This is not the type of topic that I normally bring up... racism, sexism, etc... but I was thinking about this today, so I'll talk about it. Feel free to give me your thoughts.

I guess when you don't personally experience something, you sometimes forget that it exists. I rarely experience racism... but I have, and the times that I have, it was surprising to me.

Its also surprising to me (and maybe I've been naive) that in the year 2002 there are still some hardcore racists out there (NAZI's, skinheads, etc). Not that I think these people are a threat... I'm just a bit surprised they exist. I just don't understand how some people can live like that, filled with hate. (geesh, i'm sounding like a bleeding heart liberal! :D)

Another observation. Sexism. I don't consider myself a 'feminist', or a 'womyn' :rolleyes:, I'm a person. Yes, I'm a woman, but like with race, I'm not overly focused on gender. I was always raised to believe that I could do anything with my life... the sky's the limit. So sexism isn't even something that I think about, because I just assume that in this day and age we are beyond the (knuckle-dragging) sexism, at least in this country.

But it does still exist. In fact, let me give you an example. I used to post on the old Rage board, and my screen name was 3 letters (my initials)... it was gender-neutral. So for a while, posters on that forum didn't know if I was a girl or guy.... in fact, many people there, for some reason, thought I was a guy. That worked out fine, because when talking or debating with people, there was respect. (for the most part) The same thing with freerepublic.com.... my sn was neutral there, too. Of course eventually people get to know eachother, and pictures are posted. ;) But by that time they already know you, and they haven't prejudged you. (if you have a neutral name)

I've noticed here at DA, since I'm using 'buttercup' (a very feminine name), some guys automatically assume you're an idiot, or ignoramus, before you even talk to them. Maybe I've imagined this, but it kinda seems that way. Are any women with me on this? :D

There are other prejudices too.... but I think that's enough to talk about for now. ;)

Let me know what you think!

What's a womyn? :)

But you are a...wait... :p

Anyway, yeah, I seem to recall thinking you were a guy when we first met on RATM.com, but if it was otherwise it wouldn't have made a difference to me; there are no doors to hold open for you online :p

Originally posted by buggy
What's a womyn? :)

I guess that's what feminists are calling themselves these days. :D

On this other forum (ebn) there are actually a couple girls that said "wemoon" is another word for them. Apparently they don't like the word 'women'!

lol

Originally posted by buggy
What's a womyn? :)

A woman who dislikes the "man" in "woman". The plural is "wemoon", apparently.

:confused:

It strikes me as a bloody pointless bit of feminism, but it's not up to me to decide whether or not people make up strange names for themselves...

Originally posted by JoeyNormal
But you are a...wait... :p

Anyway, yeah, I seem to recall thinking you were a guy when we first met on RATM.com, but if it was otherwise it wouldn't have made a difference to me; there are no doors to hold open for you online :p

Hey, I never said I didn't like doors to be help open! ;) :D

But yeah... I know what you're saying. :cool:

Originally posted by JoeyNormal


A woman who dislikes the "man" in "woman". The plural is "wemoon", apparently.

:confused:

It strikes me as a bloody pointless bit of feminism, but it's not up to me to decide whether or not people make up strange names for themselves...


lol.... it was so funny when sisterhawk and jonny were getting into it about that! :D

btw, we posted the same thing at the same time. :p

Originally posted by buttercup
Hey, I never said I didn't like doors to be help open! ;) :D

But yeah... I know what you're saying. :cool:

If we ever meet [unlikely, but hey...] I'll open a door for ya ;)

I should really - and I try to - extend this courtesy to both sexes, but often the bull**** male territoriatility etc makes it innappropriate....

Originally posted by buttercup



lol.... it was so funny when sisterhawk and jonny were getting into it about that! :D

btw, we posted the same thing at the same time. :p

Yup, yup....but mine was better :p

Now, on racism and Nazuism, I'm going to make the question I asked you when we were using PMs public - How do people justify such beliefs?

I extend the courtesy (sometimes) to whoever is walking through the door...

oh, and thanks Joey! :)

Strange. I've never heard of the term. Can't folks just find a middle ground? You have the feminazi non-underam shaving chicks and the like oh my god did you see this week's new prada shoes chicks.

I post on a Mustang board and this broad is always making reference to 'I don't wear nail polish or cute clothes' - like it's bad to be attractive. I don't get it.

Oh and yeah, I don't get racists either, I was browsing stormfront earlier and I was amazed at some of things being said. Personally, I enjoy pointing out that I have tainted one of their own... :D My husband is a gringo! :)

Cristina-

Wow, I am posting in journals. Weird!

Now, on racism and Nazuism, I'm going to make the question I asked you when we were using PMs public - How do people justify such beliefs?

That's what I want to know... We need to get Mr. Goebbels or TP in here to answer these questions.

I've got nothing against the chicks in the middle ground, but either extreme gets on my nerves. Butch chicks: Bad. Brainless fashion obsessed venal little, ah, bitches = bad.

I'm reminded of a line from My Fair Lady; "Why can't a woman be more like a man?"....but that'd have too many problems...yeuch! 50% of us being testorone charged is bad enough...

Originally posted by buggy
Strange. I've never heard of the term. Can't folks just find a middle ground? You have the feminazi non-underam shaving chicks and the like oh my god did you see this week's new prada shoes chicks.

I post on a Mustang board and this broad is always making reference to 'I don't wear nail polish or cute clothes' - like it's bad to be attractive. I don't get it.

Oh and yeah, I don't get racists either, I was browsing stormfront earlier and I was amazed at some of things being said. Personally, I enjoy pointing out that I have tainted one of their own... :D My husband is a gringo! :)

Cristina-

Wow, I am posting in journals. Weird!


I agree about the middle ground. I like being feminine, I don't think its bad to be attractive. But there are more important things!

I haven't been to that stormfront website. I don't know if I will... its sad to see stuff like that.

you don't post in journals, buggy? how come you don't have one! :)

btw, i gotta go to bed soon... i'm supposed to be up at 7 tomorrow!

Originally posted by buttercup
But it does still exist. In fact, let me give you an example. I used to post on the old Rage board, and my screen name was 3 letters (my initials)... it was gender-neutral. So for a while, posters on that forum didn't know if I was a girl or guy.... in fact, many people there, for some reason, thought I was a guy. That worked out fine, because when talking or debating with people, there was respect. (for the most part) The same thing with freerepublic.com.... my sn was neutral there, too. Of course eventually people get to know eachother, and pictures are posted. ;) But by that time they already know you, and they haven't prejudged you. (if you have a neutral name)

I've noticed here at DA, since I'm using 'buttercup' (a very feminine name), some guys automatically assume you're an idiot, or ignoramus, before you even talk to them. Maybe I've imagined this, but it kinda seems that way. Are any women with me on this? :D


I knew you from FreeRepublic.com, and read yor posts before I ever sw your picture. I liked what I read, and yes, your name was nuetral to apoint, but men and women have different styles of writing. Women write much more flowing, while men tend to be strait to the point, so, after a while, it was noticable you were a woman.:p

One thing I found there, though, if you were a woman, and you were sharp/funny/smart, you got more respect from the guys. In fact, you were on the verge of being idolized because you were smart/funny/politically knowlegable.:)

I guess it is quite the contast between thinking women and women that voted for Algore because they like the way he kissed his wife...and, yes, that is not just a story, I spoke with 2 that told me that was exactly why they voted for him!:rolleyes:

Thank you Banky! :o ((big hug)) :D

and yeah, I know the women you're talking about. I've heard some really silly reasons for voting!! (I hate to say this, but some women 'vote with their panties')

anyway, its morning for you and night for me. i gotta go to bed! g'night! :)

Joey - I agree. You don't have to be overly prissy, but you won't (in the case I speak of anyway) be betraying your cronie car enthusiasts if you pamper yourself from time to time. Or at least get a facial. :p

buttercup - I am horrible at keeping diaries. I recently tried an exercise journal and that flopped. I suck at reading them too. I generally read Lat cuz she's my local chum and Powerboss'. Sometimes the journals are more overwhelming than the political forums! :D

If I can toss my 2¢ in here, I have to say that I seldom see racism at all, outside of television, but when I do encounter it (in any direction) I am always disappointed and it makes me sad. Unfortunately, there are still just enough nitwits out there raising their kids wrong, and a just enough old timers that remember past injustices, that they keep it alive.

By old-timers with bad recollections I mean either side of the coin. I know of senior black grandparents that remember having to use a different (dirtier) restroom than the other citizens because of their skin colour, and I know one white senior lady that while she tries to be fair, it’s hard for her to forget that in the neighborhood she grew up in, if she saw a group of black boys walking her direction, she’d better scream an run fast (bad inner-city Detroit neighborhood). Neither of these people has had fresh cause to be uneasy about the ‘other’ type in decades. The one hasn’t been denied use of a public restroom, the other hasn’t been the target of a gang. But sometimes it’s hard to let go.

Same two-sided thing for the kids being raised. I know there are some ‘ignant hillbilly’ types as well as well-polished whites that teach, either directly or by example and implication, that all black people are either lazy, criminals, or both. The hillbilly ones teach them that ‘coloured folk’ are too uppity, and need to be put back in their place (whatever the blazes that is supposed to mean) and the more sophisticated ones just operate under the presumption that the few bad examples they’ve seen of black people are the norm, so don’t trust them. There are also black families, both well-off and poor that teach their kids that all white people hate them, and that the ‘great whitey’ owes them and always will. One set teaches them to get whatever they can by whatever means, because stealing and such doesn’t count if it’s taking whitey’s stuff. The other teaches them to go out, work hard, succeed in fair play, but still never trust a white man.

It’s really sad. The only way to overcome it is to do your best to be fair and kind to everyone you meet. I try not to form an opinion on anyone on first sight unless they make it unavoidable. If my first contact with a young black man is to be cut off in the parking lot, where he parks across 3 spaces, and leaves his car walking with a ‘I dare anybody to say anything to me about it’ look on his face, then I can’t help but think he might have been programmed to be that way by a reverse-prejudice upbringing. Same thing, if I were to see some white punk step out of his vehicle (complete with stars-n-bars Reb Flag in the window) and he elbows some back gentleman out of his way and says ‘better move, boy’ despite the fact he is much younger than the gentleman he just elbowed. I can’t help thinking he was raised by some KKK nut.

You know what I just love though? I love taking my kid to McDonalds, and in the middle of the kids all running around playing, my little boy, who’s been taught to love everyone, sees a little black boy fall down off a step, and he goes over and hugs him and asks, ‘You okay?’ and both kids smile like only little kids can. It’s even better when the parent sees it, is pleased, and you acknowledge one another and can chat from that point. That kind of thing gives me hope. There’s two kids right there that weren’t pre-programmed for pointless conflict.

Okay, maybe that was more like a buck fifty, not two cents, but that’s my thoughts. I know it only discusses one of many possible ethnic conflicts, but that’s the most common in this country, and in any case, I make it a point to be this way with everyone.

Originally posted by buttercup
Thank you Banky! :o ((big hug)) :D

I like dem hugs...(sigh)]:D

and yeah, I know the women you're talking about. I've heard some really silly reasons for voting!! (I hate to say this, but some women 'vote with their panties')

anyway, its morning for you and night for me. i gotta go to bed! g'night! :)
you are such an insomniac!!!!

You are going to have to have some serious internet addiction therapy when you get back to work!;)

Thanks Frog, I agree with your $1.50! :p Its true that its very hard for some to let go of the past. But living with that anger/bitterness does nothing but continue the cycle of racism... and it makes it difficult to move forward.

BTW, have you heard of Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson? (The "other Jesse") I've met him a couple times, he is the antithesis of Jesse Jackson. He has an entirely different message for the Black community. He is considered 'controversial' by some people, but I think he rocks! Why? Because he just tells it like it is, and people either love him or hate him for it! Here's a link to his site: http://www.bondinfo.org/


ps - you sound like a great Dad! :) :cool:

Originally posted by Banky


I like dem hugs...(sigh)]:D


you are such an insomniac!!!!

You are going to have to have some serious internet addiction therapy when you get back to work!;)


:D I'm not an insomniac! (I fall asleep quickly!) I'm just a night person. :)


but you're right about the internet addiction. :o

I've noticed here at DA, since I'm using 'buttercup' (a very feminine name), some guys automatically assume you're an idiot, or ignoramus, before you even talk to them. Maybe I've imagined this, but it kinda seems that way. Are any women with me on this?


Buttercup.. I didn't get to read through everyone's replies, (I'm fixing to go back and do that) so if I've repeated something somebody's already said, forgive me. I've noticed that there are a few females on here that aren't holding up the intelligent-conversation end of the stick, if you know what I mean. They talk more or less about irrelevent subjects that just kind of are attention grabbers. As for my participation on the board, I would say it's 80% reading what other people are saying and taking it in (learning, processing, etc) and actually 20% replying to different areas. I'm still a little shy myself when it comes to talking in the big debates, which is why I don't partake as much as I would like. Do you think the other females might be discrediting the intelligent females? Just a thought.. :)

I think racism is the most prevelant one that I see. And unfortunately I see it a lot. There's sub genre of punk called Oi that attracts a lot of skinheads, mostly skinheads actually. Many of the modern day skinheads are not racist, but there's plenty that are. I've been to many shows where someone calls someone ni***r outside and a near brawl starts.

About a month ago, someone said to my friend (who's black), I've never met a n****r I didn't like.

I hear people use racial slurs jokingly all the time.

I'm not one to get all PC, but there really is no need to use words that are derragatory, even in jest.

Like you said buttercup, there's plenty of other 'ism's.' I'm not whining about it, but I've experienced plenty of agism. I've seen plenty of sexism. Whatever the word would be for people against homosexuals, I've seen that tons.

Something you said struck me. You haven't really experienced these things, so you don't think about them much. I think that's the case for most people that are guilty of being racist, sexist, etc. myself included. Racists have almost never been on the other end. Sexists are usually male and haven't experienced being discriminated against for your gender.

I know many people disagree, but homosexuals do not see their sexual preference as a choice, so when they're discriminated against, it feels the same to them as if someone were calling a black man a n****r or a mexican a wetback. It's just wrong. If you don't like certain races, sexes, genders, sexual preferences, I can't change that, but people do not deserve to be treated with disrespect, ignorance, and hatred for being human.

Originally posted by igofast

Something you said struck me. You haven't really experienced these things, so you don't think about them much. I think that's the case for most people that are guilty of being racist, sexist, etc. myself included. Racists have almost never been on the other end. Sexists are usually male and haven't experienced being discriminated against for your gender.


Oh, Man, have I got a story for YOU!!

We all know that Black Americans have an occasional tough time, especially from years ago. Not so recently, but when I was a child in the 60's, I heard the N word many times, and Black men just didnt do anything about it. However, in that time period, I saw the riots in Newark, LA, Hartford, and a fight back attitude came out that was never shown on the tv.

While that all happened in towns near mine, I never saw or experienced it personnaly, saw a black man get harrassed, or saw a white man get harrassed, everyone just stayed with 'their own kind' so to speak, and when in public, just stayed polite.

My own close personal contact with Black Americans on a one to one level, not just in passing, was in the service. I learned that I thought things I never knew I thought, that I would condemn if I ever heard, but found myself thinking or saying embarrassing things when i thought I was just having conversation. It was a painful growing experience. I insulted one of the best men I ever met once with a comment I made, thinking I was just saying nothing at all, and it turned out to be one of the most racist statement a person could ever say. He just looked at me and said, "I thought you were different..."

I was so ashamed, and it made me careful to examine what I felt/thought/said from then on. It almost made me nervous, to think I might see ignorant words like that come out again. But I grew up.

I was politically active recently, and I went to oppose Clinton in Hartford in 1999. I was almost lynched. I was called evey racist name against a white man you could think of, and the crowd even called for my death. A Black policeman even told me he wasn't going to risk his personal safety to defend me!

I had 75 to 100 people calling for my death all because I was white.

So, to hear that racists are those who never experienced racism...I would beg to differ.

Originally posted by Lateralis

Buttercup.. I didn't get to read through everyone's replies, (I'm fixing to go back and do that) so if I've repeated something somebody's already said, forgive me. I've noticed that there are a few females on here that aren't holding up the intelligent-conversation end of the stick, if you know what I mean. They talk more or less about irrelevent subjects that just kind of are attention grabbers. As for my participation on the board, I would say it's 80% reading what other people are saying and taking it in (learning, processing, etc) and actually 20% replying to different areas. I'm still a little shy myself when it comes to talking in the big debates, which is why I don't partake as much as I would like. Do you think the other females might be discrediting the intelligent females? Just a thought.. :)

Yeah, I agree with you about some of the females. But I think people should still give others the benefit of the doubt, instead of pre-judging.

I think its good that you do a lot of reading/processing/learning. That's the great thing about the internet... there is SO much information on just about any subject under the sun... I am always trying to learn more, about all sorts of different things.

Do I think some females might be discrediting others? Well, I think some women might give women in general a bad name (like the ones who say they voted for their candidate because he's cute) :D but I think that can be true for all groups. Some men give all men a bad name. ;) But this is why we should take people on an individual basis, instead of going by any pre-conceived notions.

Originally posted by Banky
So, to hear that racists are those who never experienced racism...I would beg to differ.
A couple points. First, you made it sound like you realized a lot of your thoughts/comments were racist BEFORE you were exposed to being on the other end. I think many racist people would think twice about it if they were on the receiving end before they act out their racism. You realized your biggotry before your anti-white experience, which is great, I wish more people would realize stuff like that.

My second point is there are always exceptions to the rule. You and others do not fit into what I posted, but I think the majority do.

Gee, buttercup..your a popular lady:D

I thought you were in Conn. or somewhere fending off Snouter, but noticed in one of the threads you were heading toward the Bay Area...so I find myself here.

My first thought when I saw your tag was how some of the girls when I was a kid would take a buttercup flower and stick it under your chin to see if it relected. Never did figure that one out, not to mention it wasn't as much fun as playing "doctor" :D

Thanks.. :D I'm in Santa Cruz right now, visiting a friend and I'll be here for a couple days. I was at the beach today... its so nice here! :)

hmm, i never heard about sticking a buttercup under a chin!

Originally posted by buttercup
Thanks.. :D I'm in Santa Cruz right now, visiting a friend and I'll be here for a couple days. I was at the beach today... its so nice here! :)

hmm, i never heard about sticking a buttercup under a chin!

I think the buttercups under the chin were to see if they reflect for some reason. It might have meant that if it reflects, youwill find true love or something.:cool:

Originally posted by buttercup
I'm in Santa Cruz right now, visiting a friend and I'll be here for a couple days.

That's neat. Maybe you can get us some better pics of Miss Misery:D

It is such a tragedy that -isms exist at all. I have experienced sexism and racism and its degrading but I wont get into that. I can either let it run my life or I can choose to move on... I choose to move on. :)

In this country (america) we are taught tolerance. I find that absurb. Tolerance gives the illusion that there is something 'wrong' with gender, race, whatever. Ignorance is the problem, not tolerance. I dont classify myself as anything other than human. With being human comes a great responsiblity...my mind. I can learn to look past prejudices and hope that others around me will learn to do the same.

Living in this world and universe is a wonderful thing. It is here for our enjoyment. I choose to look at the world as all a part of me. Those around me are an extension of me and I am no better or different.

Yeah, I don't really like the 'tolerance' thing either.... something about that has always bothered me. I'm not sure if its for the same reason, but I just don't like that word and it seems the people who preach 'tolerance' are usually hypocritical.

anyway, good points you brought up!

Originally posted by buttercup
This is not the type of topic that I normally bring up... racism, sexism, etc... but I was thinking about this today, so I'll talk about it. Feel free to give me your thoughts.

I guess when you don't personally experience something, you sometimes forget that it exists. I rarely experience racism... but I have, and the times that I have, it was surprising to me.

Its also surprising to me (and maybe I've been naive) that in the year 2002 there are still some hardcore racists out there (NAZI's, skinheads, etc). Not that I think these people are a threat... I'm just a bit surprised they exist. I just don't understand how some people can live like that, filled with hate. (geesh, i'm sounding like a bleeding heart liberal! :D)

Another observation. Sexism. I don't consider myself a 'feminist', or a 'womyn' :rolleyes:, I'm a person. Yes, I'm a woman, but like with race, I'm not overly focused on gender. I was always raised to believe that I could do anything with my life... the sky's the limit. So sexism isn't even something that I think about, because I just assume that in this day and age we are beyond the (knuckle-dragging) sexism, at least in this country.

But it does still exist. In fact, let me give you an example. I used to post on the old Rage board, and my screen name was 3 letters (my initials)... it was gender-neutral. So for a while, posters on that forum didn't know if I was a girl or guy.... in fact, many people there, for some reason, thought I was a guy. That worked out fine, because when talking or debating with people, there was respect. (for the most part) The same thing with freerepublic.com.... my sn was neutral there, too. Of course eventually people get to know eachother, and pictures are posted. ;) But by that time they already know you, and they haven't prejudged you. (if you have a neutral name)

I've noticed here at DA, since I'm using 'buttercup' (a very feminine name), some guys automatically assume you're an idiot, or ignoramus, before you even talk to them. Maybe I've imagined this, but it kinda seems that way. Are any women with me on this? :D

There are other prejudices too.... but I think that's enough to talk about for now. ;)

Let me know what you think!

About the isms, I am an ex-racist, and I'm still a sexist. It can be easier to live one's life if one can make quick decisions on how to deal with people based on observable and or perceived differences. And, hate, like love, can be a sort of drug. I found out within the past five years that I'm "blood kin" (as well as being kin by marriage) to some black people, and that makes it even more important to me to see to it that people don't suffer as a result of racism. I still am not sure if voluntary segregation isn't best, though. I'm not talking about Apartheid or anything like it in terms of the human rights situation which made opposing Apartheid in South Africa such a moral mandate, but what if me and the people I know want to build a new town where people who aren't like us aren't allowed to buy houses or businesses? Would that be wrong, do you think?
As far as sexism goes, I try to not assume that all women will act like women, but women do seem to be different than men in how they behave and in their responses to various stimuli. I've often thought that we'd all be happier in the long run if people went back to the way they lived before WWII, excepting, of course, for the unkindness which they visited on others. So, that's what I think about that. :)

Thanks for your comments, alienation. :) I'm glad to hear you're no longer a racist! About sexism. Everyone is an individual, and I just think we should try not to prejudge. What is it that you don't like about women?

Originally posted by buttercup
Thanks for your comments, alienation. :) I'm glad to hear you're no longer a racist! About sexism. Everyone is an individual, and I just think we should try not to prejudge.

"Judge not lest ye be judged." said the Lord, but should I really treat women exactly the way I treat men? And if I don't treat women exactly the way I treat men, aren't I pre-judging all of the women who I treat differently from men unless the women tell me explicitly "Treat me like I'm a woman." That's what I'm talking about, as much as anything else, (I hope anyway) when I say I'm a sexist. Y'know, chivalry, opening doors for the ladies, all that, and yet, really, isn't that sexist? When Paul writes "I do not suffer a woman to teach", isn't Paul being a sexist? Should I just disregard Paul's teachings, or just the one's of them which don't seem to match up with today's political Zeitgeist (I think that's the word for it)?

What is it that you don't like about women?

AHHAHAHAHAHA!
So it's that obvious is it? Ok, here goes: many of the ladies do seem to be possessed with some annoying traits, in my experience, and I will attempt to make mention of the more glaring ones here.
Emotionality, it begins to grate on the nerves in fairly short order. I'll admit to being pretty unemotional and to disliking displays of emotion in others, so maybe there's a sort of cultural factor at work in my distaste for women's emotionality. They've not fought any wars since pre-Christian times (by themselves I mean), and yet they expect (in some cases it seems) to be accepted into the military even though they get to keep their hair long (why aren't men allowed that privilege as well?). A lot of them seem to say "We're just as good as you men are." First of all the Bible directly contradicts that, and so does science. You're better than us at having babies, being happy (apparently) and living a long time. Apart from those things, you're better looking than we are, but that seems to be about it. I love women, but I want them to be sensible and content with their traditional roles in society (with some changes inasmuch as this is the twenty-first century and all). A lot of women really don't seem to think that abortion is murderous. So, as these women have my fellow men killed off in the womb, or worse, after they've essentially been born (Partial Birth abortion is infanticide if you ask me.), they often seem to whinge about this or that alleged "injustice" which women are undergoing. Madness! Women don't seem to take responsibility for their role in the deterioration of culture- it's blame the gun nuts, blame the racists, blame the corporations and the republicans, blame all the "stupid" "insensitive" "bumbling" "laughably pitiable" men- well what about the promiscuous girls who interrupt men's lives with their scantily clad bodies, marry and then divorce them, and live at home whilst the men support them and their children in return for which support they are "allowed" to visit their own children, as though being allowed to visit one's children was like being allowed to have a driver's license? It seems as though women keep asking for more power, for better treatment (preferential treatment I'd say) in society, and then going onto idiotic talk shows to whine and mewl about lives which their grandmother's would've envied in terms of the luxuries enjoyed by those leading the aforementioned lives. Whew! What a lot of complaining, eh?:)
I want to say again, I love women mislead though many of them seem to be. HOORAY WOMEN!:D
Now don't anyone call me a misogynist, please, ok? Thanks.:)