... the subject of a new movie coming out, according to NPR yesterday. The trial is in animation, interspersed with documentary film footage. Sounds interesting, for those who remember all that at the Democratic Convention. According to the film maker being interviewed, the Chicago Eight were the first to be tried under the new Civil Rights Act, which contained a clause making it a federal crime to cross state lines with intent to riot. They were also the last to be tried under that legislation, making them the only people ever tried under it. A lot of them are dead now, of course, but if you can find a copy of a book with the trial transcripts in it, it was a truly bizarre episode of judicial insanity. I hadn't thought about David Dellinger in decades, much less Bobby Seale, so I really enjoyed listening to the interview and recaps of those days.

I remember watching the riots on the nightly news with Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather. Daly's thugs were completely out of control; even my Dad was staring open mouthed, and he hated hippie 'draft dodgers' and even referred to the Beatles as 'Communists', kept asking 'who the hell is in charge there???? This is bad. Very bad ...'

Anyway, those that are interested in that sort of history can keep an eye out for it. Sorry, I didn't catch the name of it or if it was a made for TV deal or will play in theaters.

That does sound really interesting.

i read " we are everywhere" and some more Rubin and some of Abby Hoffman's stuff plus some mainstream stuff etc-it was a strange trial

http://www.bostonherald.com/entertainment/movies/reviews/view.bg?articleid=1076614

It looks pretty intruiguing.


"Written by director Brett Morgen and based solely on actual court transcripts, “Chicago 10” can’t help but illuminate the differences between 1969 and today. Morgen ingeniously mixes black-and-white and color documentary footage with animated trial sequences voiced by actors such as Roy Scheider (one of his final roles and a fitting coda to an impressive career) as the cantankerous, inept Judge Julius Hoffman, Hank Azaria (Abbie Hoffman and also the East Village poet Allen Ginsberg who testified at the trial) and Mark Ruffalo (Jerry Rubin)".

... the subject of a new movie coming out, according to NPR yesterday. The trial is in animation, interspersed with documentary film footage. Sounds interesting, for those who remember all that at the Democratic Convention. According to the film maker being interviewed, the Chicago Eight were the first to be tried under the new Civil Rights Act, which contained a clause making it a federal crime to cross state lines with intent to riot. They were also the last to be tried under that legislation, making them the only people ever tried under it. A lot of them are dead now, of course, but if you can find a copy of a book with the trial transcripts in it, it was a truly bizarre episode of judicial insanity. I hadn't thought about David Dellinger in decades, much less Bobby Seale, so I really enjoyed listening to the interview and recaps of those days.

I remember watching the riots on the nightly news with Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather. Daly's thugs were completely out of control; even my Dad was staring open mouthed, and he hated hippie 'draft dodgers' and even referred to the Beatles as 'Communists', kept asking 'who the hell is in charge there???? This is bad. Very bad ...'

Anyway, those that are interested in that sort of history can keep an eye out for it. Sorry, I didn't catch the name of it or if it was a made for TV deal or will play in theaters.


I was 12 years old then.

My parents were conservative blue-collar Democrats and they supported what Daly and his goons did,not 12 year old me though.

That was probably the gradual start of my radicalization.

I was 12 years old then.

My parents were conservative blue-collar Democrats and they supported what Daly and his goons did,not 12 year old me though.

That was probably the gradual start of my radicalization.
Our lives are so similar that I think we can be brothers.

I do remember watching the Democratic National Convention on TV.

It seemed like a lot of fun, being thorugh the eyes of a kid.

The 60s was an exciting era I suppose. But for me it was more about the Flinstones, Rocky and Bullwinkle than anything else.

Oddly enough, my parents were Catholic Conservatives. My mother did like Kennedy because he was Catholic but she and my dad voted for Nixon because they did not want to pull America out of the Vietnam war and they believed that the Democrats would sell out america to the communists.

My dad was convinced that marijuana and other drugs were destroying the youths of the country.

He once told me that Dwight D Eisenhower was the best President that the US ever had since all he did was play golf.

He had a similar belief in Barry Goldwater.

Personally, I think that Goldwater was a decent guy even now. He was sort of the Ron Paul of his day. I only wish the Republicans could go back to that sort of Populist-style conservativism.

LOL at everyone with the hippy-hating , Law-n-Order loving dads .. mine was the same way .. but after witnessing that spectacle on TV his attitude shifted a bit.

I heard the interview also and was pretty amazed at the fact he had a recorded sound track from the trial .. I had never heard anyone in my life talk like the judge did .. that was quite a stretch for the late Roy Scheider to pull off

I was also curious how he was going to pull-off the animation, that sounded a bit out in left field at first, but it seems to work

http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/chicago10/trailer/

Our lives are so similar that I think we can be brothers.

I do remember watching the Democratic National Convention on TV.

It seemed like a lot of fun, being thorugh the eyes of a kid.

:cool:

The 60s was an exciting era I suppose. But for me it was more about the Flinstones, Rocky and Bullwinkle than anything else.


Me too,but I also was aware of everything else back then.

First place,I came from a political family.

Second,you couldn't avoid it in those days,no matter what age you were.


Oddly enough, my parents were Catholic Conservatives. My mother did like Kennedy because he was Catholic but she and my dad voted for Nixon because they did not want to pull America out of the Vietnam war and they believed that the Democrats would sell out america to the communists.

The trajectory in my family in regards to everything [but especially religion ] is complicated,I'll just say that I grew up in the Lutheran Church [I left when I was ten]and leave it at that.

My dad thought Hubert Humphrey was the greatest man who ever lived period,then again,Humphrey was pretty hawkish.

My mom didn't like Nixon or Humphrey/Johnson,so [even though she admired Martin Luther King]she cast her protest vote for George Wallace.


My dad was convinced that marijuana and other drugs were destroying the youths of the country.


Well,my mom wokred in a halfway house when she was young and my family had a long history of alcoholism[in fact my dad was an alkie] ,so while my parents felt that way emotionally they didn't lecture about it.


He once told me that Dwight D Eisenhower was the best President that the US ever had since all he did was play golf.

He had a similar belief in Barry Goldwater.


My dad was pro-LBJ and hated Goldwater with a passion.

My Dad was career military, and pro-Humphery. He was appalled at the lack of discipline on the part of the police in Chicago. He couldn't see why all that was necessary just to control a bunch of kids and bystanders; he thought it was a major over-reaction. He thought the same about Kent State and Jackson State.

He hated Goldwater's campaign nuke commercial, too. He wasn't a big fan of provoking unnecessary reactions from other countries' militaries, being a war veteran and knowing first hand how large battles are mostly complete chaos and can easily go either way, and military responses should be a last resort, not a first response. I learned a lot from him, and when he had time we would war game a lot of different battles and how they developed and how they were lost. It was a great education, and I found most professional military officers at the time to be very rational people with balanced political views, not war-mongering oafs like Patton at all.

My Dad was career military,


My dad was a draftee during he second part of WWII and that made him very hawkish.



and pro-Humphery.


My dad thought Humphery was the greatest man in US history [he was also fond of Henry 'Scoop" Jackson].

My upbringing was more liberal than say Rush Limbuagh's was[we were pro-union and FDR was the man who saved America in the house I grew up in],but my upbringing was conservative in terms of my parents being hawkish about the millitary and in regards to them having less than enlightended attitudes about black people,because that was how they were raised during the no-so Great Depression.



He was appalled at the lack of discipline on the part of the police in Chicago. He couldn't see why all that was necessary just to control a bunch of kids and bystanders; he thought it was a major over-reaction. He thought the same about Kent State and Jackson State.


I had some uncles and aunts living near Kent State and they [and my parents] felt [like Chicago] that those crazy goddamn kids asked for it,their attitude was you submit to authority and if you don't then what happens as a result is your fault.

Now my family was not educated,but they were very intellegent and well-read and they raised their kids to think for themselves,I think they became very sorry that they rasied me that way because I did think for myself and I just couldn't agree with them about Chicago,Kent State,Veitnam, etc.

In turn ,I rebelled against just about everything they said,in that regard I was wrong,there were somethings they were correct about [like WWII and the Depression,but I didn't see that untill well into adulthood],but I was right in seeing they were wrong about things like race,social/sexual freedom ,Veitnam,Kent State etc.,etc.

And in time I think they saw they were wrong about most of those things too.

My dad hated Goldwater and Nixon because they were anti-union and he was pro-union.

Humphrey and LBJ fit his brand of conservatism.


My dad also served under Mac Arthur's command in WWII my dad and didn't like him [and in fact most of Mac Arthur's men didn't]

Patton and Eisenhower had the respect of most of their men,Mac Arthur didn't [in fact most of his men called him "Dougout Doug"].

My dad also served under Mac Arthur's command in WWII my dad and didn't like him [and in fact most of Mac Arthur's men didn't]

Patton and Eisenhower had the respect of most of their men,Mac Arthur didn't [in fact most of his men called him "Dougout Doug"].

My dad was a paratrooper under MacAurthur, served in the Phillipines and Japan. He was also assigned to test out napalm formulas before that, in Panama. They dropped thousands of barrels of various types on deserted islands to study it's effectiveness.

My dad thought Patton was just another rich kid blowhard media whore, like MacAurthur and Clark in Italy. He credits Bradley and Eisenhower with Patton's 'successful tactics'. A lot of people still think Patton won the war or something, but he was only a moderately competent division commander with a staff that was much better than he was, but he liked to take the credit for it all in the papers, just like Dug Out Dug. What was achieved in North Africa and Europe was all Ike's strategic plan, drawn up in 1941, after he was jumped over all the rich Establishment kids playing Army and not really competent enough to run an actual war. Ike was right to stick to his plan and stop where he had planned to back in 1941; Patton would have gotten slaughtered by the Russians if he had had his way. He was virtually illiterate, by the way, and never should have been at West Point in the first place, but they passed him through anyway, just as Bush got passed through Yale and Harvard.

People also forget that it was Ike who was charged with forming the first tank U.S. armored corps back in 1918 and developing its tactics and deployments, while Patton was only his advisor because of his WW I experience. At least Patton knew enough to support Ike over himself, a pretty rare thing for Patton or the rest of who was running the little military we had pre-WW II.