..and she seemed like such a cutie.


I think it's okay to rip that bitch's head off now after that load of sarcastic and belligerent bullshit.


yay! :nice:

Quite possibly the worst convention speech I've ever heard .. the big question is will McSame lower the bar further with his and live down to expectations ?

Yeah, it did have a very sarcastic, condescending, and quite arrogant tone, didn't it? I think that was the wrong approach. Sort of leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Who the fcuk is she? What the fcuk has she done to earn the privilege to make 90% of her vice presidential nomination acceptance speech to be laced with biting insults and sarcasm? Very unprofessional and in poor taste.

However, it did occur to me that picking her was a brilliant political move. Never underestimate the power of the halo-effect (http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/halo-effect.html). A beautiful woman delivering carefully composed political sound bytes might be one of the most powerful vehicles available and still relatively unexplored.

You're all a bunch of pussies.

Nice sig, douchebag. Please tell me you're a multi. Snouter? Is that you?

Yeah, it did have a very sarcastic, condescending, and quite arrogant tone, didn't it? I think that was the wrong approach. Sort of leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Who the fcuk is she? What the fcuk has she done to earn the privilege to make 90% of her vice presidential nomination acceptance speech to be laced with biting insults and sarcasm? Very unprofessional and in poor taste.



Nothing disgusts me more than arrogance, I wouldn't waste my time watching that scripted crap, is there a transcript somewhere?

Porky Palin can go fluck herself..

You gotta see The Daily Show September 3rd's episode- you can find it on Hulu.com!

Nothing disgusts me more than arrogance, I wouldn't waste my time watching that scripted crap, is there a transcript somewhere?

Porky Palin can go fluck herself..

Yeah, that Democratic convention was completely off the cuff.There wasn't a script to be found anywhere near it.

The extreme reaction to Palin is evidence that she's the right pick. After all, what kind of reaction do you EXPECT when the opposition is smacked upside the head?

..and she seemed like such a cutie.


I think it's okay to rip that bitch's head off now after that load of sarcastic and belligerent bullshit.


yay! :nice:yeah, because you guys were really holding back on her :rolleyes:



BTW...the sarcasm was spot on

The extreme reaction to Palin is evidence that she's the right pick. After all, what kind of reaction do you EXPECT when the opposition is smacked upside the head?My thoughts exactly

The speech did what was intended. It's showed her likability, and that's a very important thing to get across as early as possible.

When I compare her to Hillary, she seems like she's a much nicer person (whether she is or not, she comes off that way).

I also though of it this way. Between she and Hillary, if I could date either one of those two women, it would definitely be Palin; hands down, and not because of her looks. Physically, she's not my type, but I have no doubt that she would certainly be more fun to hang out with than Hillary. Now I wouldn't base a vote on that, I'm just pointing out that she seems like a nice lady.

She's upbeat, and that's a great plus when it comes to leadership. Ronald Reagan's popularity and success had everything to do with his optimism, and the ability to communicate that optimism. It was infectious, and she may have a similar ability. Apparently she must, because she's wildly popular at home, with an 80+ per cent approval rating. That's uncommon for any politician. People are far more willing to go along with someone they actually like than someone they don't. That's just human nature.

McCain needed someone up beat to energize this campaign and excite his base. She's definitely the right person for that, regardless of the issues. Since our presidential campaigns are more about popularity these days, this pick is no surprise.

The same could be said for Obama for that matter. There are millions of people who just like the guy, despite the issues. He too has the ability communicate and get people into an optimistic frame of mind, which is one reason that I believe this race will be far more close than many are assuming it will be.

VP's aren't really very significant anyway, unless the President dies in office or becomes incapacitated. I know I know; they're one heartbeat away from the Presidency, but how often does anything actually happen to put them there?? It's only happened a few times in our history

They're basically nothing more than glorified understudies, but if the pick helps to energize the base and is well received by Americans in general, it can only help the campaign. I'm seein' a few folks on TV this morning giving her good reviews, and some are even saying that they like her, even though they may disagree with her on the issues.

A few liberals are even admitting it was a good speech and among them was Joe Biden, which is very significant. He called her tough, said debating her is going to be tough, and will take a great deal of preparation.

I also get the feeling that she's being way underestimated by many on the left, and that's agood thing for her. It gives her an edge.

I also get the feeling that she's being way underestimated by many on the left, and that's agood thing for her. It gives her an edge.

Here's a view from the left:

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters/354172

I'd been hearing it all week from the delegates. "She's relatable," a Florida fellow said. "I think what Gov. Palin's able to offer is the perspective of any everyday American," a Mississippi delegate told me. "She's real--real people. Wow!" a Texas delegate chimed in. Her family troubles, which have fueled a feeding frenzy among the dimwits who blog on the Huffington Post, only testified all the more powerfully to her everydayness. "If anything, it just kind of shows what a normal American she is. Family crises and situations like this arise in families all across the country, and I think she's doing the best with the situation. I think it will make Gov. Palin all the more strong," said another Texan.

You might not think that averageness would qualify a person for the second-highest office in the land. But if you might not think that, you haven't been paying attention to the way Republicans have won presidential elections for the last forty years. Palin is the logical extension of the cultural populism that has warped our politics--and for which the Democrats have, as yet, found no good answer.

The "one of us" quality--and her talent at projecting it--is clearly what got Palin on the ticket (silly chatter about Hillary voters aside). With his underrated grasp of the kind of substance-free emotional symbolism that wins national elections, John McCain sniffed out in Palin a kind of Hollywood fairy tale: homegirl from small town, reluctant beauty queen, plucky point guard, deadly shot and mother of five, suddenly--magically--plucked from obscurity and thrust into the national spotlight.

Come to think of it, even Julia Roberts might have turned down this half-baked script (though the chance to sport a beehive and have a movie hubby as hunky as Todd would surely have been a temptation). But Palin--who replied to her first shouted reporter's question about her readiness for the job with a crisp, Alaskan "Sure, yup, yup"--showed no such scruples. She'd made it refreshingly clear, early in the "vetting" process, that she had no notion of what a vice president does--another big plus, no doubt, in McCain's view.

Because Palin is not on the ticket to do anything. She's on the ticket to be something. It's all about firing up the non-ideological center--which can only be done by drowning the economic sufferings of average Americans once again under a wave of whitebred, flag-waving, faux populism. And it has rarely been put across more effectively than she did Thursday night.

This tough politician is hardly "just your average hockey mom who signed up for the PTA," by a long stretch, but that doesn't make a damn bit of difference in American politics. Palin is certainly an extremist--but she doesn't come across like one, so the label is going to be tough to stick on her. All that matters, in our twisted and media-soaked politics, is that you play the part well. Palin's apparently got the knack. No matter how the plot might strain credulity, the performance was Oscar-worthy. And the Democrats have got themselves a whole new set of worries.

When Palin cracked wise about Barack Obama or the media, she delivered the lines like a snarky neighbor leaning over the fence, complaining about the elitists--or the "good old boys"--to her next-door neighbor. Her dandiest line of the night, equally well delivered, was directed at Obama's stupid comment about the bitterness of struggling Americans: "We tend to prefer a candidate," she said, "who doesn't talk about us one way in Scranton and another way in San Francisco." This, more than anything, made me cringe. However much I admire Obama, it carried the ring of home truth--delivered by someone who can make such lines hit home.

It's all pure-T bullshit, of course: another "everyday" politician who's going to put the screws to every working person in America if she gets the chance. But so was Nixon's populism, and Reagan's, and Bush's. Americans fully expect bullshit from their politicians. It only matters that it's the right kind. And Sarah Palin, as we learned last night, is frighteningly full of it.

Yeah, that Democratic convention was completely off the cuff.There wasn't a script to be found anywhere near it.

The difference is that it wasn't just a constant drone of smears, attacks, and lies, the criticism of McCain was the absolute truth.

Only the GOP engages in this constant swiftboating..

The extreme reaction to Palin is evidence that she's the right pick. After all, what kind of reaction do you EXPECT when the opposition is smacked upside the head?

Recalls the months of foaming at the mouth the entire right wing did over Jeremiah Wright..

You've got your talking points down, do you just copy and paste or do they allow you some leeway?

The speech did what was intended. It's showed her likability, and that's a very important thing to get across as early as possible.

When I compare her to Hillary, she seems like she's a much nicer person (whether she is or not, she comes off that way).

I also though of it this way. Between she and Hillary, if I could date either one of those two women, it would definitely be Palin; hands down, and not because of her looks. Physically, she's not my type, but I have no doubt that she would certainly be more fun to hang out with than Hillary. Now I wouldn't base a vote on that, I'm just pointing out that she seems like a nice lady.

She's upbeat, and that's a great plus when it comes to leadership. Ronald Reagan's popularity and success had everything to do with his optimism, and the ability to communicate that optimism. It was infectious, and she may have a similar ability. Apparently she must, because she's wildly popular at home, with an 80+ per cent approval rating. That's uncommon for any politician. People are far more willing to go along with someone they actually like than someone they don't. That's just human nature.

McCain needed someone up beat to energize this campaign and excite his base. She's definitely the right person for that, regardless of the issues. Since our presidential campaigns are more about popularity these days, this pick is no surprise.

The same could be said for Obama for that matter. There are millions of people who just like the guy, despite the issues. He too has the ability communicate and get people into an optimistic frame of mind, which is one reason that I believe this race will be far more close than many are assuming it will be.

VP's aren't really very significant anyway, unless the President dies in office or becomes incapacitated. I know I know; they're one heartbeat away from the Presidency, but how often does anything actually happen to put them there?? It's only happened a few times in our history

They're basically nothing more than glorified understudies, but if the pick helps to energize the base and is well received by Americans in general, it can only help the campaign. I'm seein' a few folks on TV this morning giving her good reviews, and some are even saying that they like her, even though they may disagree with her on the issues.

A few liberals are even admitting it was a good speech and among them was Joe Biden, which is very significant. He called her tough, said debating her is going to be tough, and will take a great deal of preparation.

I also get the feeling that she's being way underestimated by many on the left, and that's agood thing for her. It gives her an edge.

I don't find anything likeable about McCain, or this lady who is a wacky creationist who wants the same thing Dick Cheney wants and who will work for the elite whom own the GOP.

Just the war issue alone is all we need to know, are you ready for McCains war against Iran? Do you have any idea the mistake that would be?

What an arrogant, passive agressive little Barbie bitch. Hillary has more class and I can't stand her either.

The fact that these stooges were throwing "red meat" to their base shows just what kind of trash comprises their base. I couldn't tell who was the bigger douche: The Weatherman, Elmer Fudd, or the Ferengi.

Recalls the months of foaming at the mouth the entire right wing did over Jeremiah Wright..

Rightly so. Are you trying to say the Sarah Palin equates to Wright?

You've got your talking points down, do you just copy and paste or do they allow you some leeway?

It makes perfect logical sense. The opposition will only praise McCain's VP selection if they do not view her as a threat. And this particular opposition is heartless, cruel, and just downright mean. Therefore, they are throwing as much dung as they can pull out of whatever orifices they have at her in hopes of destroying her and her family. I mean, seriously, what modern female politician has ever been accused of neglecting her family by running for office? Did anyone call Edwards' office and demand paternity tests on his lover's baby?

You forgot to make a reference to the fever swamps, hadit. Are you feeling alright?

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Why am I not surprised the gop faithful are infatuated with a well coifed but snarky and whiney ankle biter.

She reeks of two-faced duplicity, and is the embodiment of the criticism that is heaped on Hillary by sufferers of Clinton Derangement Syndrome

The extreme reaction to Palin is evidence that she's the right pick.

Actually the defensiveness of the right about Pallin's qualifications is a sure sign they're whistling past the graveyard. First a maverick who once called the Pat Robertson a union boss, now a pro abstinence zealot who can't get the message to her own family! Oyve!

hadit The extreme reaction to Palin is evidence that she's the right pick. After all, what kind of reaction do you EXPECT when the opposition is smacked upside the head?
I'll hold my water on that verdict until she debates Biden. In fact, I'm very much looking forward to it.

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It's okay when she does it, though. It's only bad when other people do it.

It makes perfect logical sense. The opposition will only praise McCain's VP selection if they do not view her as a threat. And this particular opposition is heartless, cruel, and just downright mean. Therefore, they are throwing as much dung as they can pull out of whatever orifices they have at her in hopes of destroying her and her family.


Was this the basis of the rightwing attacks on John McCain, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, and, well, anyone who has opposed them?

Or is it different when rightwingers do it?

I don't think you guys realize how much you do all the stuff you're constantly accusing "the left" of doing, or how much of your summaries of the motivations of these perceived attacks are really your own.

Was this the basis of the rightwing attacks on John McCain, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, and, well, anyone who has opposed them?

Or is it different when rightwingers do it?

I don't think you guys realize how much you do all the stuff you're constantly accusing "the left" of doing, or how much of your summaries of the motivations of these perceived attacks are really your own.

All politicians attack one another. It's a business, and in that business, attacking and defeating political opponents is the path to the top of the food chain and the way to get an agenda transformed from an idea into law.

All of the politicians you mentioned who have been attacked have each leveled their own attacks at their own political opponents. It comes with the territory, and politics isn't a business for the thin skinned.

IN a way, DC politics reminds me of professional wrestling. These people openly and very publicly attack one another, and at the end of the day, they also hang out and drink together.

Every election cycle I hear about how horrible negative campaigning is when in fact, going negative wins elections and it will never go away. This is the nature of politics.

Members of both major parties attack one another, and one anothers' policies and proposals every day. That's exactly how the system was set up to operate. It's like a debating society with power to make laws based on the outcome of debates, and the subsequent votes which are based on the content of the debate.

House and Senate members parade up to the podium and take turns pointing out the good, as well as the bad of every proposal that comes before them. That's their job.

I just don't see how that's bad. It happens all over America in the private sector every day too; in board rooms, at sales meetings, etc.

Many people don't like to be wrong, or appear wrong (especially in front of other people) about anything, and people will defend themselves and attack those who openly disagree with them. No one likes to stand up and take it on the chin in front of others. That goes against basic human instinct. Many people are also passionate about what they believe in, and pointing out why the opposition may hold the wrong opinion on an issue is fair. Both sides are allowed equal time and they both do the same thing. There's offense, theirs defense, and once in a while, there's very little of either and laws are passed overwhelmingly..

Defending positions and attacking opposing positions is very often what it takes to convince others that a position or proposal is the right one, and tearing down, or pointing out the flaws of the opposition is a very good way of getting these points across. If this didn't work no one would be doing it.

The difference is that it wasn't just a constant drone of smears, attacks, and lies, the criticism of McCain was the absolute truth.

Only the GOP engages in this constant swiftboating..Odd...I thought barry spent the first 30-40 minutes attacking Bush and McCain (as if Bush is still running)

Barry = Barack?

What happened to Barack Hussein Obama? It's in your interest to hammer the idea that he is a fist-jabbing Muslim terrorist.

When I was a kid, fights always took a certain amount of time to ramp up, with insults and threats going back and forth, until one guy hit a tipping point and started beating on the other guy. This is where this is headed, and we may as well get the weapons locked and loaded.

This isn't going to come back to where we can "all just get along". That's long gone and the folks who make money and gain their own power by pitting us against each other aren't concerned about where the average idiot - who isn't a professional debater and can't just shake hands after being insulted - will end up when the hate finally hits their trigger point. There's a civil war coming, and this election is going to trigger it.

If the uppity negro gets into the WH, it'll be triggered by violence from the Right. If the PTSD Viet Nam vet and his backwoods, holy-roller sidekick take the helm, it'll be the Left that'll launch the insurgency. Either way, it's over for this nation.

We all just assume that the average three-teeth, double-digit thinker has the capacity to let it go after being tweaked for a year and a half about the upcoming transfer of power, but this is where we're going to discover just how wrong we are about the sweaty masses in this society. It may work out in a Super Bowl, or World Series, but there is a core realization that even if these morons hang all their dreams on a pro team winning a championship game, the outcome isn't really going to affect their lives. Both sides of this championship series have completely convinced them - and the Bush/Cheny years have solidified the true nature of how much direct impact the presidency really can have on each of us - that their very lives depend on who gets in the Oval Office this time around.

The hard Right has its fears of Obama sneaking a Muslim insurgency into the WH, and the Rightwing pundits and alternative media has been feeding this fear for months now. the average idiot with a cable modem does have the intellectual capacity to determine hardball political strategy from a true dire warning, and he's swalling this bullshit by the bucketload.

The Left has NEVER been so scared and resolved to make sure that the GOP don't get another 4 years to "finish the job" they started with the last 8 years. 9/11 and the insane GOP led aftermath really did change the world for every American, and the Right doesn't seem to understand that the Left has become just as scared as they are, only the Left is afraid of what the Right has in store for them, and not of what the "Islamic Fascists" (all 6,000 of those scraggly little bastards) have in store. To say that they are prepared to take the matter into their own hands - in a last ditch effort at raw survival - is to understate what's become really obvious in the last yar or so. Especially since the WH began its push to invade Iran started and the similarities between the Iraq run-up began showing up.

The entire monetary system of the US - due to the reckless deregulation of the banking industry by the GOP leadership - is on the brink of collapse, and the GOP is pushing for another war with Iran. The Rovian smear machine has launched into flat out smear campaign attack against the Left's choice for a last shot at escaping a complete meltdown, and believe me when I say that it's one thing to have the Clintons attack Obama - the Left likes the Clintons for the most part, and can forgive them - but it's another thing entirely when the people who most of us believe brought us to the dire mess we're in right now start attacking Obama, who the Left sees as the last chance at what we've long seen as our own national survival. And God help the Right if they succeed in burying Obama's candidacy in a tidal wave of Bush/Rove style dirty smears and serious voting irregularities. The results, after two previous questionable "wins" by the corporate GOP already, could be immediate and catastrophic.

My advice is to get to a red state gun show and get yourself armed to the teeth. Our miltary is gone, buried in the "surge" along with most of our National Guard, and the cops can't do anything but fill out the paperwork to explain how you died after it's all over. Either the Right or the Left is going to launch this thing, but once it's launched, it won't matter anymore. There'll be enough killing to satisfy both sides of this debate before a week passes.

Then it'll all collapse into shit, and the killing will be over food and property. I wonder who the future will blame for this?

My advice is to get to a red state gun show and get yourself armed to the teeth. Our miltary is gone, buried in the "surge" along with most of our National Guard, and the cops can't do anything but fill out the paperwork to explain how you died after it's all over. Either the Right or the Left is going to launch this thing, but once it's launched, it won't matter anymore. There'll be enough killing to satisfy both sides of this debate before a week passes.

Then it'll all collapse into shit, and the killing will be over food and property.

Great post, Nor'easter.

I'm sure as hell ready for anything. My house is fully enabled with a state-of-the-art security system, and my personal arsenal would arm a National Guard unit.

BTW, Texas gun shows are like nothing I've seen elsewhere.

Great post, Nor'easter.

I'm sure as hell ready for anything. My house is fully enabled with a state-of-the-art security system, and my personal arsenal would arm a National Guard unit.

BTW, Texas gun shows are like nothing I've seen elsewhere.

We have some good ones in Ohio and N. Kentucky, but probably not as good as Texas. I'm torn between the stopping power and magazine capacity of something big, and the handling and readily available ammo and parts supply that a small caliber piece, like a 9mm Beretta, brings to the table. This is my first buy and I don't want to get it wrong. Also, I have to look at one that I can get ammo for on an ongoing basis in the field. One that'll have a widespread market saturation so that when I get a kill, I have a good chance at being able to use the ammo left behind by the guy I popped. This has me leaning away from assault rifles and toward simple mass market handguns.

Any suggestions?

Great post, Nor'easter.

I'm sure as hell ready for anything. My house is fully enabled with a state-of-the-art security system, and my personal arsenal would arm a National Guard unit.

BTW, Texas gun shows are like nothing I've seen elsewhere.

Guido!!! Who kidnapped you and took your brain??? Did your NRA neighbor sneak into your computer while you were listening to Amy Goodman???:not:

Okay, I know who Palin reminds me of now. Remember the Vancom Lady from MAD TV?

Okay, I know who Palin reminds me of now. Remember the Vancom Lady from MAD TV?

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Her pageant pics remind me of Marcy D'arcy from Married with Children.

If the uppity negro gets into the WH, it'll be triggered by violence from the Right.

Until today, I never knew 'uppity' was a racial insult and was not PC. The tolerant left forgot to inform me I suppose.

But to my point, What makes you believe the right will trigger violence? As far as I can tell, it's the left that brings the issue up and it's the left that historically resorts to violence. Hell, just look at their history and methods of attacking/silencing conservatives

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Her pageant pics remind me of Marcy D'arcy from Married with Children.


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Quite possibly the worst convention speech I've ever heard .. the big question is will McSame lower the bar further with his and live down to expectations ?

Most. Watched. Convention. Ever.

Most. Watched. Convention. Ever.

Hmmm, good point. Didn't McCain trump the anointed one and Palin absolutely trounce Plugs Biden?

So childish insults and lies revs them up, what will they do in office? Throw their crayons at the WH press briefings and crank call Adminejihad??

Most. Watched. Convention. Ever.

People love to watch accidents and disasters .. natural and man made

Hmmm, good point. Didn't McCain trump the anointed one and Palin absolutely trounce Plugs Biden?

They certainly cracked open the kegs of bile and vitriol in St Paul .. the hazmat teams are still cleaning up there

http://pollingreport.com/images/ABCeffective.GIF

People love to watch accidents and disasters .. natural and man made



They certainly cracked open the kegs of bile and vitriol in St Paul .. the hazmat teams are still cleaning up there

Sour grapes, sour grapes.