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Criminal
05-07-2007, 11:04 PM
A clear example of people who use fundimetalist religious beliefs as a basis for acts of terror. Remember, this is NOT a muslim group. They use Christianity as the basis of their belief system. Yet this is a group which abducts children and uses them as soldiers. They are cited by various reports as being a major violator of human rights.

http://www.cdi.org/program/document.cfm?documentid=2606&programID=39&from_page=../friendlyversion/printversion.cfm

The Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA) has been active in northern Uganda for 18 years. The group’s survival is due mainly to a highly centralized command structure, external aid, and the use of brutal tactics against civilians. Despite the intense efforts of the Ugandan government, the LRA has continued to wreak havoc in the north of the country. This campaign has prevented any resolution of the deep-rooted issues that have plagued the African country since it achieved independence in 1956.



The origins of the LRA stem from the aftermath of a 1986 coup orchestrated by current Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni, an ethnic Munyankole from western Uganda, against then-President Tito Okello Lutwa, an ethnic Acholi from the north of the country. Fearing retribution for massacres they committed during their time in power, the remnants of the Acholi forces fled to northern Uganda and Sudan, where they coalesced under the leadership of Alice Auma “Lakwena” to form the Holy Spirit Movement (HSM). The HSM had broad popular support among the Acholis because it addressed their grievances. These grievances revolve largely around fear of marginalization in a government dominated by western Ugandans as well as resentment against perceived government-sponsored atrocities and cattle raids. After the defeat of the HSM in 1987, a power vacuum formed in northern Uganda, which Joseph Kony founded the LRA a year later to fill.

See link for the rest of the story....

Criminal
05-07-2007, 11:05 PM
The LRA remains centered on its founder Joseph Kony. A ruthless leader and self-proclaimed messenger of God, Kony uses a combination of fear and mysticism to maintain control over the LRA and sustain the conflict in northern Uganda. Kony’s goals are not immediately clear, even to his own followers. Though the conventional wisdom is that Kony’s main objective is to establish a state based upon the Biblical Ten Commandments, events, other analysts and former combatants suggest other goals. One former LRA commander claims that Kony wants to “cleanse” Uganda of those who wish to sustain war, and that the struggle would continue until no one had the will to fight any longer. Kony meanwhile has hinted that he is fighting on behalf of the Acholi people of northern Uganda against a government that discriminates against them.

:hmm:

oki
05-08-2007, 08:29 AM
they are allso infamous for enlsaving war victom kids, forcing teh girls to be sex slaves, the boys to be child soldiers. the leader, forgot his name, is basically god.

zipper99
05-09-2007, 11:49 AM
they are allso infamous for enlsaving war victom kids, forcing teh girls to be sex slaves, the boys to be child soldiers. the leader, forgot his name, is basically god.


..as long as they accept the Lord Jesus as their personal saviour all their sins will be forgiven...

..bit of luck that, really.

vindex
05-09-2007, 12:00 PM
..as long as they accept the Lord Jesus as their personal saviour all their sins will be forgiven...

..bit of luck that, really.

they're animals, and if they're christians, it's only in name. it's like telling everybody you're a vegetarian, but only eating meat, and never vegetables; it doesn't mean anything...at all.

fat mike
05-09-2007, 12:27 PM
the Nigerians also have an army like this-i wonder if there's a connection...

oki
05-09-2007, 05:09 PM
only in fanatism, I think.

9ball8
05-12-2007, 01:45 AM
Sayyyyy...
A shared border with Sudan, you say? Perhaps these guys could meet with Sudan's Islamic Armies of Faith and whatnot, and they could all have a "little chat" to resolve the issue of which God's Army is more holy or whatever.

-Just an idea... :rolleyes:

But if it works, normal people in both countries could get on with their lives.

Criminal
05-12-2007, 04:00 AM
they're animals, and if they're christians, it's only in name. it's like telling everybody you're a vegetarian, but only eating meat, and never vegetables; it doesn't mean anything...at all.
Of course their actions have little to do with Christianity, as it was preached by Jesus Christ. But thats my point, people will use religion as a pretext to promote any agenda possible.

Christianity is all about peace. Jesus said that because of him "brother will kill brother" and so on. Yes, its not peace but a sword. BUt what Jesus really meant was that there are many who will use their supposed faith as a pretext for making war. But that was not Jesus' agenda but man's.

Red shine´y
05-12-2007, 05:19 AM
they're animals, and if they're christians, it's only in name. it's like telling everybody you're a vegetarian, but only eating meat, and never vegetables; it doesn't mean anything...at all.
...just like anything you just said :D
Im sure Criminals main idea was that fascistoid men, no matter what god they submit to, are simple bigots and murderers. At least thats what I think, Real Christian there... and a Real Human too :rolleyes:

Red shine´y
05-12-2007, 05:22 AM
only in fanatism, I think.
Theres only one cure for fanatism - unrestricted education and mutual respect. But you know all that, Oki :)

Red shine´y
05-12-2007, 06:48 AM
Of course their actions have little to do with Christianity, as it was preached by Jesus Christ. But thats my point, people will use religion as a pretext to promote any agenda possible.

Christianity is all about peace. Jesus said that because of him "brother will kill brother" and so on. Yes, its not peace but a sword. BUt what Jesus really meant was that there are many who will use their supposed faith as a pretext for making war. But that was not Jesus' agenda but man's.
I prefer mens agenda before some ilusionary diety. People fight not because they believe in different things... they fight because the other side is a mirror, reflecting their own image. And they dont like what they see...

The problem here is not about faith. Its about old men reaching a point of unrestricted power and executing it in brutal manner. Its all about themselves, their women, kids and other "property"... 2000 years after sacred delivery were still far from JC´s kingdom.

oki
05-12-2007, 07:53 AM
Theres only one cure for fanatism - unrestricted education and mutual respect. But you know all that, Oki :)yep. :) in this case, locking up that child raping basterd will be a good idea as well...

fat mike
05-12-2007, 09:37 AM
Sayyyyy...
A shared border with Sudan, you say? Perhaps these guys could meet with Sudan's Islamic Armies of Faith and whatnot, and they could all have a "little chat" to resolve the issue of which God's Army is more holy or whatever.

-Just an idea... :rolleyes:

But if it works, normal people in both countries could get on with their lives.

that's what i was asking-i thought they already had-i might be mistaken

Red shine´y
05-13-2007, 09:00 AM
yep. :) in this case, locking up that child raping basterd will be a good idea as well...
I think we should - but how would we accomplish that without "bombing them back to megalith era"? I mean, its all about women, children, freedom and justice, right?

oki
05-13-2007, 09:56 AM
they are hiding somewhere in the jungle, so...
but I really dont know. the ugandan gouv. has recently made a deal with him I think. and I saw on tv he let some journalists in his hideout, and did an interview.

Kaliayev
05-14-2007, 06:08 AM
They're currently in peace talks with the government there, its true, but I hold little hope of it being peacefully resolved. Kony is a fanatic, of that there is no doubt and I can't see him being appeased except with concessions that improve his power and influence.

Someone mentioned Sudan, its interesting to note that the south of that country is predominantly Christian, in fact. The region is typical of most African states, with religious and ethnic divides not matching state ones. South Sudan finds them to be quite the embarassment, I believe, since it complicates their own relationship to the central government (in spite of the rumours of LRA support in Khartoum).

oki
05-14-2007, 07:31 AM
yea I dont think he has anyones support really.

lancemaria
05-14-2007, 10:20 PM
yup we dont know,...

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