Google
 

View Full Version : The 16th Amendment


302Riz
07-31-2008, 09:08 PM
You do not have to pay an income tax! No where in the constitution or in the Amendment itself, does it state that you have to pay an income tax.

Your income was considered private money, not income which by law does not have to be taxed! We are all being fleeced by the Government! Federal Reserve Bank

Ironweed
07-31-2008, 09:11 PM
Can you shrink your signature a little? It is kind of annoying.

KruSader
07-31-2008, 09:12 PM
So is yours! I would hate to be subject to a big old hilliary beer burp.

302Riz
07-31-2008, 09:17 PM
Can you shrink your signature a little? It is kind of annoying.

No.I will not. You can turn signatures off, if you so choose. Now back to the topic unless you are deliberately steering my thread off topic for some odd reason.

KruSader
07-31-2008, 09:20 PM
Sorry but as long as the IRS exsists, you will pay income taxes or you will go to jail. Fair Tax is the way. Abolish the IRS!

302Riz
07-31-2008, 09:25 PM
Sorry but as long as the IRS exsists, you will pay income taxes or you will go to jail. Fair Tax is the way. Abolish the IRS!

There have been countless trials where people have fought the IRS and won. Due to the fact that the IRS cannot prove that a law exists giving them the right to confiscate your earnings.

Abolish the IRS. Besides, all that money that is collected goes to the Federal Reserve to pay the governments debts and interest. Corporate taxes pay for our defense, the gasoline tax pays for our roads, local taxes pay for our police and schools. There is no need for a federal tax.

KruSader
07-31-2008, 09:39 PM
National sales tax is the way to go. You buy something you pay. No one has loop holes, no one gets over. You Buy, you pay. Drug dealers buy some new spinners, they pay. Coporate *******s buy a new jet, they pay. No more tax laywers, no more IRS employees, No more rich dodging taxes. Anyone who buys anything pays.

302Riz
07-31-2008, 09:48 PM
You buy something you pay. No one has loop holes, no one gets over. You Buy, you pay. Drug dealers buy some new spinners, they pay. Coporate *******s buy a new jet, they pay. No more tax laywers, no more IRS employees, No more rich dodging taxes. Anyone who buys anything pays.

Amen to that, hoss!

Ironweed
08-01-2008, 08:37 AM
So is yours! I would hate to be subject to a big old hilliary beer burp.

Don't like beer? How about whiskey?

http://www.discussanything.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=8&pictureid=75

Ironweed
08-01-2008, 09:02 AM
There have been countless trials where people have fought the IRS and won.

List these cases, please. Hell, list one of them.

And while you're at it, explain whyIrwin Schiff (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47027) is currently rotting in jail if there's no statutory grounds for an income tax.

Due to the fact that the IRS cannot prove that a law exists giving them the right to confiscate your earnings.

Nonsense. Or at any rate, here's a Supreme Court case from 1916...



http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=CASE&court=US&vol=240&page=1]BRUSHABER v. UNION PACIFIC R. CO

relevant extract:

This is the text of the Amendment:

'The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.'
It is clear on the face of this text that it does not purport to confer power to levy income taxes in a generic sense,-an authority already possessed and never questioned, [240 U.S. 1, 18] -or to limit and distinguish between one kind of income taxes and another, but that the whole purpose of the Amendment was to relieve all income taxes when imposed from apportionment from a consideration of the source whence the income was derived. Indeed, in the light of the history which we have given and of the decision in the Pollock Case, and the ground upon which the ruling in that case was based, there is no escape from the conclusion that the Amendment was drawn for the purpose of doing away for the future with the principle upon which the Pollock Case was decided; that is, of determining whether a tax on income was direct not by a consideration of the burden placed on the taxed income upon which it directly operated, but by taking into view the burden which resulted on the property from which the income was derived, since in express terms the Amendment provides that income taxes, from whatever source the income may be derived, shall not be subject to the regulation of apportionment.

which seems to make nonsense of your position.

soylentgreen
08-05-2008, 01:31 PM
There have been countless trials where people have fought the IRS and won. Due to the fact that the IRS cannot prove that a law exists giving them the right to confiscate your earnings. Urban legend propogated buy criminals selling books and tapes about how you can get out of paying income taxes.

As for taxes...I don't like them, generally. I realize some kind of tax is a necessity. I'd prefer to focus my energies on ways the government can control spending. Then we can all pay less tax...in whatever form that tax comes in.

Saison
08-05-2008, 01:57 PM
I could really use my taxes right about now. I'd rather not have them spent on this stupid war. :(

Freedom&Liberty
08-05-2008, 03:02 PM
I can relate to that. I'd rather not spend mine on Social Security or Medicare.

Google