Today, both Dems and Repubs met to discuss Bush's impeachment while working to never call it that.

He isn't being impeached.

""It looks like we are hosting an anger management class," Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Tex.) told his colleagues on the House Judiciary Committee this morning.

He had a point.

House Democrats had called the session, given the anodyne title "Executive Power and Its Constitutional Limitations," to allow the left wing to vent its collective spleen. The left, led by diminutive Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich (D-Ohio), wants impeachment proceedings against the president. Democratic leaders have made clear there will be no impeachment, because that would be practically ineffective (there isn't enough time) and politically reckless (it would disrupt a campaign environment that heavily favors Democrats)."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/roughsketch/?hpid=opinionsbox1

Any thoughts?

Any thoughts?

Dennis Kucinich has a hawt wife. Life is truly full of mysteries. :hmm:

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z26/gmork_hunting/kucinich.jpg

Other than that, it seems the Dems have been willing dance partners or void of any political sense when it has come to opposing the Bush Administration. For eight friggin' years. Sit down and shut up. As a class you've blown it, and pushing this any further is just going to make you look even more ridiculous.

Dennis Kucinich has a hawt wife. Life is truly full of mysteries. :hmm:

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z26/gmork_hunting/kucinich.jpg

Is he standing in hole? Or is she stand on his dick....?

I dunno but damn. that's a good trick.

Kucinich is da man! Too bad the hearings were just for show. For the Congressional scum to argue that the impeachment was for 'political purposes' means that every Congressional scumbag who voted to impeach Slick Willie should be on trial for perjury themselves. Close the US government down and flush it. Sharia law cannot be as flucked up as the shit that goes on here at the federal, state, and local levels.

Dennis Kucinich has a hawt wife. Life is truly full of mysteries. :hmm:

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z26/gmork_hunting/kucinich.jpg

Other than that, it seems the Dems have been willing dance partners or void of any political sense when it has come to opposing the Bush Administration. For eight friggin' years. Sit down and shut up. As a class you've blown it, and pushing this any further is just going to make you look even more ridiculous.

Setting limits on love and where it can and cannot be found among consenting adults is one of those things that betrays some folks as foolish individuals of severely limited vision.

Picking a mate and standing by them through thick and thin is, to my way of seeing things a great virtue.

Giving pause to a relationship that isn't yours or that you don't comprehend the nature of, tends to throw a spotlight on an individuals personal limitations.

What I find galling is the idea that ANY party's obtaining the White house is more important than protecting and preserving the integrity and security the United States of America and it's people.

Impeachment is more than called for, and doing so should be our elected representative's duty, and placed before all else ( As called for in the oath of office for the lowliest elected official.)

Is he standing in hole? Or is she stand on his dick....?

At least HE has one, as well as a set of gonads to go with them, unlike some I can think of.

Setting limits on love and where it can and cannot be found among consenting adults is one of those things that betrays some folks as foolish individuals of severely limited vision.

Picking a mate and standing by them through thick and thin is, to my way of seeing things a great virtue.

Ermm, put down the bong, okay?

Giving pause to a relationship that isn't yours or that you don't comprehend the nature of, tends to throw a spotlight on an individuals personal limitations.

He is as ugly as penguin with pimples and she is hawt enough to have been a model. Is that what you mean?

What I find galling is the idea that ANY party's obtaining the White house is more important than protecting and preserving the integrity and security the United States of America and it's people.

Well, get your gall bladder removed, I guess. Bush sort of won in 2000 and did win in 2004. Vox populi, vox dei.

Impeachment is more than called for, and doing so should be our elected representative's duty, and placed before all else ( As called for in the oath of office for the lowliest elected official.)

Congress was his partner in crime. If he goes, they all should, too. Maybe excepting Ron Paul and, yes, Kucinich. And that black guy who kept wads of $100 bills in his freezer. (He's great comic relief.) So 3/535 (House and all the Senate) gives us a 99% plus removal rate of the stooges.

That I could go for, personally.

The left, led by diminutive Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich

What difference does his height make?

If he were fat, tall, bald, in a wheelchair etc etc would those physical characterisitcs be important enough to mention ?

Lets try some on for size and see how they would read ..

The left, led by fat Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich

The left, led by wheelchair bound Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich

The left, led by bald Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich

I think the effeminately named blogger Dana Milbank could have some unresolvable size issues of his own

Maybe excepting Ron Paul and, yes, Kucinich. And that black guy who kept wads of $100 bills in his freezer. (He's great comic relief.) So 3/535 (House and all the Senate) gives us a 99% plus removal rate of the stooges.

I HAD thought Ron Paul to be someone worth a second look.

But, I can see by your support, and your display of disdain for any sort of dialogue while supporting him, that i was mistaken. (My bad)

If that is the guy you support, he too must be trash and discarded from all consideration.

Thanks for clearing up the point.

Too bad the hearings were just for show.Not to mention being a complete waste of time and effort. Bush will be out of there in 6 months. It would take longer than that to remove him from office through impeachment.

Meanwhile...we've got seriously massive problems facing our nation that no one in Congress wants to deal with.

More than a few people would disagree with that pronouncement.

It would be one heck of a worth while endeaver....

Why not put it to a national vote?

Let the citizens of our nation have a say.

I HAD thought Ron Paul to be someone worth a second look.

As opposed whom?

But, I can see by your support, and your display of disdain for any sort of dialogue while supporting him, that i was mistaken. (My bad)

Dialogue about what, exactly? Your uber-groovy take on the search for true love?

Or that the Democrats have bent over and grabbed their collective ankles for eight years while getting rogered time and time again by the Cheney Administration? And only NOW seem to have reached some sort of dim-bulb realization that things might not have been as they seemed? And that of course, none of it, not one bit of it can be laid at their doorstep.

If that is the guy you support, he too must be trash and discarded from all consideration.

I said Kucinich could stay, too. I guess by LiberTBell logic, that means he should get tossed?

Thanks for clearing up the point.

No problem. I tried very hard to keep it to words one syllable, so I wouldn't be talking over your head. Glad I succeeded.

I said Kucinich could stay, too. I guess by LiberTBell logic, that means he should get tossed? .

Absolutely.. since you seem to have a knack for doing and saying the wrong thing at all the wrong times.

You, like idiot George can be depended on to get everything wrong.



No problem. I tried very hard to keep it to words one syllable, so I wouldn't be talking over your head. Glad I succeeded.

I appreciate the effort... It must be hard to come up with those little zingers while bent over a log with your mouth full.

More than a few people would disagree with that pronouncement.

It would be one heck of a worth while endeaver....
The only people who would disagree are those who have no sense of what is practical. Why would you undertake a lengthy impeachment proceeding when the guy's term will end before you can remove him? It's pure stupidity.

Meanwhile...as I said...important business would be neglected.


Why not put it to a national vote?

Let the citizens of our nation have a say.That would be great...except for the tiny little fact that there is no provision for that in our Constitution. Are you recommending that we discard the Constitution?

The only people who would disagree are those who have no sense of what is practical. Why would you undertake a lengthy impeachment proceeding when the guy's term will end before you can remove him? It's pure stupidity.

Meanwhile...as I said...important business would be neglected.


That would be great...except for the tiny little fact that there is no provision for that in our Constitution. Are you recommending that we discard the Constitution?

In politics POSTURE is important... each aprty signals the other with intents and meanings.

NOT Impeaching him means he's an okay guy who's hit a roug patch.

The reality is however, he was NEVER up to the job, is incompetant, and a clear and present danger to our nation.

Who cares if he's to leave before it's completed... do it anyway.

As for a referendum, it's only to find out the wishes of the American people.

Do the majority of us want him gone NOW?

What's wrong with asking?

As for a referendum, it's only to find out the wishes of the American people.

Do the majority of us want him gone NOW?

What's wrong with asking?

This question was asked and answered already;

'Would you favor or oppose the impeachment by Congress of President Bush and VP Cheney?'

From the 'Insideradvantage poll'

Favor; 39%

Opposed; 55%

Undecided/don't know; 6%

From the Rasmussen Poll;

39% Favor

49% Opposed

12% Not sure

These are the latest results taken by these polls and both polls are consistent.

So where is your majority of Americans you talk about that favor impeachment?

The Constitution REQUIRES it for people that have committed the crimes the BA has, it doesn't matter what time of the year it is or if it hurts the feelings of the rednecks or if his term is almost over.

Do we allow murderers to go free if it's been many years since they committed their crimes?

This nation either stops sucking up to tyrants and fascists and puts them in jail, or this country is done for, I know the neo-conazi's would love to finish off what's left of the US and civilization just like their Muslim brothers, but that doesn't mean we should let these fanatics have their way.

This question was asked and answered already;

'Would you favor or oppose the impeachment by Congress of President Bush and VP Cheney?'

From the 'Insideradvantage poll'

Favor; 39%

Opposed; 55%

Undecided/don't know; 6%

From the Rasmussen Poll;

39% Favor

49% Opposed

12% Not sure

These are the latest results taken by these polls and both polls are consistent.

So where is your majority of Americans you talk about that favor impeachment?

Source please.

QUOTE=Corporate Avenger;1681080]The Constitution REQUIRES it for people that have committed the crimes the BA has, it doesn't matter what time of the year it is or if it hurts the feelings of the rednecks or if his term is almost over.

Do we allow murderers to go free if it's been many years since they committed their crimes?

This nation either stops sucking up to tyrants and fascists and puts them in jail, or this country is done for, I know the neo-conazi's would love to finish off what's left of the US and civilization just like their Muslim brothers, but that doesn't mean we should let these fanatics have their way.[/QUOTE]

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The Constitution REQUIRES it for people that have committed the crimes the BA has, it doesn't matter what time of the year it is or if it hurts the feelings of the rednecks or if his term is almost over.

Do we allow murderers to go free if it's been many years since they committed their crimes?

This nation either stops sucking up to tyrants and fascists and puts them in jail, or this country is done for, I know the neo-conazi's would love to finish off what's left of the US and civilization just like their Muslim brothers, but that doesn't mean we should let these fanatics have their way.

The swamp gas buildup is reaching a critical limit. We need to get this election done fast, before the creatures start having strokes.

QUOTE=Corporate Avenger;1681080]The Constitution REQUIRES it for people that have committed the crimes the BA has, it doesn't matter what time of the year it is or if it hurts the feelings of the rednecks or if his term is almost over.

Do we allow murderers to go free if it's been many years since they committed their crimes?

This nation either stops sucking up to tyrants and fascists and puts them in jail, or this country is done for, I know the neo-conazi's would love to finish off what's left of the US and civilization just like their Muslim brothers, but that doesn't mean we should let these fanatics have their way.

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Do you need more examples or what? Do you have the slightest clue as to what damage Bush has done to the Constitution and the country? Do you have any idea how the scum on wall st. has waged war on this country?

The swamp gas buildup is reaching a critical limit. We need to get this election done fast, before the creatures start having strokes.

Apparently it works pretty well on you guys, maker you vote for corporatist a-holes like McBush!

The mainstream media, and even the right wing media admits ( grudgingly) that Bush's presidency has been a complete and total failure.

His failed presidency has cost the lives of tens of thousands, and will cost many, many more before the concentric rings of destruction he's generated fade into the distence.

His actions have been no less than high treason on every front and in every fatally flawed policy.

It also noted in the media that REpublicans have had their brand tainted to the point where holding a republican voter registration card is akin to holding a Nazi party identification.

The of impeachment is far, far more important than anything else on the scorched landscape as it pertains to America's image and standing in the international community.

The of impeachment is far, far more important than anything else on the scorched landscape as it pertains to America's image and standing in the international community.I think it is truly scary that they let braindead people vote.

I can name 1000 things that Congress should be doing right now that are more important than the impeachment of a lame duck president. The fact that you can't see that just confirms the fact that you have an complete and utter lack of any critical thinking skills whatsoever.

NOT Impeaching him means he's an okay guy who's hit a roug patch.No, it does not mean he's "an okay guy"...it just means that very little of any substance will come out of it and there are far more important things to be focusing on right now.

Would you insist on detaining a robber in your home at the same time your child is drowning in the swimming pool? Which is more important to you?

If you care about looking like a badass, maybe holding the criminal would be your priority. But, if you care about your family, you'd let him go.

Our country is drowning and all you want to do is grandstand and delay possible solutions. That's dumb.


Who cares if he's to leave before it's completed... do it anyway.There are bigger fish to fry.

As for a referendum, it's only to find out the wishes of the American people.Again, how would you organize the referrendum and get it on all the ballots across the nation? There is no mechanism anywhere to do that. There is no Constitutional presidence for it either.

Of course, you never let the Constitution get in your way.

The Constitution REQUIRES it for people that have committed the crimes the BA has, it doesn't matter what time of the year it is or if it hurts the feelings of the rednecks or if his term is almost over.Yet, all it would do is remove him from office. He would not go to jail. And, if he has done something illegal, he will not be immune from prosecution simply because his term has ended. Going after him in a criminal proceeding would be far more useful.

As I said...you couldn't gather the evidence and hold an impeachment trial in the 6 months he has left. So, there's no point.

Do we allow murderers to go free if it's been many years since they committed their crimes?You seem to be confused. An impeachment is NOT a criminal proceeding. The only consequence of a guilty verdict is removal from office.

Perhaps you think removing murderers from their jobs is appropriate punishment?

No, it does not mean he's "an okay guy"...it just means that very little of any substance will come out of it and there are far more important things to be focusing on right now..

For reasons I've already stated, I disagree.

Would you insist on detaining a robber in your home at the same time your child is drowning in the swimming pool? Which is more important to you?.

You're a gun nut...You telling me you wouldn't have time to squeeze off a few rounds before diving into the pool?

If you care about looking like a badass, maybe holding the criminal would be your priority. But, if you care about your family, you'd let him go..

And you want to let George W. bush go?

I don't.

Our country is drowning and all you want to do is grandstand and delay possible solutions. That's dumb..

And you want to let idiot George off the hook.

None of his actions rise to the level of impeachable in your book?

Seriously?

There are bigger fish to fry..

Then YOU have a fish fry.

I want a Bush fry.

Again, how would you organize the referrendum and get it on all the ballots across the nation? There is no mechanism anywhere to do that. There is no Constitutional presidence for it either..

Yeah, the internet is way too slow and disorganizd to be able to make use of all those databases....<yawn>

Of course, you never let the Constitution get in your way.

Why should it?

I never took an oath of office, and so far, nobody that HAS seems interested in doing their job, or following its lead.


BTW, are you aware that you are arguing on Bush's behalf with someone who could care less about his comfort, legacy, or what would be convienient for him?

I want him on trial, and you can't convince me he doesn't deserve to be there.

Impeachment is a no brainer.

Do you really believe I'm going to say or even imply otherwise?

If you do, guess again.

Source please.

Suggest you try taking reading 101 over 'again'.

I listed both sources......

You're a gun nut...You telling me you wouldn't have time to squeeze off a few rounds before diving into the pool?

A parent who would do that not only should not have a gun, they should not have a child. Thinking Congress should just continue taking potshots at Bush while refusing us access to our own energy sources is just stupid.

Apparently it works pretty well on you guys, maker you vote for corporatist a-holes like McBush!

Incoherence is one of the symptoms of swamp gas poisoning. The bottom line is that Bush will NOT be impeached. The Republicans know it, the democrats know it, everyone in Washington knows it. Therefore, this latest grandstanding scheme is just that, grandstanding and a monumental waste of time for a Congress that should be opening up Ted Kennedy's back yard for energy utilization.

A parent who would do that not only should not have a gun, they should not have a child. Thinking Congress should just continue taking potshots at Bush while refusing us access to our own energy sources is just stupid.

WEll, since nobodies drowning any kids while dealing with an armed intruder, it's moot, don't you think?

As for Congress not taking any potshots at Bush...They're not going to stop if they know whats good for them and their careers.

Not too many people will vote for someone who didin't.

The issue of impeachment has traction and is only lacking support from Pelosi, who took it off the table right after being elected.

Do you think anyone is ever going to forget that?

I don't.

And nobody is about to forget who America's most dangerous enemy is either... Geroge W. bush. ( The highly impeachable president.)

WEll, since nobodies drowning any kids while dealing with an armed intruder, it's moot, don't you think?

You asked, I answered.

As for Congress not taking any potshots at Bush...They're not going to stop if they know whats good for them and their careers.

Not too many people will vote for someone who didin't.

Style over substance, the Clinton standard? Statesmen would worry about what's best for the country, not getting cheap partisan points. Guess the democrats aren't fielding many statesmen.

The issue of impeachment has traction and is only lacking support from Pelosi, who took it off the table right after being elected.

Do you think anyone is ever going to forget that?

I don't.

Pelosi is the worst Speaker of all time. That won't be forgotten. I'm just surprised she's managed to get her sheep to goosestep in time to her whip and drum.

And nobody is about to forget who America's most dangerous enemy is either... Geroge W. bush. ( The highly impeachable president.)

And that's the good old fever swamp utterance I was waiting for. :nice:

It ain't gonna happen, BTW. It's just another in the long line of cheap political stunts that we've come to expect from Pelosi and Reid.

You asked, I answered.

Actually, Soy did and I responded.
You people on the right, the so called anti abortion gang like to fantasize about threats to kids.. so lets' please not threaten them or add them to your violent fantasies, okay?

Style over substance, the Clinton standard? Statesmen would worry about what's best for the country, not getting cheap partisan points. Guess the democrats aren't fielding many statesmen.

Clinton again?

... And you consider getting idiot George's foul smell out of the White House partison?

Do they have a drug that will allow you to tune in to realiity once and a while?

Pelosi is the worst Speaker of all time. That won't be forgotten. I'm just surprised she's managed to get her sheep to goosestep in time to her whip and drum.

While I'm no fan of Pelosi ( considering she took Impeachment off the table for party reasons as oppose to pursuing it for the good of the nation), she's hardly the worst ever.

And that's the good old fever swamp utterance I was waiting for. :nice:.

You might consider wearing a gas mask if that's the cause of your dysfunction.

There's no doubt that George W. bush has been prosecuting a war against the American people and has methodically granted each and every one of Ossama Bin Ladens wishes, including not catching him, or even trying to.

It is a sad thing that there are Americans, right here in the United States that don't like the country, it's people ( especially it's poor people), don't like it's principals, morals, ideals, or freedoms...

And they want to legislate it all away.

I would much prefer that they simply join up with the first terrorist organization that would have them so that we could "bring them to justice" and be done with it.

Actually, Soy did and I responded.
You people on the right, the so called anti abortion gang like to fantasize about threats to kids.. so lets' please not threaten them or add them to your violent fantasies, okay?

Just continuing the analogy. If you're really going to take it to that extreme, you brought up the whole idea of letting the kid drown while you shot at the robber. I advocated forgetting the robber until the kid is safe.

Clinton again?

... And you consider getting idiot George's foul smell out of the White House partison?

Do they have a drug that will allow you to tune in to realiity once and a while?

Reality? Does that even reach the swamp?

While I'm no fan of Pelosi ( considering she took Impeachment off the table for party reasons as oppose to pursuing it for the good of the nation), she's hardly the worst ever.

Certainly one of the most powermad.

You might consider wearing a gas mask if that's the cause of your dysfunction.

Only when driving by the swamp.

There's no doubt that George W. bush has been prosecuting a war against the American people and has methodically granted each and every one of Ossama Bin Ladens wishes, including not catching him, or even trying to.

Swamp gas.

It is a sad thing that there are Americans, right here in the United States that don't like the country, it's people ( especially it's poor people), don't like it's principals, morals, ideals, or freedoms...

And they want to legislate it all away.

Let's see, the democrats generally fall into the category of not liking the country (their standard bearer just went on a Eruopean tour, telling everyone how little pride he has in it), they look with contempt at the people (especially its poor, whom they will never allow to actually rise out of poverty), they certainly don't like its principals of freedom and individual accountability, they REALLY don't like its traditional morals (which they are trying at every point to overturn), and freedoms, don't even get me started. Yeah, it's sad.

I would much prefer that they simply join up with the first terrorist organization that would have them so that we could "bring them to justice" and be done with it.

I don't want to kill or even jail democrats. They're mostly nice people, albeit misguided. How violent you are. :nonono:

How violent you are. :nonono:

Actually, I, like water will mostly always choose the path of least resistence, but like any force of nature, I am to be respected for my potencial.

After all, I'm only human.

Actually, I, like water will mostly always choose the path of least resistence, but like any force of nature, I am to be respected for my potencial.
After all, I'm only human.

I definitely respect your "potencial" :nice:

As for Congress not taking any potshots at Bush...They're not going to stop if they know whats good for them and their careers.

Not too many people will vote for someone who didin't.

The issue of impeachment has traction and is only lacking support from Pelosi, who took it off the table right after being elected.

Do you think anyone is ever going to forget that?

I don't.

Since you don't live in California, it doesn't really matter what you think.
You just keep putting Clinton back into office so she can vote for the funding of the war you don't want us to win. Doesn't Hillary also believe, like Nancy, that impeachment is off the table?

they certainly don't like its principals of freedom


Is that principle of freedom the reason the government gave itself the authority to track what we read, watch & listen to? Why it gave itself the power to arrest & detain without warrant, charges or a trial? Why it's been snooping our email, evesdropping our phone calls, and spying on us? Is the principle of freedom behind the patriot acts?


they certainly don't like its principals of freedom and individual accountability,

Individual accountability being the reason we just passed a law granting phone companies retroactive immunity for illegal wiretapping, because the President said that if they're punished for breaking the law, there's a risk that they might not do it again. Is it THAT individual accountability? Or the Vice President hiding from the police and lying about his drinking activity to try to cover up being drunk when he shot someone? Or is it the principle of individual accountability that got Scooter Libby pardoned for perjury for lying to cover up illegal activity from Cheney's office?

Where are these principles of freedom and individual accountability?



they REALLY don't like its traditional morals (which they are trying at every point to overturn), and freedoms, don't even get me started. Yeah, it's sad.


Morals are a personal choice. They can't be overturned. Laws that infringe on our principle of freedom, however, CAN be overturned. But, that we have to do it at all kind of shoots a hole in your freedom blurb. Freedom me ans freedom to make your own choices in life. Our principle of freedom is what causes those morality laws to get over turned.

Since you don't live in California, it doesn't really matter what you think.
You just keep putting Clinton back into office so she can vote for the funding of the war you don't want us to win. Doesn't Hillary also believe, like Nancy, that impeachment is off the table?

<Chuckle> You do say the darndest things.

Like McCrazy is any sort of an option.

The next thing you'll be saying is that you don't want idiot George to leave office.

Other than missing the people of the United States hating his stinking guts every day he's also going to miss his boot lickers.

Hopefully, he won't have to miss you for too long after his sentencing.

They're not going to stop if they know whats good for them and their careers.

Not too many people will vote for someone who didin't.

The issue of impeachment has traction and is only lacking support from Pelosi, who took it off the table right after being elected.

Do you think anyone is ever going to forget that?

Who are you trying to fool? You're going to vote a straight Democrat ballot in November no matter what happens between now and then. Pelosi and the Gang know that. Doncha think? They know that there isn't any way kook fringe folks like yourself are going to vote Republican. You've got no where else to go.

You're a gun nut...You telling me you wouldn't have time to squeeze off a few rounds before diving into the pool?Have you always lived in Fantasy Land?

And you want to let George W. bush go?

I don't.

And you want to let idiot George off the hook.You seem to be confused. Impeachment would only remove Bush from office. It wouldn't send him to jail. If he's done something illegal, then by all means indict him in a court-of-law and send him to prison.

An impeachment is nothing but a waste of time.

None of his actions rise to the level of impeachable in your book?

Seriously?It really doesn't matter. He's on the way out and as I said, it would take longer to put the evidence together and have a trial than the time he has left. It's stupid.


Then YOU have a fish fry.

I want a Bush fry.Don't be retarded.


Yeah, the internet is way too slow and disorganizd to be able to make use of all those databases....<yawn>I didn't say it wasn't possible...I said it wasn't legal and/or Constitutional. Can you see the difference?


Why should it?

I never took an oath of office, and so far, nobody that HAS seems interested in doing their job, or following its lead.I see. So, only those who have taken an oath of office need to believe in the principles enshrined in our Constitution? Very interesting...


BTW, are you aware that you are arguing on Bush's behalf with someone who could care less about his comfort, legacy, or what would be convienient for him?Actually, this has very little to do with a defense of Bush. The point I'm making is one of practicality. There simply is not enough time to remove him from office before he's scheduled to go anyway. So what's the point? In the mean time, our nation is facing massive problems that no one wants to spend a minute talking about in Congress? I find that shocking and stupid.

As if.

There have been no shortages of people claiming to reasonably argue for practical approaches to our NOT taking any action against idiot George.

However, it isn't fooling anyone.

Idiot George is a crook, he's been at long last found out, he SHOULD pay, and all the comfort talk in the world isn't going to change anything.

Hang in there, though... there will be other idiots to follow.

As if.

There have been no shortages of people claiming to reasonably argue for practical approaches to our NOT taking any action against idiot George.

However, it isn't fooling anyone.

Idiot George is a crook, he's been at long last found out, he SHOULD pay, and all the comfort talk in the world isn't going to change anything.

Hang in there, though... there will be other idiots to follow.You're the only idiot here. You don't even understand that impeachment is no punishment at all. All it would do is remove him from office. What would that accomplish? Dick Cheney would become president. Is that what you're advocating?

What do you mean by GWB "should pay"? How would an impeachment accomplish that goal?

I know you don't care about law or the Constitution. You just want to drag ol George out of the West Wing and flog him for "crimes". If you don't want to adhere to law, why are you so angry that GWB is a "crook"? If that's the case, it looks to me like you and he are one in the same.

You're the only idiot here. You don't even understand that impeachment is no punishment at all. All it would do is remove him from office. What would that accomplish? Dick Cheney would become president. Is that what you're advocating?

What do you mean by GWB "should pay"? How would an impeachment accomplish that goal?

Bush's presidency is a historicly failed one, but he's broken the law more times than anyone is publicly willing to admit to.

Impeachment is the remedy America's forefathers handed us to deal with situations such as this.

As you pointed out, by the time impeachment gets anywhere, he'll be out of office anyway.

AS for Cheney taking over, the above statement applied to him too.

That said, I see no problem in awarding Bush's failed presidency all the trials, negative publicity and punishments it so justly deserves.

Lastly, I'd be a bit more careful of who you are calling an idiot, kid.

The only idiots I see are those who see a conspiracy behind every tree and continue to spout nonsense, be it impeachment or some other bullshit.

I think this country has other things that need brought to the table right now. The left should work with the right and stop the foot dragging and trying to deviate away from real solvable problems that we face right now. Energy, ending the war with honor and the economy, to name a few.

Soylentgeen is correct, continuing the debate on impeachment is smoke screen in the way of the urgent business of this country. Of all the hearing that Waxman has held, nothing has been accomplished except a waste of Congress' time and taxpayers money.

Bush's presidency is a historicly failed one, but he's broken the law more times than anyone is publicly willing to admit to.But you've already said you don't care about the law or the Constitution. So, I'm not sure how you justify your stance against Bush based on that.

Impeachment is the remedy America's forefathers handed us to deal with situations such as this.Indeed they did. It should be used at the appropriate time (when it will actually make a difference).

As you pointed out, by the time impeachment gets anywhere, he'll be out of office anyway.EXACTLY!!

AS for Cheney taking over, the above statement applied to him too.Do you intend to remove them simultaneously? I don't see how that would be possible.

Lastly, I'd be a bit more careful of who you are calling an idiot, kid.If you are indeed my elder, it is scary that someone could make it to your age and still be so ill informed...and at the same time be impervious to all logic and reason.

I am indeed your elder, and you are proving that the generations that came after me are NOT the red blooded Americans our forefathers fought and died to protect. ... far, far from it as a mater of fact.... ( Not that I needed any more proof of it after watching so many people hollering for a clear mental retard with delusions of being a messiah and a complete lack of understanding of what it means to be not only an American, but the leader of the free world.)

You've got all the words down pat, but miss their meaning completely... and like all life, you are more than likely passing down these horribly flawed positions to YOUR Next generation.

Scary indeed.

INot that I needed any more proof of it after watching so many people hollering for a clear mental retard with delusions of being a messiah and a complete lack of understanding of what it means to be not only an American, but the leader of the free world.

Don't talk about Obama like that, he can't help it. :rofl:

Don't talk about Obama like that, he can't help it. :rofl:

Cute, but still a comical dodge.

We can agree to disagree and accept that we see things differently.

Our life experiences have brought us to very different conclusions.

"I" am determined that future generations have as much of a chance to pull themselves up as possible in spite of all of the efforts the conservative and the right in general make to the contrary.

The nation has had enough of following behind the fatally flawed ideals of those who could care less about the harm they are doing to everyone in favor of their delusions.

I am indeed your elder, and you are proving that the generations that came after me are NOT the red blooded Americans our forefathers fought and died to protect. ...Hahaha...you mean that younger generations are not New York liberals who see themselves as the modern-day version of Robin Hood.

How can you claim to be a red-blooded American when you advocate scuttling the Constitution when it does not meet your immediate political needs? I'm confused about that.

I think you must need reading glasses in your old age. If you'll actually READ what those Founding Fathers you invoke said, you'll find that almost all of it is in direct opposition to the things you believe.

I'm confused about that..

<sigh> Yes Soy, you are clearly confused about many things..

The good news is that your confusion is no longer shared by many people.

It looks like the tide of delusions an confusion is receeding a bit.

Why not address the whole of what I actually said? I said that you are confusing becuase your arguments make no logical sense whatsoever.

You'd cut the Constutition off at it's knees to suit your personal beliefs...and at the same time call yourself an American patriot. That is what is so confusing.

Now, back to the topic:

"EXCLUSIVE: Pelosi Clashes With Protesters Over Impeachment "

"Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi's appearance Monday at a West Los Angeles college to discuss her recently published book was marred by dozens of protestors and several angry outbursts by audience members who demanded Pelosi immediately authorize a House committee to hold impeachment hearings against President George W. Bush.

The Speaker made it clear she would not support any effort to hold impeachment hearings against President Bush saying that the president "will be gone in a hundred days." "

http://www.pubrecord.org/nationworld/1-nationworld/255-pelosi-clashes-with-protesters-over-impeachment.html


She's clearly taking heat for her opposition to impeachment proceedings, and rightfully so.

I don't think she will be the "Speaker" after the election cycle for her chair comes around.


She's clearly broken faith with those who supported her, and been a huge dissappointment.

She's clearly broken faith with those who supported her, and been a huge dissappointment.As I've said before...you might as well get used to it. The Democrats know you're going to pull the lever for them in November no matter what...and so will those protesters. Where they going to go? Are they going to vote Repubican? No way in Hell.

So, get in line and do what you're told. Pelosi and the Gang are in charge and they'll tell you what you're supposed to do...not the other way around. Get it?

Why not address the whole of what I actually said? I said that you are confusing becuase your arguments make no logical sense whatsoever..

Hmmm...So.... You want me to address your unsupported opinions which you seem to insist are somehow relevant.....

I can argue against positions, and argue against actions, or inactions... but opinions... that's another thing entirely.

You are of course, entitled to your opinions ( Just as I am entitled to mine).

You'd cut the Constutition off at it's knees to suit your personal beliefs...and at the same time call yourself an American patriot. That is what is so confusing.

There's that bubble of "reality dysfunction" again.

Let me remind you that this is America and NOT Communist China where what you think is actionable and punishable.

The current occupant of the Oval Office has an "Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives"... forget the Separation of Church and State.

We currently have a policy of "Pre-emptive war"

George W. Bush, the so called leader of the free world stood shoulder to shoulder with the Chinese leader and said to Taiwan's leaders, who were struggling for independence and freedom from COMMUNIST oppression that they should not seek their freedom and that China was within it's rights to use military force to keep them as a client state.

So what was your point again?

Something about being at odds with the U.S. Constitution?........

As I've said before...you might as well get used to it. The Democrats know you're going to pull the lever for them in November no matter what...and so will those protesters. Where they going to go? Are they going to vote Repubican? No way in Hell.

So, get in line and do what you're told. Pelosi and the Gang are in charge and they'll tell you what you're supposed to do...not the other way around. Get it?

Wrong!

Unlike the archtype republican mindset, Dems, and especially lib. Dems don't think in lockstep.

If we don't like someone, we don't vote for them next time around.

Where are we going to go? We don't have to go anywhere.. it's OUR party.

Republicans CAN'T say that... it's the Neo-Cons Party.

Now, back to the topic:

"EXCLUSIVE: Pelosi Clashes With Protesters Over Impeachment "

"Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi's appearance Monday at a West Los Angeles college to discuss her recently published book was marred by dozens of protestors and several angry outbursts by audience members who demanded Pelosi immediately authorize a House committee to hold impeachment hearings against President George W. Bush.

The Speaker made it clear she would not support any effort to hold impeachment hearings against President Bush saying that the president "will be gone in a hundred days." "

http://www.pubrecord.org/nationworld/1-nationworld/255-pelosi-clashes-with-protesters-over-impeachment.html


She's clearly taking heat for her opposition to impeachment proceedings, and rightfully so.

I don't think she will be the "Speaker" after the election cycle for her chair comes around.


She's clearly broken faith with those who supported her, and been a huge dissappointment.

Dozens of protestors in Los Angeles? She can and will safely ignore a handful of people in a democrat city like LA. That's not taking heat, that's nothing.

Wrong!

Unlike the archtype republican mindset, Dems, and especially lib. Dems don't think in lockstep.

If we don't like someone, we don't vote for them next time around.

Where are we going to go? We don't have to go anywhere.. it's OUR party.

Republicans CAN'T say that... it's the Neo-Cons Party.

Moveon and the hard left took over the democrat party years ago. They call the shots now.

Moveon and the hard left took over the democrat party years ago. They call the shots now.

Cling to that thought if it gives you any comfort....That is the point to most delusions... comfort.

Moveon and the hard left took over the democrat party years ago. They call the shots now.

That is a fact whether LiberTBell thinks it or not. Its kind of not seeing the trees because of the forest. :P

Cling to that thought if it gives you any comfort....That is the point to most delusions... comfort.

Do you deny the control of the hard left over the party?

That is a fact whether LiberTBell thinks it or not. Of course this is true. If moveon had no power, Hillary would now be the presumptive nominee...not Obama.

Let me remind you that this is America and NOT Communist China where what you think is actionable and punishable.Ah, yes, unless it's "hate speech" or other such thought crimes that you liberals have cooked up.

The current occupant of the Oval Office has an "Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives"... forget the Separation of Church and State.Faith-based initiatives that your hero Obama wants to expand!! Pay attention, will you?

As for the "separation of church and state", if you can show me where that phrase exists in the constitution, then I'll concede your point. If you'd like to derive it from thin air, then I will interpret the Second Amendment to mean you're free to own a howitzer. Fair enough?

You can't have it both ways. You can't extract statements that aren't there just because they suit your political viewpoint...while at the same time insisting others with opposing viewpoints can't do exactly the same thing to support their cause(s).

We currently have a policy of "Pre-emptive war"I don't think I've ever said anything here or anywhere else in support of starting any war without a congressional declaration of war. So, your point is...well...pointless.

George W. Bush, the so called leader of the free world stood shoulder to shoulder with the Chinese leader and said to Taiwan's leaders, who were struggling for independence and freedom from COMMUNIST oppression that they should not seek their freedom and that China was within it's rights to use military force to keep them as a client state.So he is continuing the policy of the Clinton Administration...and your hero Obama will do the same.

Let me ask you this...are you prepared to go to war with China in order to give a tiny island freedom? Just wondering...

So what was your point again?

Something about being at odds with the U.S. Constitution?........Exactly! The constitution doesn't say anything about how commies should be handled overseas. The truth is while you decry communism in China, you are actively working to enact it here in the United States. I find that comical.

Wrong!

Unlike the archtype republican mindset, Dems, and especially lib. Dems don't think in lockstep.

If we don't like someone, we don't vote for them next time around.

Where are we going to go? We don't have to go anywhere.. it's OUR party.

You're not fooling anyone. You're not fooling me and you're not fooling Nancy Pelosi either. She may be a kook, but she's not stupid. She knows you'll all fall in line on election day. And you will. Period.

Who cares about impeachment. Mass murder isn't a political crime. neither is treason. There's no statute of limitations for the crimes these folks are guilty of. The charges are just sitting there until they leave office.

Moveon and the hard left took over the democrat party years ago. They call the shots now.


You're a delusional psycho! The Democratic party is run by centrists and right leaning corporatists, you wouldn't know a leftist if he kissed you on the cheek.

I hope you're getting paid to post this garbage, "the hard left controlling the Democratic party"?That's got to be one of the most moronic statements ever made..:nonono:

What a hack you are..

That is a fact whether LiberTBell thinks it or not. Its kind of not seeing the trees because of the forest. :P


LOL, another deluded one, you guys are crazy, I think it's more of this neo-con projection, now you're projecting the fact that the republican party is as far wacko right as it gets onto the Democrats being the opposite. If this was true Bush would have been kicked out of office years ago, there would have been no Iraq war, the Patriot act, etc.

You might want to try living in reality instead of the cartoon world brought to you by Rush Limbaugh..

You're not fooling anyone. You're not fooling me and you're not fooling Nancy Pelosi either. She may be a kook, but she's not stupid. She knows you'll all fall in line on election day. And you will. Period.


No, that's what you Republicans do, proven year after year by the scum you vote for because they have that "R" by their names, we only need to look at how people abandoned the loony Joe Lieberman after he made his hard turn to the fascist right.

I wouldn't vote for Nancy Pelosi for all the money in the world, she's violated her vow to the Constitution, she will go down in history as an enabler of the BA for not attempting to stop them.

Who cares about impeachment. Mass murder isn't a political crime. neither is treason. There's no statute of limitations for the crimes these folks are guilty of. The charges are just sitting there until they leave office.

It's gonna be funny hearing these clowns whine when various former BA officials are taken into custody and flown to the Hague for their war crimes, that is if they ever step foot outside the country. Outside the U.S. they won't be worshipped for killing people like they are here by the knuckledraggers in the trailer parks..

It's gonna be funny hearing these clowns whine when various former BA officials are taken into custody and flown to the Hague for their war crimes, that is if they ever step foot outside the country. Outside the U.S. they won't be worshipped for killing people like they are here by the knuckledraggers in the trailer parks..

Gee, I thought Bush just spent a few days in China, I wonder why he wasn't arrested and shipped to the Hague.

Hows your sixpack of Animal beer holding out?

Gee, I thought Bush just spent a few days in China, I wonder why he wasn't arrested and shipped to the Hague.

Hows your sixpack of Animal beer holding out?

He's still in office, they can't just go and grab a president, maybe you can figure out why.

Not like China would be the country to do that anyways!

Why do you support mass murderers?

You're a delusional psycho! The Democratic party is run by centrists and right leaning corporatists, you wouldn't know a leftist if he kissed you on the cheek.

I hope you're getting paid to post this garbage, "the hard left controlling the Democratic party"?That's got to be one of the most moronic statements ever made..:nonono:

What a hack you are..

I'm not the topic here, skippy.

You're not fooling anyone. You're not fooling me and you're not fooling Nancy Pelosi either. She may be a kook, but she's not stupid. She knows you'll all fall in line on election day. And you will. Period.

Gee, it's nice to be so predictable.

I should point out that Nancy is about as popular as idiot George is, and EVERYONE is waiting for a chance for a piece of him.

That said, your prediction is quite a bit off.

Who cares about impeachment. Mass murder isn't a political crime. neither is treason. There's no statute of limitations for the crimes these folks are guilty of. The charges are just sitting there until they leave office.

Point taken, which explains the Dem. ploy of waiting until he's out of office.

This situation, which we find ourselves in seems to mirror something I read somewhere..

It's right out of Machiavelli ( If you've ever read anything about the guy, you know he was a political genius )

Anyway, one of his mechanations was about taking over nations... Those with aims of taking over an established nation would send over as their emmisary someone brutal, obnoxious and hateful... the kind of person who would cause destruction that was totally pointless.... and continue to do so with the full backing of those who sent him indefinately.....

However, he was only the front man.... a way to soften up the people he was brutalizing.

This way, those brutalized would welcome the next, much nicer leader sent... and people usually did.

They found themselves happy.. relieved even, to be governed by this nice new leader who wasn't burning their houses and killing many of them every morning before breakfast.

Idiot George seems to fit the mold of the brutal, hamfisted, madman..

This situation, which we find ourselves in seems to mirror something I read somewhere..

It's right out of Machiavelli ( If you've ever read anything about the guy, you know he was a political genius )

Anyway, one of his mechanations was about taking over nations... Those with aims of taking over an established nation would send over as their emmisary someone brutal, obnoxious and hateful... the kind of person who would cause destruction that was totally pointless.... and continue to do so with the full backing of those who sent him indefinately.....

However, he was only the front man.... a way to soften up the people he was brutalizing.

This way, those brutalized would welcome the next, much nicer leader sent... and people usually did.

They found themselves happy.. relieved even, to be governed by this nice new leader who wasn't burning their houses and killing many of them every morning before breakfast.

Idiot George seems to fit the mold of the brutal, hamfisted, madman..

And Obama would be the kinder, nicer leader to follow, who pacifies the angry unwashed with baubles and keeps them quiet while his backers tighten their grip? Got it. Sounds like we must do everything possible to prevent Obama from getting anywhere near the White House unless he's carrying a guest pass.

Interesting concept to hear from the swamp. George Bush and Obama having the same backers? Wow.

Point taken, which explains the Dem. ploy of waiting until he's out of office.

Nothing's going to happen then, either. Or are they saying that in the talking points meetings?

Unlike members of the right, we don't have talking point meetings.

Each citizen is left to come to their own conclusions, as opposed to the right where conclusions are "implanted".

When idiot George leves office, a witches brew of legal troubles await him ( along with some seriously ticked off citizens ( my self included)

I'm betting the moron and chief won't stay on this continennt for long.. and waiting overseas are all sorts of unfriendlies who would like him to be the guest of honor for a rendition party they will happily throw on his behalf.

Too bad WE Americans won't be invited.

Unlike members of the right, we don't have talking point meetings.

Each citizen is left to come to their own conclusions, as opposed to the right where conclusions are "implanted".Hahaha...that's truly hilarious. The Left has more slogans and buzzwords than anyone...and they all use the same terminology...

Abortion is to be referred to as "reproductive rights".

Scuttling the Second Amendment is called "reasonable restrictions".

Those are just two examples. If the Left is made up of free-thinking individuals, why do they all use the same euphemisms?


When idiot George leves office, a witches brew of legal troubles await him ( along with some seriously ticked off citizens ( my self included)I doubt seriously that this will come true. The fact that you think it will probably just indicates how far from reality your thought processes really are.

I'm betting the moron and chief won't stay on this continennt for long.. and waiting overseas are all sorts of unfriendlies who would like him to be the guest of honor for a rendition party they will happily throw on his behalf.

Too bad WE Americans won't be invited.Give me a break...will ya?

Point taken, which explains the Dem. ploy of waiting until he's out of office.Hahaha!!! So, when I say impeachment's a waste of time, you insist it's a necessity. When N'or says so, you believe that it's suddenly a well-calculated plot by the Democrats.

The fact is, the worst thing in the history of the Democrat Party would be to remove GWB from office. They're counting on running against him this year. If he's removed, who they going to run against? McCain?

You're a delusional psycho! The Democratic party is run by centrists and right leaning corporatists, you wouldn't know a leftist if he kissed you on the cheek.Is that right? Then why isn't the centrist candidate (Hillary Clinton) going to get the nomination?

No, that's what you Republicans do, proven year after year by the scum you vote for because they have that "R" by their names...Your first mistake is that I'm not a Republican. Your second mistake is that I actually look at the candidate's positions on the issues and decide which more closely matches my own sentiments. Most reasonable people...Left and Right do it this way. This often leads to the "lesser of two evils" decision making. There's nothing wrong with it. The fact remains that those people who are Left-leaning are going to realize that no matter how mad they are at Pelosi, she still more closely represents their ideals than whomever the Republicans put up against her. Right?

I mean, come on, you really expect me to believe that the majority of Democrats are going to vote Republican this year because they're mad at Pelosi for not being liberal enough? How much sense does that make? You might think they'll vote independent or third-party...which would be the same as a vote for a Republican anyway.


...we only need to look at how people abandoned the loony Joe Lieberman after he made his hard turn to the fascist right.People abandoned Liberman? I thought he got re-elected.

I wouldn't vote for Nancy Pelosi for all the money in the world, she's violated her vow to the Constitution, she will go down in history as an enabler of the BA for not attempting to stop them.Well, at least you got one thing right...she is an enabler. But, you should realize that was all done so that the Democrats could get the presidency in this fall's elections. If Pelosi put the brakes on the war, they'd just be taking away a powerful issue to run against Republicans on. And, since most idiots place the sole blame on the president for the continuation of the war, Democrats have nothing to lose.

Why do you support mass murderers?

You mean like Truman, Kennedy and Johnson? Never voted for any of them either.

He's still in office, they can't just go and grab a president, maybe you can figure out why.I'm guessing no matter what, it's going to be pretty hard to "grab" a guy with Secret Service protection...which all former presidents are entitled to.

I also believe that it is in the interests of a sitting president to offer the full protection of the United States to former presidents...because one day each sitting president will be a former president too. If Reagan let Carter be grabbed somewhere for something he did...then Clinton could have let Reagan be grabbed at some later date. Not gonna happen.

You mean like Truman, Kennedy and Johnson? Never voted for any of them either.Don't forget Clinton.

Don't forget Clinton.

Didn't vote for him either.....:nice:

There u go...

Hahaha!!! So, when I say impeachment's a waste of time, you insist it's a necessity. When N'or says so, you believe that it's suddenly a well-calculated plot by the Democrats.

The fact is, the worst thing in the history of the Democrat Party would be to remove GWB from office. They're counting on running against him this year. If he's removed, who they going to run against? McCain?

Wrong again ( gee, what a surprise)

No one is running against idiot George... he's already yesterday's burnt toast.

We are only talking about which toilet he's to be flushed down and when.

Do try to stay current, won't you?

I'm guessing no matter what, it's going to be pretty hard to "grab" a guy with Secret Service protection...which all former presidents are entitled to.

I also believe that it is in the interests of a sitting president to offer the full protection of the United States to former presidents...because one day each sitting president will be a former president too. If Reagan let Carter be grabbed somewhere for something he did...then Clinton could have let Reagan be grabbed at some later date. Not gonna happen.

I'm guessing that the Secret Service probably wants his butt hog tied more than any bad guys do.

If and when they are called off by the next president, idiot George will have to resort to his accumulated bootlicker security teams which can EASILY be swated aside in order to lay hands on the chicken.

Your dreams of idiot George riding into the sunset are just that... dreams.

Unlike members of the right, we don't have talking point meetings.

Each citizen is left to come to their own conclusions, as opposed to the right where conclusions are "implanted".

When idiot George leves office, a witches brew of legal troubles await him ( along with some seriously ticked off citizens ( my self included)

I'm betting the moron and chief won't stay on this continennt for long.. and waiting overseas are all sorts of unfriendlies who would like him to be the guest of honor for a rendition party they will happily throw on his behalf.

Too bad WE Americans won't be invited.

Don't hold your breath. I don't think he'll be visiting the swamp any time soon.

I'm guessing that the Secret Service probably wants his butt hog tied more than any bad guys do.

If and when they are called off by the next president, idiot George will have to resort to his accumulated bootlicker security teams which can EASILY be swated aside in order to lay hands on the chicken.

Your dreams of idiot George riding into the sunset are just that... dreams.

Holy crap, that post is entertaining. Stupid, but entertaining in a first grade sort of way. Kind of like seeing a really bad car accident being cleaned up. You know it'll haunt you for days, but you just have to look.

Wrong again ( gee, what a surprise)

No one is running against idiot George... he's already yesterday's burnt toast.

We are only talking about which toilet he's to be flushed down and when.

Do try to stay current, won't you?

What was Obama's mantra again? Something about change, if I recall. Change from what, if not Bush, exactly?

What was Obama's mantra again? Something about change, if I recall. Change from what, if not Bush, exactly?

I'm not sure how that relates to the non-impeachment of Bush.

Can you clear that up for me?:confused:

I'm guessing that the Secret Service probably wants his butt hog tied more than any bad guys do.

If and when they are called off by the next president, idiot George will have to resort to his accumulated bootlicker security teams which can EASILY be swated aside in order to lay hands on the chicken.

Your dreams of idiot George riding into the sunset are just that... dreams.

Nothing will happen to Bush after he leaves office and he'll never lose his secret service protection.

In fact, not even Nixon didn't even get into any trouble. The only President who ever did get into any real trouble after leaving office was Clinton, who was cited for contempt after his felony perjury charges were dropped, but he still got a slap on the wrist. He was fined 90 grand and was disbarred for five years.

Nothing will happen to Bush after he leaves office and he'll never lose his secret service protection.

Can you support that statement with any real world, authoritative links?

Do you have an honest basis for coming for arriving at that somewhat grandiose conclusion, or is that just wishful thinking on your part?

Since you haven't supplied anything to support it and just put it out there, I'm going to have to go with the "wishful thinking on your part" conclusion.

In fact, not even Nixon didn't even get into any trouble. The only President who ever did get into any real trouble after leaving office was Clinton, who was cited for contempt after his felony perjury charges were dropped, but he still got a slap on the wrist. He was fined 90 grand and was disbarred for five years.

Why yes, Nixon left office early because he was tired of being president.<snicker>

The fact of the matter is that his crime didn't rise to the level of being worth prosecution.

No reasonable person, being briefed on Bush's transgressions could come to the conclusion that the offenses are not worth hauling has stinking carcass off to "the joint". ( And a former president cannot pardon himself.. he's WIDE open for it)

There will be howls of outrage from the right's "dead enders" when they read him his rights ( even though it will be done in private), and take his mug shot.

My only questions are: will his orange jumpsuit have the presidential seal em-blazed on his back.....and will be get a scenic view, or a small square cell with no sunlight.. ( I'm hoping he gets no sunlight or contact with the outside world... after all, isn't that what is suppose to happen in "Super Max" prison?)

Nothing will happen to Bush after he leaves office and he'll never lose his secret service protection.

Can you support that statement with any real world, authoritative links?

Do you have and honest basis for coming for arriving and that somewhat grandiose conclusion, or is that just wishful thinking on your part?

Since you haven't supplied anything to support it and just put it out there, I'm going to have to go with the "wishful thinking on your part" conclusion.

In fact, not even Nixon didn't even get into any trouble. The only President who ever did get into any real trouble after leaving office was Clinton, who was cited for contempt after his felony perjury charges were dropped, but he still got a slap on the wrist. He was fined 90 grand and was disbarred for five years.

Why yes, Nixon left office early because he was tired of being president.<snicker>

The fact of the matter is that his crime didn't rise to the level of being worth prosecution.

I can't think of any responsible person seeing any of Bush's transgressions as not being worth hauling has carcass off to "the joint".

There will be howls of outrage from the right's "dead enders" when they read him his rights ( even though it will be done in private), and take his mug shot.

My only questions are: will his orange jumpsuit have the presidential seal em-blazed on his back.....and will he get a scenic view, or a small square cell with no sunlight.. ( I'm hoping he gets no sunlight or contact with the outside world... after all, isn't that what is suppose to happen in "Super Max" prison?)

Can you support that statement with any real world, authoritative links?

Do you have and honest basis for coming for arriving and that somewhat grandiose conclusion, or is that just wishful thinking on your part?

Since you haven't supplied anything to support it and just put it out there, I'm going to have to go with the "wishful thinking on your part" conclusion.



Why yes, Nixon left office early because he was tired of being president.<snicker>

The fact of the matter is that his crime didn't rise to the level of being worth prosecution.

I can't think of any responsible person seeing any of Bush's transgressions as not being worth hauling has carcass off to "the joint".

There will be howls of outrage from the right's "dead enders" when they read him his rights ( even though it will be done in private), and take his mug shot.

My only questions are: will his orange jumpsuit have the presidential seal em-blazed on his back.....and will he get a scenic view, or a small square cell with no sunlight.. ( I'm hoping he gets no sunlight or contact with the outside world... after all, isn't that what is suppose to happen in "Super Max" prison?)



I'm not wishing anything. What happens to him won't affect me at all, but Americans don't prosecute their ex Presidents. I sounds like the wishful thinking is on your part.

He would be pardoned anyway, just as Nixon was. He didn't walk because his crimes didn't warrant prosecution. That pardon cost Gerald Ford the election and gave us Jimmy Carter. Scooter Libby has already been given a pass, and should anything happen to put Bush in any kind of real legal jeopardy (which I highly doubt), he'll get one too.You can bet on it. How do I know this?? because it's the nature of the business that he's in and the position that he's reached. Even Clinton's perjury charges were dropped, which would have been a felony had they stuck, but the State of Arkansas didn't want their boy prosecuted, so the gave him something he could handle; a small fine and disbarment. It had to be humiliating, but it was far better than standing trial.

How do I support my assertions"?? It's called US history, along with years of watching politicians get away with anything they choose for the most part. Politics is a business, and those who are well connected and rise to the top can do whatever they want with no accountability.

Congress is just as guilty (and that's a huge understatement) as any President when it comes to any wrongdoing, because whatever is done cannot be done without being funded, and only Congress can fund anything. Bush didn't pay for the wars, nor has he spent one penny on anything. He can't. So, if the President is guilty, then so is every member of Congress who went along with him and funded his agenda, which includes Obama BTW. He's voted to fund the wars every time it's come to a vote.

Bush hasn't done anything outside of the realm of his authority, and as I've stated before, Abe Lincoln committed far more crime against the United States than Bush could ever dream of, and he's revered. He's in the big leagues, and he'll retire and earn big money making speeches and appearances, may even be called in as a consultant from time to time, just as Nixon was.

I think you lead a rich fantasy political life and that it ( for whatever reason) includes waving away pointless American deaths, waving away military misadventures, waving away fiscal malfesence, waving away massive dereliction of duty ( committed on the morning of 9/11/01)... and the list marches (like democracy) over the horizon.

Pardoned?

By WHO?

Obama?

Not a chance in the world, as a matter of fact, I would expect Obama to personally help in building the gallows if he means ANY of what he says.

Anyone in office who pardoned him would be comitting career suicide.

Nancy Pelosi is just now finding out how much of her career has already washed away by her not pursuing impeachment.. and the full impact of that inaction has yet to be driven home.

Nobody cares what Lincoln did, nobody cares what Nixon did, and nobody cares about any historical figure's past deeds with regards to the current administration.

The only thing that matters is making the current administration PAY.... and the whipping boy of choice is George W. bush... followed closely by Rove and Cheney... with "Kinda Sleezy Lice" thrown in for good measure.

The rule of law is suppose to apply to everyone with no exceptions or it is meaningless.

While you may not find any illegality in the activities of this admin, there is plenty to prosecute.

I will lend my voice to the 80% of the nation that demands change and accountability.

I think you lead a rich fantasy political life and that it ( for whatever reason) includes waving away pointless American deaths, waving away military misadventures, waving away fiscal malfesence, waving away massive dereliction of duty ( committed on the morning of 9/11/01)... and the list marches (like democracy) over the horizon.

Pardoned?

By WHO?

Obama?

Not a chance in the world, as a matter of fact, I would expect Obama to personally help in building the gallows if he means ANY of what he says.

Anyone in office who pardoned him would be comitting career suicide.

Nancy Pelosi is just now finding out how much of her career has already washed away by her not pursuing impeachment.. and the full impact of that inaction has yet to be driven home.

Nobody cares what Lincoln did, nobody cares what Nixon did, and nobody cares about any historical figure's past deeds with regards to the current administration.

The only thing that matters is making the current administration PAY.... and the whipping boy of choice is George W. bush... followed closely by Rove and Cheney... with "Kinda Sleezy Lice" thrown in for good measure.

The rule of law is suppose to apply to everyone with no exceptions or it is meaningless.

While you may not find any illegality in the activities of this admin, there is plenty to prosecute.

I will lend my voice to the 80% of the nation that demands change and accountability.

I'm not waving away anything. I'm just calling it like I see it, and have seen it before.

And Obama isn't what he claims to be, very few politicians are. He's another slick talking politician,and if enough pressure is brought to bear, he'll pardon if necessary (which won't be necessary). he would pull a Gerry Ford and say it's time for healing, blah, blah, blah. In fact, no one would even find out until after the fact. That's how they do it.

Do you know how many pardons and commutations Bush has given so far?? The answer is 157 with over 3000 pending. Does our press report this?? No.

Clinton pardoned 141 on his way out, including an international criminal; Marc Rich.

This is par for the course in US politics.

Who do suppose would actually prosecute an ex President to begin with??

I'm not waving away anything. I'm just calling it like I see it, and have seen it before.

And Obama isn't what he claims to be, very few politicians are. He's another slick talking politician,and if enough pressure is brought to bear, he'll pardon if necessary (which won't be necessary). he would pull a Gerry Ford and say it's time for healing, blah, blah, blah. In fact, no one would even find out until after the fact. That's how they do it.

Do you know how many pardons and commutations Bush has given so far?? The answer is 157 with over 3000 pending. hell, Clinton pardoned 141 on his way out, including an international criminal; Marc Rich.

This is par for the course in US politics.

Who do suppose would actually prosecute an ex President to begin with??

It's called the International Criminal Court, which exists because un-civilized nations like the USA won't prosecute their own war criminals.

You seem to believe that because certain people did wrong in the past, that it's ok to keep doing those things, maybe we can start burning witches again for old times sake. They did it in the past! So it's ok to do it now!

It's called the International Criminal Court, which exists because un-civilized nations like the USA won't prosecute their own war criminals.

You seem to believe that because certain people did wrong in the past, that it's ok to keep doing those things, maybe we can start burning witches again for old times sake. They did it in the past! So it's ok to do it now!

When did I say anything was okay?? Never. So what I "seem" to be saying in your mind is in fact, something that never happened.

No international court is going to prosecute an ex US president. First off, our government would never allow it, neither would any President of any party, because if were to they allow it, then they could be next. Ain't gonna' happen.

And besides, if you want to start labeling every US military operation as a war crime, then we would have to prosecute Clinton (how many innocents died under his command and incursions in Europe, Iraq and Afghanistan??) and Bush 41 as we (Iraq, the "highway of death" Panama, etc.). The American people would fight before they allowed that to happen. You can't apply the rules to one and ignore the others.

Then we would have to drag in the military personnel who actually carried out the orders, which would number in the tens of thousands. We established at Nuremberg that " only following orders" is no excuse. Again, ain't gonna' happen. keep dreaming, but be prepared for a big disappointment.

You have to look at things realistically and as they are; not they way you think or hope things should be.

When did I say anything was okay?? Never. So what I "seem" to be saying in your mind is in fact, something that never happened.

Everytime it's brought up you try to rationalize it by saying other presidents did bad things in the past, sure sounds like you are making excuses for Bush to me.

No international court is going to prosecute an ex US president. First off, our government would never allow it, neither would any President of any party, because if were to they allow it, then they could be next. Ain't gonna' happen.


It doesn't matter what our government of criminals thinks or wants, the world doesn't revolve around us.

And how would a new president be able to be "next" unless they committed war crimes too? If they do, send them away too! Do you think being president makes you some sort of God who can just decide to kill whomever they please and not have to face the consequences? And don't bother trying to defend Bush on Iraq, what he and his crew did was an illegal pre-emptive war, every person killed, tortured, maimed, and displaced is their doing. We simply cannot allow these mass murderers to go free.


And besides, if you want to start labeling every US military operation as a war crime, then we would have to prosecute Clinton (how many innocents died under his command and incursions in Europe, Iraq and Afghanistan??) and Bush 41 as we (Iraq, the "highway of death" Panama, etc.).

I didn't label every US military operation a war crime, you are imagining things.

However there are other crimes that were committed by past presidents, a shame people worship them.

I guess you don't see how you come across when you defend these people, maybe if Iraq had invaded us instead and the Iraqi air force bombed your city and killed your whole family you'd feel different. Try to put yourself in their shoes, you can't bring back the dead, you can't just brush these things off, to this day people are still searching for old Nazi war criminals to be brought to justice. But maybe they should be let off the hook too, because other people killed innocents in wars before they did it, so who cares..


The American people would fight before they allowed that to happen. You can't apply the rules to one and ignore the others.


ROFL!!! The ignorant lazy Americans probably wouldn't even remember who a past president was after a few years, much less put down their diet cokes and go out and fight for them! They don't even give a **** about their Constitution being shredded and everything about this nation that was good being turned around so we're no better than some third world shithole. You gotta be kiddin me!


Then we would have to drag in the military personnel who actually carried out the orders, which would number in the tens of thousands.

We wouldn't have to do anything of the sort, maybe a few higher ups who did some of the nasty stuff.


We established at Nuremberg that " only following orders" is no excuse. Again, ain't gonna' happen. keep dreaming, but be prepared for a big disappointment.

We aren't running concentration camps in Iraq, and those of us who aren't blinded by whatever Fox news says warned everybody that this kind of shit would happen. It's like the cops like to say, "don't do the crime if you can't do the time", we warned you it was illegal and that people would be committing war crimes, but you guys thought Saddam was about to unleash his WMD's on Wichita, and you cheered on this war.:nonono:


You have to look at things realistically and as they are; not they way you think or hope things should be.

I don't hope or "think" things should be anyway when it comes to this stuff, there's the facts, and there's the way things have to be, if you throw out the rule of law for the government only, you have tyranny.

Why don't you just become an anarchist?

Everytime it's brought up you try to rationalize it by saying other presidents did bad things in the past, sure sounds like you are making excuses for Bush to me.




It doesn't matter what our government of criminals thinks or wants, the world doesn't revolve around us.

And how would a new president be able to be "next" unless they committed war crimes too? If they do, send them away too! Do you think being president makes you some sort of God who can just decide to kill whomever they please and not have to face the consequences? And don't bother trying to defend Bush on Iraq, what he and his crew did was an illegal pre-emptive war, every person killed, tortured, maimed, and displaced is their doing. We simply cannot allow these mass murderers to go free.



I didn't label every US military operation a war crime, you are imagining things.

However there are other crimes that were committed by past presidents, a shame people worship them.

I guess you don't see how you come across when you defend these people, maybe if Iraq had invaded us instead and the Iraqi air force bombed your city and killed your whole family you'd feel different. Try to put yourself in their shoes, you can't bring back the dead, you can't just brush these things off, to this day people are still searching for old Nazi war criminals to be brought to justice. But maybe they should be let off the hook too, because other people killed innocents in wars before they did it, so who cares..




ROFL!!! The ignorant lazy Americans probably wouldn't even remember who a past president was after a few years, much less put down their diet cokes and go out and fight for them! They don't even give a **** about their Constitution being shredded and everything about this nation that was good being turned around so we're no better than some third world shithole. You gotta be kiddin me!



We wouldn't have to do anything of the sort, maybe a few higher ups who did some of the nasty stuff.



We aren't running concentration camps in Iraq, and those of us who aren't blinded by whatever Fox news says warned everybody that this kind of shit would happen. It's like the cops like to say, "don't do the crime if you can't do the time", we warned you it was illegal and that people would be committing war crimes, but you guys thought Saddam was about to unleash his WMD's on Wichita, and you cheered on this war.:nonono:



I don't hope or "think" things should be anyway when it comes to this stuff, there's the facts, and there's the way things have to be, if you throw out the rule of law for the government only, you have tyranny.

Why don't you just become an anarchist?

Stop assuming I condone every bad thing our government does. I'm extremely anti government, anti IRs, anti Social security, anti welfare, national health, anti death penalty and anti lots of other things.

What you say things HAVE to be is your opinion of how you want them to be, but not how they will be. People like you and I have no power to change these things. We have one stinkin' vote. That's the extent of your power and mine. I'm just being honest and many people don't want to hear the truth. What we have now is the result of us giving our power away (for a very long time) to people who promise the moon and letting government make our decisions, because we don't really want all of that responsibility; not deep down. This is exactly why I refuse to vote for liberals. They're the biggest users of bait and switch in history. They promise to give and they take instead. Waht government gives it can also take away, so I want nothing they're selling.

They're the worst culprits of all when it comes to taking away power and creating dependency. History proves this to be true without question, especially since the early to mid 70's when the far left liberals sealed the deal on taking over the Democratic party. Socialism is their goal, and I'll never support that.

Oh yeah, you can lobby your representatives and get a form letter that takes both sides of every issue, but it changes nothing. That's why I gave up activism long ago. It's basically a pointless waste of time unless you have millions of dollars to pamper (or buy) politicians with. That's what makes politicians stand up and take notice; not emails and phone calls that are handled by their subordinates and that they never even see.

You can try all you want to get "war criminals" on trial, but I guarantee you'll fail. You'll hit more brick walls then you ever even dreamed existed. They're protected at every level, and little guys don't get their foot in any door unless they have either extremely serious dirt on someone (and live to go public with it), or extremely deep pockets.

I'm not waving away anything. I'm just calling it like I see it, and have seen it before........
Who do suppose would actually prosecute an ex President to begin with??

I don't know... It sure looks like you are waving it all away to me...

Of course, in subjective terms, you can wave away anything you like ( or not wave it away for that matter) and it will not effect the outcome at all.

Bush pardoned his cronies, and as the coocoo birds on the right are fond of saying: Clintondidittoo.

No matter.

This is about the last (soon to be)8 years of the Bush admin and their anti-AMerican activities.

Obama isn't going to pardon him, he can't pardon himself, and the world court is just itching to get their hands on Neo-Cons who ordered an illegal war and prosecuted it in a haphazzard manner causing deaths that were'nt needed.

Then there's that whole TORTURE thing.....

It's time to pay the piper.

You HAD to know this would happen...

So did he... and if he didn't, we'll just consider it a wake-up call.

No pardons, no get out of jail free cards, no detention, no country club prisons, and no kidding.

Super Max... where the worst of the worst go... and where sunlight is a thing of the past.

Future home of the Bush family's lawn jocky....the un-aborted, George W. Bush.

I think you lead a rich fantasy political life and that it ( for whatever reason) includes waving away pointless American deaths, waving away military misadventures, waving away fiscal malfesence, waving away massive dereliction of duty ( committed on the morning of 9/11/01)... and the list marches (like democracy) over the horizon.

Pardoned?

By WHO?

Obama?

Not a chance in the world, as a matter of fact, I would expect Obama to personally help in building the gallows if he means ANY of what he says.

He doesn't. He will want the next president to pardon him, so he would pardon Bush. He won't have to.

Anyone in office who pardoned him would be comitting career suicide.

They'd do it anyway, wanting their own butt to be covered.

Nancy Pelosi is just now finding out how much of her career has already washed away by her not pursuing impeachment.. and the full impact of that inaction has yet to be driven home.

Pelosi's problem is arrogance and abuse of power, not inaction on impeachment. We knew 2 years ago nothing was going to happen, and it didn't.

Nobody cares what Lincoln did, nobody cares what Nixon did, and nobody cares about any historical figure's past deeds with regards to the current administration.

And that is the saddest thing of all, not learning a thing from history.

The only thing that matters is making the current administration PAY.... and the whipping boy of choice is George W. bush... followed closely by Rove and Cheney... with "Kinda Sleezy Lice" thrown in for good measure.

Stop making fun of Chinese accents!

The rule of law is suppose to apply to everyone with no exceptions or it is meaningless.

While you may not find any illegality in the activities of this admin, there is plenty to prosecute.

I will lend my voice to the 80% of the nation that demands change and accountability.

And you will all be silenced by the tidal wave of sleaze unleashed by an unchecked democrat party. I predict a wipeout of '94 proportions in 2010 should they all behave as predicted.

the world court is just itching to get their hands on Neo-Cons who ordered an illegal war and prosecuted it in a haphazzard manner causing deaths that were'nt needed.

Got any real-world, authoritative links on that?

I can't believe this idotic thread is still alive.

LTB, just give it up, will ya? GWB will not be impeached because everyone knows it is a waste of time. The chances that he'll be tried in a criminal court are slim. However, if he has done something illegal, that's the proper place for it.

Not only has Pelosi torpedoed any chance at impeachment, she's also now in favor of off-shore drilling. I predice Obama will come out in support of it as well before the election is over.

He doesn't. He will want the next president to pardon him, so he would pardon Bush. He won't have to.



They'd do it anyway, wanting their own butt to be covered.



Pelosi's problem is arrogance and abuse of power, not inaction on impeachment. We knew 2 years ago nothing was going to happen, and it didn't.



And that is the saddest thing of all, not learning a thing from history.



Stop making fun of Chinese accents!



And you will all be silenced by the tidal wave of sleaze unleashed by an unchecked democrat party. I predict a wipeout of '94 proportions in 2010 should they all behave as predicted.

Lot's of wishful thinking there. LOL

Could it be that some on the right are dreading the results of the seeds they themselves have planted, and are now looking to disown the crops?

Sure looks like it.

I wish it were possible to flash forward to Bush climbing up thirteen steps for the express trip down.

That would be VERY satisfying.

I can't believe this idotic thread is still alive.

LTB, just give it up, will ya? GWB will not be impeached because everyone knows it is a waste of time. The chances that he'll be tried in a criminal court are slim. However, if he has done something illegal, that's the proper place for it.

Not only has Pelosi torpedoed any chance at impeachment, she's also now in favor of off-shore drilling. I predice Obama will come out in support of it as well before the election is over.

Reality bites, doesn't it?

You should probaly get use to a tidal wave of unpleasant truths washing over you in the coming years.

It works for me. LOL

Reality bites, doesn't it?

You should probaly get use to a tidal wave of unpleasant truths washing over you in the coming years.

It works for me. LOL

You should be very used to it by now.

Lot's of wishful thinking there. LOL

Could it be that some on the right are dreading the results of the seeds they themselves have planted, and are now looking to disown the crops?

Sure looks like it.

I wish it were possible to flash forward to Bush climbing up thirteen steps for the express trip down.

That would be VERY satisfying.

Don't hold your breath. I don't think he'll be visiting the swamp any time soon.

I don't know... It sure looks like you are waving it all away to me...

Of course, in subjective terms, you can wave away anything you like ( or not wave it away for that matter) and it will not effect the outcome at all.

Bush pardoned his cronies, and as the coocoo birds on the right are fond of saying: Clintondidittoo.

No matter.

This is about the last (soon to be)8 years of the Bush admin and their anti-AMerican activities.

Obama isn't going to pardon him, he can't pardon himself, and the world court is just itching to get their hands on Neo-Cons who ordered an illegal war and prosecuted it in a haphazzard manner causing deaths that were'nt needed.

Then there's that whole TORTURE thing.....

It's time to pay the piper.

You HAD to know this would happen...

So did he... and if he didn't, we'll just consider it a wake-up call.

No pardons, no get out of jail free cards, no detention, no country club prisons, and no kidding.

Super Max... where the worst of the worst go... and where sunlight is a thing of the past.

Future home of the Bush family's lawn jocky....the un-aborted, George W. Bush.

A US President can pardon himself if he so chooses. It's never been done but it's legal.

Now you tell me I "had to know this was happening" as if it is happening. We'll see, but my money is on retirement.

A US President can pardon himself if he so chooses. It's never been done but it's legal. Now you tell me I "had to know this was happening" as if it is happening. We'll see, but my money is on retirement.

Not that I don't take your word for it or anything <wicked grin>, but could you please supply me with something other than your word for it... you know... a source document from the U.S. government, detailing exactly how it is that an EX-president can issue a pardon for himself?

Somebody should have told Nixon. LOL

You should be very used to it by now.

Way to contribute to the discussion, dude.

Way to contribute to the discussion, dude.

Just fitting in with your post.

Just fitting in with your post.

By doing an off topic drive by?

By doing an off topic drive by?

You should probaly get use to a tidal wave of unpleasant truths washing over you in the coming years.

It works for me. LOL

You don't like me responding to your posts?

Either way you look at it, Bush, Cheney, and Rove aren't going to face any international court. It's only going to happen in the fevered imaginations of fewer and fewer demagogues as time marches on and as Obama brings a fresh set of even more outrageous scandals for America to deal with.

get over it. we know you hate bush but please get the **** over it. the process to impeach him would take longer than the time he has left so logically pursuing it now is pointless. second there are better things for them to do besides have impeachment hearings and the like. yes we know you ****ing hate bush that you'd rather they do nothing than find a way to get rid of him, even though with the limited time he has left there isnt much he can do now, all that matters is that your thirst for his blood be slaked and damn the logic full speed ahead man, you need revenge and must have it.

please, shut the **** up and get the **** over it. this amount of hate for any person is simply unhealthy for you. let it go. but hey you're only raising your risk for any number of cardio vascular problems let alone higher blood pressure and other medical problems and yes these things are very real consequences hence why it is unhealthy for you to be this damn mad angry and have this much hate for someone. maybe driving yourself to an early grave will give some of us some relief from the constant junkyard dog attacks from people who are more interested in vengeance than trying to solve the problems we're going to have after this man leaves office whether or not he's impeached or tried for war crimes or any of the other bullshit some of you all want to hang him for.

so you'd rather they impeach him then trying to get on with the business of trying to fix the myriad of problems we have, good for you. some of us can see beyond a kneejerk response to a smaller problem and look at the bigger problems and deal with those instead. i know you dont care but trust me, there are going to be tons of problems after he leaves office, some he created some he didnt but you just keep thumping your chest demanding your pound of flesh, the rest of us would rather move on and deal with something bigger.

AMEN!!

get over it. .......but you just keep thumping your chest demanding your pound of flesh, the rest of us would rather move on and deal with something bigger.

IF you think I'm the only person who doesn't want to see Bush walk away from the mess he's made and sleep well at night, you are mistaken.

"Impeach Bush crowd dogs Pelosi's book tour "
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/presidentbush/2008/07/impeach-bush-cr.html

"March from Boston to Washington to Impeach Bush/Cheney Begins! "
http://impeachbush.meetup.com/335/calendar/6801965/

"Is impeachment still off the table, Pelosi? "
http://www.mockpaperscissors.com/?p=8448.

"Pelosi Slams Bush: is She Gearing up to Support Impeachment? "
"Some people to wonder why Congress should even bother impeaching the president -- if conviction is unlikely and the man will be leaving the White House in six months. I'll tell you why impeachment would be worthwhile:

1) Impeachment would serve as a strong repudiation of the bad (likely illegal) acts of the Bush Administrat