Hillary Clinton voted on the war for political reasons, she denounced the war for political reasons, and she won't take responsibility for her vote for political reasons. She has no moral compass, only a political one.

Look, I answered my own question.

Yeah, I think you did.

Great job, man!

Hillary also voted to declare the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist group for political reasons, knowing full well that it was a blatant attempt to move towards a war with Iran. She wouldn't have done so if the Iran-hate wasn't so strong at the time.

Or maybe she would. Which is an even scarier thought.

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Hillary also voted to declare the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist group for political reasons, knowing full well that it was a blatant attempt to move towards a war with Iran. She wouldn't have done so if the Iran-hate wasn't so strong at the time.

Or maybe she would. Which is an even scarier thought.

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Exactly. We're left with two possible conclusions: either she is spineless and bends which ever way the wind blows. Or she's a war monger in her own right. We want to be particularly wary of the gender politics which will put pressure on her to want to prove she can be a tough leader, and which could make her prone to aggressive posturing that could lead to conflict.

M.

We want to be particularly wary of the gender politics which will put pressure on her to want to prove she can be a tough leader, and which could make her prone to aggressive posturing that could lead to conflict.
I can't say I considered how the gender politics would play out in the white house itself. I just considered her posturing as a way to convince some Americans that she's as good or better than any man - I didn't consider that such posturing could continue into an overly machismo presidency.

I can't say I considered how the gender politics would play out in the white house itself. I just considered her posturing as a way to convince some Americans that she's as good or better than any man - I didn't consider that such posturing could continue into an overly machismo presidency.

It is something to keep in mind. If Thatcher was any indication of the dynamic, we'll be in for it.

M.

To be fair, she did essentially say the vote was a mistake at one of the last debates--after several months and months of prodding, at the end of which I guess her political compass pointed out that there was no other option.

To be fair, she did essentially say the vote was a mistake at one of the last debates--after several months and months of prodding, at the end of which I guess her political compass pointed out that there was no other option.

Yes.
And to be fair, the pressure for war was enormous. Her approval of the call for war is not something we should forget, but it is less of a minus for her, than Obama's strong stance against the war was and is a PLUS for him.

M.

I'll never forget how dumb the world felt in February 2003. The idiocy was deafening.

Anyway...

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Hillary Clinton voted on the war for political reasons, she denounced the war for political reasons, and she won't take responsibility for her vote for political reasons. She has no moral compass, only a political one.

Look, I answered my own question.

Because "apologizing" seems to her like a feminine trait, showing "weakness," and that is, she believes, not politically wise, especially for a "woman." If she apologizes, she might be "weak on defense," reluctant to use violence against brown people, an "appeaser" etc.

Apologizing is for queers like John Edwards.

Moreover, it would imply that she was actually wrong, and being wrong about something is inconsistent with her concept of "leadership," which she shares with GW Bush -- leaders aren't "wrong."

Anyone who'd bust Obama's balls over the 'bitter' comment while giving Hillary a free pass on a critical issue like this has the morality and intellectual honesty of a sack of shit. That's the Truth, I Tell ya.

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Anyone who'd bust Obama's balls over the 'bitter' comment while giving Hillary a free pass on a critical issue like this has the morality and intellectual honesty of a sack of shit. That's the Truth, I Tell ya.

... er.

Hello Mr E. I don't believe TT when he says he would give up support for Hillary if she were to make the same points Obama made abour rural Pennsylvania. There is a poll to find out how credible the board finds such a claim - feel free to vote.

http://www.discussanything.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111839

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