why must they then pretend they're not doing it? :confused:

:shrug:

I know guys that get turned on thinking about screwing a chick in public. Isn't that about the same thing?

Some are obviously more modest than others. Not everyone wants to be a porn star.

not that extreme-but they almost show you lots of stuff..

You're trying to use logic? You should know better.

I'm not sure it's biologically motivated. I think it's just being competitive. Cleavage is in these days (woohoo!) so the ones playing the game show their boobage. But we don't see lots of leg because miniskirts aren't the fad right now.

Because Marie Claire and Redbook receive more ad revenues from bra companies than miniskirt companies, I predict boobalicious exposure to continue for some time. And I thank them for it.

i miss the legs *sigh*=competition? you know that fits better..if you could flesh the idea out a little more we might be getting somewhere..

As much as I like boobs I have to admit I'm suspicious of a real relationship if she thinks that's the only thing she can bring to the table. Seems a lot of girls try to over compensate with their boobs (or legs or butt or whatever) for some area they feel they are laking in. Like the girls who have a smoking hot body and a dog face, or maybe they're horrible at conversations or maybe they have commitment issues etc.

I think it's kind of funny in a way.. lol.. girls "competing" for guys. Wasn't it supposed to be the other way around? :p (Not that I'm complaining! :D ) Although I think the competition is more just to "up one" on the other girls because of their insecurities and spitefulness. "Look! Look at me! I'm a girl! I have bigger boobs than her! I'm better!" :rolleyes: So then we guys get to sit back and enjoy the show.

this thread makes me feel a little disheartened. :hmm:

Oh it goes both ways. Like the dumbass guy who brags about his c.ock all the time but can't even read at a 10th grade level, thinks he's a stud or something... Don't forget the machismo contests that guys have too.

this thread makes me feel a little disheartened. :hmm:

sorry sugar-we need these conferences of war because we're so pathetically outclassed..if women were all sweet and complicitous it wouldnt be necessary..

Altho' it's moving away from the subject (slightly), consider this situation:

I have female friends, who sometimes hang out with me, but do not invite me to all their social get togethers. I'm not the type to impose, I prefer being invited than inviting myself.

So after a bit of thinking, I concluded that the possible reason they don't want to take me along every time they go out, could be because they do not wish the men to get a chance to compare us. I think this is a bit ridiculous, but on a subconscious level, quite possible.

Also, women who are in couples never invite me to their house parties (whereas some other ppl have that priviledge) - although I must state quite firmly that I am the antithesis of a flirt. As a matter of fact, people often have to remind me that I should smile more or get rid of that frown.

And yet, when they hang out with me, they give away signs of wanting to be a close friend, we discuss fairly personal issues, comfort each other, exchange hugs etc.

Women don't want me around too much. I don't really see why: I am average looks wise, I dress appropriately, I don't have big boobs :) and I am not flirtatious at all. Most importantly - I am very kind and tactful. So what's the problem? What, I'm not airhead enough?

The reason I'm askin' is.... I think I would like more women friends in my life. It would be a big change for me as I have a poor history of friendships with women, so I partly understand general scepticism. BUT - I think that in my case (with these particular girls) I see other girls who get more priviledge than I do, which makes me question my entire disposition and likeability. If only I knew how people perceived me, I'd find a way to correct myself.

Now that I think about it, there is no way to flirt with me. I always see right through the person, and I think they know it too. I'm god damn stuck this way. I don't do small talk, I don't laugh at stupid jokes, I don't think going to a dinner or a movie is any more fun than staying at home watching Dr. Phil. In other words, I am not easily impressed, and if I get impressed I get intimidated at the same time. I'm freggin' hopeless.

Men compete for women's attention, too. We're just not as consciously aware of it. From a man's point of view, all he sees is himself and the women he's trying to impress. We don't spend much thought on the competition, but it's there nonetheless.

Every time you see a guy with nice clothes, or a nice car, or a nice watch, or a nice hair cut, or a witty personality, or a funny joke, or some dance moves, that guy's trying to impress the ladies. Everybody knows that. I don't know why people pay so much attention to a girl's boobs, as though showing cleavage is the only technique used to attract the opposite sex. Everybody does something to be attractive. Men and women both do it.

Women don't want me around too much. I don't really see why: I am average looks wise, I dress appropriately, I don't have big boobs :) and I am not flirtatious at all. Most importantly - I am very kind and tactful. So what's the problem? What, I'm not airhead enough?
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Now that I think about it, there is no way to flirt with me. I always see right through the person, and I think they know it too. I'm god damn stuck this way. I don't do small talk, I don't laugh at stupid jokes, I don't think going to a dinner or a movie is any more fun than staying at home watching Dr. Phil. In other words, I am not easily impressed, and if I get impressed I get intimidated at the same time. I'm freggin' hopeless.

Do you do a lot of small talk and laughing at dumb jokes with your female friends? Maybe your gal pals would like to go to the movies too. Do they think you're boring at all? Not that I think you are but from your self description they might. Maybe you're not "air head enough" for their tastes. :shrug:

No I don't do small talk and dumb jokes with female friends. I am who I am with everyone - equally. I'm starting to question why I can't bring myself to dumb it down. Not that I'm uptight or anything, but if there's a conversation going around the table that is an absolute waste of everyone's breath, I'm not going to be drawn to such a company. I dunno if you get the point I'm tryin' to make...:shrug:

We all have our definition of boring. One of mine is small talk and trivial activities.

I have introvert tendencies. That is certain. But yet, today I got a compliment from my superior, that she was impressed how well I dealt with people, made them feel comfortable etc. (you know, during interviews and the team environment in general). She said I had great potential as a future manager.:P

So I don't quite understand my own problem, I guess I have trouble finding the right crowd for me. I'm a people's person with no true friends.:eek7: wtf...:nonono:

So I don't quite understand my own problem, I guess I have trouble finding the right crowd for me. I'm a people's person with no true friends.:eek7: wtf...:nonono:

I have that problem, my father is the same. I think I take after him. :hmm:

I don't remember the original topic of this thread and the present subject is more to my liking anyway so...

I'm starting to question why I can't bring myself to dumb it down. Not that I'm uptight or anything, but if there's a conversation going around the table that is an absolute waste of everyone's breath, I'm not going to be drawn to such a company. I dunno if you get the point I'm tryin' to make...:shrug:

We all have our definition of boring. One of mine is small talk and trivial activities.

I don't think of it as "dumbing down". More like relating to people on their own level. Small talk can be boring but it can also be light, amusing and a great way to feel out someone you've just met. It all depends on one's motivation (if there is any) and weather or not the conversation moves forward to topics of mutual interest. If it doesn't and becomes annoying then it's time to move on in a polite manner.

I have introvert tendencies. That is certain. But yet, today I got a compliment from my superior, that she was impressed how well I dealt with people, made them feel comfortable etc. (you know, during interviews and the team environment in general). She said I had great potential as a future manager.:P

So I don't quite understand my own problem, I guess I have trouble finding the right crowd for me. I'm a people's person with no true friends.:eek7: wtf...:nonono:

I have that problem, my father is the same. I think I take after him. :hmm:


I can be introverted as well but just as often I can be the life of the party...the real me is probably somewhere in the middle. For instance some days I can happily stay at home and just enjoy my own thoughts and company. Other days I crave contact with people be they friends or strangers. I can sit alone in a social situation and feel comfortable with myself on some days while other times I'm not comfortable and will just slink away.

Anyway my point is I don't think you have a problem. You're both bright, pretty and articulate from what I can tell and all you really need is to be comfortable being who you are.

Acquaintances are a dime a dozen. Real friends can be tough to find and even then they'll let you down from time to time. They're only human. I'm glad your boss can see the potential in you as a manager. You're obviously not socially retarded. I agree with most of your posts and even if I don't agree with all of them it's easy to tell that you're very intelligent. Colonel is right though, even though you may not think something is interesting sometimes you have to pander to the amusements of potential friends, humor them. I've laughed at jokes that I didn't find particularly funny just out of courtesy. If you pretend you're out going long enough it'll happen for real.

Or you could go the other rout be yourself and don't make any effort to change and just wait for friends. It'll happen eventually but my guess is that it'll take a bit longer.

I think the competition is more just to "up one" on the other girls because of their insecurities and spitefulness. "Look! Look at me! I'm a girl! I have bigger boobs than her! I'm better!"

Bingo. Even if they don't want any of the guys in the immediate vicinity, they want all the guys to be wanting THEM. And by looking hotter than the competition, they get the most "points".

And it ain't just bigness in the boobie department. Some of the A- and B-cup contenders have discovered how to compete, too. But you guys already know that.

No I don't do small talk and dumb jokes with female friends. I am who I am with everyone - equally. I'm starting to question why I can't bring myself to dumb it down. Not that I'm uptight or anything, but if there's a conversation going around the table that is an absolute waste of everyone's breath, I'm not going to be drawn to such a company. I dunno if you get the point I'm tryin' to make...:shrug:

We all have our definition of boring. One of mine is small talk and trivial activities.

I have introvert tendencies. That is certain. But yet, today I got a compliment from my superior, that she was impressed how well I dealt with people, made them feel comfortable etc. (you know, during interviews and the team environment in general). She said I had great potential as a future manager.:P

So I don't quite understand my own problem, I guess I have trouble finding the right crowd for me. I'm a people's person with no true friends.:eek7: wtf...:nonono:

I think you're putting too much emphasis on labeling yourself and those around you. Stop trying to decide what "sort" of person you are, and just do whatever comes natural. Stop trying to decide whether a person is a friend or an acquaintance, and just see them for who they are: an individual.

I don't remember the original topic of this thread...

Boobies and their display. Do you guys mind?! It's important.

Btw, someone smarter than me (they had initials after their name) observed that some people have many friends, but the relationships aren't all that deep. This is okay.

Others have but few friends, but those bonds of friendship are much deeper. Here's the thing - just like some people wait a long time before meeting a truly compatible partner, those of us who are great at surface relationships (customers, co-workers, etc.) may likely find ourselves waiting longer to find those OTHER people who 1) connect deeply, and 2) are compatible with us. No worries - it'll happen, just not as quickly as more shallow friendships do.

There are other means of female exhibitionism than merely showing cleavage, like "innocently" slipping innuendo into a conversation with a guy, and getting his imagination all fired up. The idea of plausable deniability on her part leaves him wondering what exactly she really meant, and piques his interest. This works pretty well with all kinds of men, because they all want to be found desirable, and it flatters their ego. It's much more subtle than flesh simply hanging out all over, and most men respond favorably, if the woman in question isn't a real dog.