http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/09/new-obl-tape-ir.html

Are they are on the same side or something?

Because you're insane, you've lost touch with reality and you have re-written the definition of exactly?

No, it's almost as if somebody western wrote Osama's speech. That shit is just strange sounding but familiar had it been from someone else.

"There are no taxes in Islam, but rather there is a limited Zakaat [alms] totaling 2.5 percent."

So Mr. Bin Laden is saying there is no IRS in Islam? Cool. :nice:

If folks don't feel like paying that Zakaat thing, do some barbaric savages come a callin'?

That shit is really strange, completely unlike anything else he's ever said. It seems more scripted and informed. In any event he is a non factor.

Whoever wrote that speech wanted to make a connection between OBL and the American left, with fatuous praise for lightning-rods Chomsky and Scheuer etc. I'm surprised that Cindy Sheehan didn't get a mention. :rolleyes:

Now, the real question: who would want to draw such a parallel? Who would benefit the most from it?

Stupid propaganda, he even mentions global warming, so now I guess if you're for doing anything about it, you're friends with Osama or some shit like that.:nonono:

I do wonder though if the neo-cons have converted out of fear?

Woah! Osama-bin-forgotten resurfaces...again! How incompetent is our CIA, FBI, US Military, Navy Seals, to STILL not have captured him after 6 years, yet somehow we're always able to recieve his little transcripts?

It's really pathetic.

Whoever wrote that speech wanted to make a connection between OBL and the American left, with fatuous praise for lightning-rods Chomsky and Scheuer etc. I'm surprised that Cindy Sheehan didn't get a mention. :rolleyes:

Now, the real question: who would want to draw such a parallel? Who would benefit the most from it?

Ha, ha. You don't think the BA did it do you?

Well, if they could take out the WTC, why not?

:shrug:

Why does OBL sound exactly like American liberals?

He was announcing his intention to run for the Democrat nomination for the president.

No, it's almost as if somebody western wrote Osama's speech. That shit is just strange sounding but familiar had it been from someone else.

Sounded like Harry Reid actually.

But that creepy little traitor, I think his name is Nathan Ghadan, probably wrote it.

That shit is really strange, completely unlike anything else he's ever said. It seems more scripted and informed. In any event he is a non factor.
I've been reading the transcripts from many other post-9/11 OBL videos and they all say basically the same thing. This one is actually very similar from the others.

I don't understand why you (and the main stream media has been trumpeting this) believe that this particular address is strange or exceptional. Like Bush, he has been saying much of the same thing for years. The media analysis of this speech is abysmal... how did these people pass the reading comprehension portion of the SATs, let alone get through college? Do the words of our enemy deserve less scrutiny than the words of our friends?

Sep 2007 OBL Transcript (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/070907_bin_laden_transcript.pdf)
Jan 2006 OBL Transcript (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4628932.stm)
Oct 2004 OBL Transcript (http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/29/bin.laden.transcript/)

Why does OBL's advocation of a flat tax sound like Neil Boortz?

It IS interesting that he said that there are NO taxes in Islam.

But if you read the Koran, or delve into the Political-Islamic system a little you see that they don't have taxes because they are a parasitic religion and that "non-believers" are the ones that are taxed.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation/story/265723.html


Bin Laden asserted in the rambling half-hour video that the U.S. is repeating the mistake of the Soviet Union in its 1979 invasion of Afghanistan.

Prior to the United States attacking Afghanistan to remove the terrorist regime of the Taliban and Al-Gayda the American left were quick to remind the American public that Afghanistan had a long history of resisting outside control including, of course the Soviets, but also the British.

This point missed a little perspective.

1. The Soviets would NOT have been expelled without the help of the arms of the American military-industrial complex. Which, by-the-way, the American left was opposed to giving to the Soviets. Remember Jimmah Carter's plan to stop the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan? Not going to the Olympics. Yeah. That would have worked.

2. The British tried to control Afghanistan in the 19th century and it completely is irrelevant how a military "occupation" was conducted then compared to now. IF Napolean met the American military on the battlefield today he would be competely destroyed in a matter of minutes, no matter that he was a brilliant general. Comparing the British invasion of Afghanistan 200 or so years ago with the American one today is stupid.

3. The "goal" of the British and the Soviets were completely opposite of what the Americans are trying to accomplish. We, despite what the leftist idiots think, are not trying to build empire.

Laden said, according to a transcript made available Friday. Bush, he said, was “like the one who plows and sows the sea: He harvests nothing but failure.”

Tell me that this doesn't sound exactly like Chuckie Schmur, Hairy Reid, and Nancy Peloist.

While Bush professes to be spreading democracy in Iraq, “he is in fact working with the leaders of one sect against another sect,” bin Laden said.


This is kind of ironic because it is the stated goal of Al-Gayda.


And while U.S. voters gave the Democratic Party control of Congress in last year’s elections, “the Democrats haven’t made a move worth mentioning,” he said.


Even a broken clock is right twice a day!

Q:Why can't Bush find bin Laden?

A: Maybe for the same reason Bush can't find his ass with both of his hands and a flashlight.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/29/bin.laden.transcript/

And in that regard, I say to you that security is an important pillar of human life, and that free people do not compromise their security.

This is an argument that the left consistently and constantly make.

It is worded a little differently, but it is basically the "we need to understand the reasons that they have attacked us".

Richard Gere might have expressed it best when he admonished NYC that instead of looking to war we should try to find a way to use the tragedy of the Islamics killing thousands of innocent American citizens to "create peace".

Of course, another stupid leftist scumbag, Ward Churchill, called the VICTIMS and HEROS of 9/11 "little Eichmans". Implying that they deserved to be killled.

We fought with you because we are free, and we don't put up with transgressions. We want to reclaim our nation. As you spoil our security, we will do so to you.


Except I don't have to live in a cave.

I wonder about you. Although we are ushering the fourth year after 9/11, Bush is still exercising confusion and misleading you and not telling you the true reason. Therefore, the motivations are still there for what happened to be repeated.

Translation to American Left/Democrat:

"bush lied people died".

it occurred to my mind that we deal with the towers.

So, Alex Jones, is OBL a pawn of the Jew/Bush conspiracy to "pull #7" too?

During those crucial moments, my mind was thinking about many things that are hard to describe.

See? Like a Democrat he can't really articulate his arguments but relies to heavily upon "how he feels".

It is very difficult to get the full transcripts.

The SF Chron didn't have them. CNN didn't. KC.com didn't

English-AlJazeera is down too.

Q:Why can't Bush find bin Laden?

A: Maybe for the same reason Bush can't find his ass with both of his hands and a flashlight.

You think that he can't find his butt?

Q:Why can't Bush find bin Laden?

A: Maybe for the same reason Bush can't find his ass with both of his hands and a flashlight.

Why did it take so many years to find Eric Rudolph?

And he was hiding in the Carolinas?

You think that he can't find his butt?


He's so incompetent ,I doubt if he can find his dog's tail.

Why do you think that it took more than five years to find Rudolph?

Why do you think that Clinton ignored OBL for his entire presidency even though OBL was behind numerous attacks on America, and American interests?

"you made one of your greatest mistakes, in that you neither brought to account nor punished those who waged this war, not even the most violent of its murderers, [former Defense Secretary Donald] Rumsfeld…”

"You permitted Bush to complete his first term, and stranger still, chose him for a second term, which gave him a clear mandate from you -- with your full knowledge and consent -- to continue to murder our people in Iraq and Afghanistan. Then you claim to be innocent! The innocence of yours is like my innocence of the blood of your sons on the 11th -- were I to claim such a thing."

"neoconservatives like Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Richard Perle."

"People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there."

"... just a few days ago, the Japanese observed the 62nd anniversary of the annihilation of Hiroshima and Nagasaki by your nuclear weapons."

He goes on to call Noam Chomsky "among one of the most capable of those from your own side," and mentions global warming and "the Kyoto accord."

-OBL


Sounds exactly like our liberal friends to me. If you are on the same side as OBL why not just admit it? Why run from your convictions?

He was announcing his intention to run for the Democrat nomination for the president.

WOW! If you compare his statements to the Democrats running for the presidency you could only assume he was also seeking that nomination. Great observation.

"you made one of your greatest mistakes, in that you neither brought to account nor punished those who waged this war, not even the most violent of its murderers, [former Defense Secretary Donald] Rumsfeld…”

"You permitted Bush to complete his first term, and stranger still, chose him for a second term, which gave him a clear mandate from you -- with your full knowledge and consent -- to continue to murder our people in Iraq and Afghanistan. Then you claim to be innocent! The innocence of yours is like my innocence of the blood of your sons on the 11th -- were I to claim such a thing."

"neoconservatives like Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Richard Perle."

"People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there."

"... just a few days ago, the Japanese observed the 62nd anniversary of the annihilation of Hiroshima and Nagasaki by your nuclear weapons."

He goes on to call Noam Chomsky "among one of the most capable of those from your own side," and mentions global warming and "the Kyoto accord."

-OBL


Sounds exactly like our liberal friends to me. If you are on the same side as OBL why not just admit it? Why run from your convictions?


Funny how his ideology is exactly the same as yours.

Why do you think that Clinton ignored OBL for his entire presidency even though OBL was behind numerous attacks on America, and American interests?

He didn't. He had active plans to execute OBL, and he turned the matter over to Bush, who said it was a non-issue and ignored it.

Anyway, it's funny that you compare a right-wing, war hungry, theocrat to liberals, when he's identical in ideology to you people.


Issue Liberal Osama bin NeoConservative
Position Laden Position Position

Abortion Favors Opposes Opposes
Prayer in School Opposes Favors Favors
Separation of
Church & State Favors Opposes Opposes
Censorship Opposes Favors Favors
Pre-emptive Attacks Opposes Favors Favors
Interpretation of
Religious Scripture Not Literal Literal Literal
Women's Rights Favors Opposes Opposes
Death with Dignity Favors Opposes Opposes
Evolution Accepts Rejects Rejects
Invasion of Iraq Opposed Favored Favored
United Nations Supports Opposes Opposes
Gay Rights Favors Opposes Opposes
Contraceptives Favors Opposes Opposes
Sex Education Favors Opposes Opposes
Severe Penalties
for Drug Use Opposes Favors Favors
Corporal Punishment Opposes Favors Favors
Thinks There is
Only One TRUE God No Yes Yes
Dissent = Disloyalty Disagrees Agrees Agrees
Torture Opposes Favors Favors
Death Penalty Opposes Favors Favors
Execution of
Mentally Ill
and Children Opposes Favors Favors
Detention Without
Trial Opposes Favors Favors

Funny how his ideology is exactly the same as yours.

What are you talking about? I don't even have an "ideology."

He didn't. He had active plans to execute OBL, and he turned the matter over to Bush, who said it was a non-issue and ignored it.

Anyway, it's funny that you compare a right-wing, war hungry, theocrat to liberals, when he's identical in ideology to you people.


Issue Liberal Osama bin NeoConservative
Position Laden Position Position

Abortion Favors Opposes Opposes
Prayer in School Opposes Favors Favors
Separation of
Church & State Favors Opposes Opposes
Censorship Opposes Favors Favors
Pre-emptive Attacks Opposes Favors Favors
Interpretation of
Religious Scripture Not Literal Literal Literal
Women's Rights Favors Opposes Opposes
Death with Dignity Favors Opposes Opposes
Evolution Accepts Rejects Rejects
Invasion of Iraq Opposed Favored Favored
United Nations Supports Opposes Opposes
Gay Rights Favors Opposes Opposes
Contraceptives Favors Opposes Opposes
Sex Education Favors Opposes Opposes
Severe Penalties
for Drug Use Opposes Favors Favors
Corporal Punishment Opposes Favors Favors
Thinks There is
Only One TRUE God No Yes Yes
Dissent = Disloyalty Disagrees Agrees Agrees
Torture Opposes Favors Favors
Death Penalty Opposes Favors Favors
Execution of
Mentally Ill
and Children Opposes Favors Favors
Detention Without
Trial Opposes Favors Favors


I can't ignore that you have a point here, but you also shouldn't ignore our point- in many respects OBL sounds a lot like liberals, especially in regards to foreign policy.

What are you talking about? I don't even have an "ideology."

Muahahaha !!

He didn't. He had active plans to execute OBL, and he turned the matter over to Bush, who said it was a non-issue and ignored it.

Anyway, it's funny that you compare a right-wing, war hungry, theocrat to liberals, when he's identical in ideology to you people.



These pathetically weak and feeble minded attempts by the neocons to try to link left-wing and liberal ideology with islamo-radicals, and fascists ALWAYS sink like a lead brick after fundamental comparisons to their own.

They do live in a strange, alice-in-wonderland-like world

LOL

I can't ignore that you have a point here, but you also shouldn't ignore our point- in many respects OBL sounds a lot like liberals, especially in regards to foreign policy.

How is that ? ... by stating the obvious about Iraq ?

Since the majority of Americans know the war was a mistake .. does that mean that the center of american opinion "sounds a lot" like OBL ?

Muahahaha !!


There is a difference between political leanings and hard ideology. Everyone has their political leanings. Only idiots and radicals adhere to ideologies.

There is a difference between political leanings and hard ideology. Everyone has their political leanings. Only idiots and radicals adhere to ideologies.
You pretty much have that one backwards. An ideology is a connected or coherent set of beliefs and/or doctrines about which social goals are worth achieving and how to do so. It's only "idiots and radicals" who have political "leanings" without being able to fit them into a coherent and expressible ideology. Such people inevitably fall prey to all sorts of inconsistencies and counterproductive endeavors, much like a chess player who makes moves without a strategy. They're merely annoying to their opponents and useless to their (inevitably temporary) allies.

There is a difference between political leanings and hard ideology. Everyone has their political leanings. Only idiots and radicals adhere to ideologies.

You seem phobic of the word Ideology ... Political Ideology is just a set of principals or beliefs ... and yours is obvious by looking at your opening posts.

Don't be skeered of a little word

You seem phobic of the word Ideology ... Political Ideology is just a set of principals or beliefs ... and yours is obvious by looking at your opening posts.

Don't be skeered of a little word

Lets add the word "ideology" to the "List of things conservatives are skeered of."

Isn't "ideology" pretty high on the "list of words Marxists are scared of" as well?

Anyway, arguments like these are silly - if Satan himself were to come to earth and tell us that grass can sometimes be green, would you go around denouncing everyone who disagrees?

There are reasons we would so strongly oppose Satan, and they're all unrelated to his belief that grass is green - same with bin Laden and whatever beliefs he would share with American liberals.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/09/new-obl-tape-ir.html

Are they are on the same side or something?

bin Laden's talks (even when he's dead) are about a zillion times more interesting and insightful than any speech by any American politician, but that doesn't make him unique or special in any way.

Why does OBL's advocation of a flat tax sound like Neil Boortz?

"Truth Teller," as is quite common with you, you are totally wrong and or misinformed. Neil Boortz promotes the Fair Tax which is not tax on income, but a tax on retail items and poor people get the tax on those retail items refunded. Steve Forbes and many other intelligent individuals promoted a flat income tax which is of course the only fair way to tax income.

So according to "Truth Teller's" logical fallacies, Steve Forbes is like Mr. Bin Laden. :rofl:

You [deliberately] leave out OBL's crticism of the Democrats ,you dirty demagogue.

bin Laden's talks (even when he's dead) are about a zillion times more interesting and insightful than any speech by any American politician, but that doesn't make him unique or special in any way.

Does it ever both anyone else that the leader of a bunch of religious fanatics living in caves and preaching violence while opposing education is actually smarter than the leader of the "free world" by a factor of ten? Maybe it isn't the OBL sounds like a liberal. Maybe it is that conservatives have sunk into such proto-human capacity to reason and articulate thought that being able to string together a coherent sentence automatically makes you sound more liberal than conservative.

Does it ever both anyone else that the leader of a bunch of religious fanatics living in caves and preaching violence while opposing education is actually smarter than the leader of the "free world" by a factor of ten? Maybe it isn't the OBL sounds like a liberal. Maybe it is that conservatives have sunk into such proto-human capacity to reason and articulate thought that being able to string together a coherent sentence automatically makes you sound more liberal than conservative.

I'm gonna roll with that one.

You pretty much have that one backwards. An ideology is a connected or coherent set of beliefs and/or doctrines about which social goals are worth achieving and how to do so. It's only "idiots and radicals" who have political "leanings" without being able to fit them into a coherent and expressible ideology. Such people inevitably fall prey to all sorts of inconsistencies and counterproductive endeavors, much like a chess player who makes moves without a strategy. They're merely annoying to their opponents and useless to their (inevitably temporary) allies.

Disagree. Ideologues are stiff in their interpretations of political events and do things like blame the leaders of the opposition for everything bad that has ever happened to a country. People with political leanings are more pragmatic and flexible and don't do silly things like drive around with bumper stickers that say "the road to hell is paved with republicans/democrats"

I'm gonna roll with that one.

I'm in too.

Osama is the leader of moveon.org

Maybe it is that conservatives have sunk into such proto-human capacityWhether your opinion is right or wrong is immaterial; that comment made my day!