, save of phenomena; one who supports agnosticism,
neither affirming nor denying the existence of a personal
Deity, a future life, etc.


From WordNet (r) 1.7 :

agnostic
adj : uncertain of all claims to knowledge [syn: agnostical]
[ant: gnostic]
n : a person who doubts truth of religion [syn: doubter]

(sorry, that was :topic: )

RightWingZealot
07-30-2002, 10:32 AM
I would have to agree that abortion is probably a bigger "scandal" than the pedophile preiests if for no other reason than than it happens far more often and nobody seems to give a damn.

Using this is a means to deflect critisim of prienst buggering little children is rediculous though...

buggy
07-31-2002, 09:42 AM
I will have to disagree on the grounds of consciousness, RWZ. A victim of sexual abuse is very aware of what's happening to them a bundle of cells being ejected from a human body during the first trimester of it's 'creation' is not aware.

Either way, comparing the the two asinine, it's very apparent these people are sick bastards.

mrWr0ng
07-31-2002, 10:23 AM
the entire catholic church needs to step out and denounce this man's acts, or else the entire catholic religion obviously supports pedophile crimes, and any catholic in america needs to be deported until this crime wave is over. then maybe we can trust catholics around our children.

BonnieBon
07-31-2002, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by RightWingZealot
I would have to agree that abortion is probably a bigger "scandal" than the pedophile preiests if for no other reason than than it happens far more often and nobody seems to give a damn.

Using this is a means to deflect critisim of prienst buggering little children is rediculous though...

Priest Pedophilia may happen less than abortion, but Pedophilia and related crimes as a whole happen far more than abortion. Still, I dont think we need to categorize or rate these things, I think we should actually do something about it. (not necessarilly "us" as in people who are discussing it... I mean like, as a nation...)

Criminal
08-01-2002, 12:53 AM
Originally posted by Banky
How anyone can remain in the Catholic Church is beyond me.

These people actually defend the pedophiles in the church.
I am in the Catholic Church right now and will remain so. Right now its all the sex abuses that is getting all the press. What you dont see is all the good that comes from the church.

Criminal
08-01-2002, 12:55 AM
I do not see anything wrong with what Pell did. He merely stated an opinion. For some people child abuse is a worse crime than abortion and for others abortion is worse. I still dont see why we should condem this churchman.

buggy
08-01-2002, 01:17 AM
It SOUNDS like he's using some sort of excuse to minimize the seriousness of raping children.

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