I have been watching this for a loooooooong time. since the great Nissan Skyline GT-R's of the 90's I've been a huge fan but too lazy or daring to get one on ebay. We here in the US will get our first brand new Nissan Skylines as soon as they start their 2009 model year and I plan to buy one right away assuming that I am settled enough at that time to get it. Price tag is predicted to be around $70K and it is believed that the new skyline will strip the Z06 corvette of it's title as the best bang for your buck.

here's some eye candy for you....
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/GeneralFuture/articleId=119599

Is anybody else besides myself eagerly awaiting the release of the skyline to the US?


And please don't give me any of that "this is old news" crap. I never said this was new news. if that's all you have to say, don't post.

I think it has perhaps the ugliest greenhouse of any car I've ever seen, what were they thinking?

But at 70k how will it strip the ZO6 for best bang for the buck? Same price less power..

The ZO6 is no joke.

I think it has perhaps the ugliest greenhouse of any car I've ever seen, what were they thinking?

But at 70k how will it strip the ZO6 for best bang for the buck? Same price less power..

The ZO6 is no joke.

true dat, they are saying it though. not much is known aside from the pictures and a couple videos.

It looks just like the 350Z, with tail lights from the Altima...

Looks pretty boring to me.

looks, maybe. how about a sports car thought to have 4 wheel steering, AWD, and twin turbo. Would you use that for drifting?

I know I would love to take one to my porsche club meetings and own many of them on the autocross.

Engines with big displacements don't need twin turbos :P

Engines with big displacements don't need twin turbos :P

engines with big displacements and twin turbos are even better. see saleen s7 :P

http://www.saleen.com/saleen_s7_main.htm

Wanna know why nobody ever drives a Saleen S7 on the road? Because it uses up a full tank of gas before it gets to the next gas station three blocks away! :rofl:

Wanna know why nobody ever drives a Saleen S7 on the road? Because it uses up a full tank of gas before it gets to the next gas station three blocks away! :rofl:

sry, but when you have $580K to spend on a car, I think gas is the least of your worries. :rolleyes:

Aslo Feenix, fuel economy for the S7 is 10 city, 17 highway and it has a 19 gallon tank. You have no idea.

Obviously I was exaggerating. :nonono:

Nobody drives an S7 because they're all too afraid it'll get scratched! :rofl:

Obviously I was exaggerating. :nonono:

Nobody drives an S7 because they're all too afraid it'll get scratched! :rofl:

heh, true dat. :nice:

meh, doesn't do much for me. I'd rather have a Lancer Evo X (which I'd never actually get cause i'd take a Lotus Exige over that, which I probably also won't get)

http://www.automobilemag.com/future_cars/2008/0604_2008_mitsubishi_lancer_evolution_x/

http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/0511_mitsubishi_concept_x_01_445.jpg

Looks like a car from the Burnout game series

Welcome to 2 years ago. That concept has been out for awhile.

I am so sick of hearing how the c6 z06 is the best bang for the buck. They are quick for being stock, but the one that runs around here has gotten it's ass handed to him more than once.

Yeah, but can the cars that beat the Z06 also be driven to work every day without needing to worry about the thing spending more time in the shop than on the road?

Yeah, but can the cars that beat the Z06 also be driven to work every day without needing to worry about the thing spending more time in the shop than on the road?

Absolutely and cost alot less than 70k

So I just did some quick math. And the MSRP on a z06 starts at 70k. The guy that bought one around here paid 92k when they first came out. (He is stupid rich.) But even at 70k and having 505hp, that means you pay around $138.61 per hp. So to beat that you would have to have car that went along with the following criteria.

Cost $20k and have 144hp+
Cost $25k and have 180hp+
Cost $30k and have 216hp+

I can think a couple cars that fall into those catergories. So much for the best bang for the buck.

03 cobra coupe was 390hp and cost 32k. I call that best bang for the buck :)

Absolutely and cost alot less than 70k

So I just did some quick math. And the MSRP on a z06 starts at 70k. The guy that bought one around here paid 92k when they first came out. (He is stupid rich.) But even at 70k and having 505hp, that means you pay around $138.61 per hp. So to beat that you would have to have car that went along with the following criteria.

Cost $20k and have 144hp+
Cost $25k and have 180hp+
Cost $30k and have 216hp+

I can think a couple cars that fall into those catergories. So much for the best bang for the buck.

Well, my bike should be able to run neck-and-neck with a Z06, and it only cost me $2500! But to beat the Z06 in terms of bang-for-your-buck, you'd have to find a car that has more power and/or better handling, the same features, and costs the same or less.

It's not all about horsepower numbers. If that's all that matters to you, you can always slap a supercharger on a '96 Mustang GT and get plenty of power, but the thing will look like crap, handle like crap, and break down once a week.

This is why the Corvette has always been the standard by which all other sports cars are measured. It's comparable to many cars that cost more than twice as much money.

If that's all that matters to you, you can always slap a supercharger on a '96 Mustang GT and get plenty of power, but the thing will look like crap, handle like crap, and break down once a week.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
:P:P:P:P
bolt a blower on a 96 gasp-for-air GT and it's still got less than 300hp. Mustangs are used as commuter cars, vettes aren't. The only reason repair numbers are higher is because A)kids can buy mustangs and beat the snot out of them on a daily basis B)There's more of them C)They're driven daily in most cases and have higher miles. Vettes, for the most part, are driven more sparingly by older people who don't drive as fast and if they do drive as fast, not as often.
Believe me, I've seen some junker vettes in my day that are beat to hell and in the shop MORE than once a week.

EDIT: That said, I guarantee my mustang will outcorner a C5 corvette.

Well, my bike should be able to run neck-and-neck with a Z06, and it only cost me $2500! But to beat the Z06 in terms of bang-for-your-buck, you'd have to find a car that has more power and/or better handling, the same features, and costs the same or less.

that's why I think they are saying it will be better bang for your buck. 4 wheel steering and AWD and twin turbo V6. it's not gonna be too bad. you have to remember that the slanty eyed ones love to whip around turns. in this case they have great power and great handling......or so they say.

Well, my bike should be able to run neck-and-neck with a Z06, and it only cost me $2500! But to beat the Z06 in terms of bang-for-your-buck, you'd have to find a car that has more power and/or better handling, the same features, and costs the same or less.

It's not all about horsepower numbers. If that's all that matters to you, you can always slap a supercharger on a '96 Mustang GT and get plenty of power, but the thing will look like crap, handle like crap, and break down once a week.

This is why the Corvette has always been the standard by which all other sports cars are measured. It's comparable to many cars that cost more than twice as much money.

Curves are for girls.
Bikes are for kids.
Supercharging a 96 Mustang GT is a waste of time. (not to mention the supercharger and a v8.)
(oh, and don't take my posts too seriously)

*flame suit on* :P

gibby has a point there. I think Feenix is just on a rant here. he couldn't keep his story straight on the Saleen S7 either.

that's why I think they are saying it will be better bang for your buck. 4 wheel steering and AWD and twin turbo V6. it's not gonna be too bad. you have to remember that the slanty eyed ones love to whip around turns. in this case they have great power and great handling......or so they say.

Most people that get high power out of the previous skylines (the ones with RB26DETTs) converted them to single turbos. Same as Supras(2JZGTE).

Stock twins (BPU) on a supra max out at about 400whp. The stock turbos on skylines have ceramic wheels that don't like alot higher than factory boost, and don't handle high heat well.

The car is dog-shit ugly compared to the R34s. And the Skyline GT-R is not considered a drifting car in Japan, the GT-S is. Oh, is it really necessary to refer to the Japanese as the "slanty eyed people?" Really....

Drifting is like ice skating, it's not racing nor is it a sport, I hate those queers...

wow, what an enlightened stance... drifters are queers.

and we wonder why there's strife in this world.

Yup..

Drifting is gay, and I own a s14.

A shop down the street from me has a R33 and a s15 for sale.

They both are pure sexy.

I don't really like it, but it's not bad either. I think the front could look a bit better, but other than that, lookwise it isn't bad, and performance wise it rocks.

The car is dog-shit ugly compared to the R34s. And the Skyline GT-R is not considered a drifting car in Japan, the GT-S is. Oh, is it really necessary to refer to the Japanese as the "slanty eyed people?" Really.... Yeah it is, but the only place where it looks REALLY bad is the front.

The car is dog-shit ugly compared to the R34s. And the Skyline GT-R is not considered a drifting car in Japan, the GT-S is. Oh, is it really necessary to refer to the Japanese as the "slanty eyed people?" Really....


Actually, the skyline ER34's are most commonly used in drifting.

This isn't a debate. It's just a topic that I found interesting.

if the slanty eyed comment bothered you, report it. otherwise shut the hell up.

The only thing that really bothers me about the front is the GTR emblem. I can look at that without thinking some V6 Mustang that throws that emblem all over the car thinking "screw looking like a GT, I will look like a GTR because the R stands for Racing and that means I am faster than a GT."

Actually, the skyline ER34's are most commonly used in drifting.

This isn't a debate. It's just a topic that I found interesting.

if the slanty eyed comment bothered you, report it. otherwise shut the hell up.

I am not even asain and I found it offensive.

I am not even asain and I found it offensive.

do I have to say it again?

do I have to say it again?

Why not? I love reading your incoherent jabbering with the use of poor grammar.

Why not? I love reading your incoherent jabbering with the use of poor grammar.

Good for you. The Internet has a need for more grammar Nazis. Are you done complaining now, Feurer? :rolleyes:

Good for you. The Internet has a need for more grammar Nazis. Are you done complaining now, Feurer? :rolleyes:

You should try to have little thicker skin. Don't take any of my posts that seriously.

You should try to have little thicker skin. Don't take any of my posts that seriously.

I don't take them seriously. I'm just bored.

I don't take them seriously. I'm just bored.

Good. And I am bored too. This forum needs some interesting topics. I check it often, and I don't really care to post in any other forum.

Good. And I am bored too. This forum needs some interesting topics. I check it often, and I don't really care to post in any other forum.

I hear ya. We need a good DL in here. :hmm:

I hear ya. We need a good DL in here. :hmm:

It's not all Gibby's fault the forum is dead. The tail light of the day was entertaining.

It's not all Gibby's fault the forum is dead. The tail light of the day was entertaining.

True dat.

Ladies and germs, the jap wonderbangers are butt ugly. A 350Z is a gawdawful monstrosity of degenerative retinal eye feces. Ditto for anything from Suburu. As for the Skyline, it barely passes for OK looking. And as someone else said "drifting is gay".

Ladies and germs, the jap wonderbangers are butt ugly. A 350Z is a gawdawful monstrosity of degenerative retinal eye feces. Ditto for anything from Suburu. As for the Skyline, it barely passes for OK looking. And as someone else said "drifting is gay".

Subaru isn't a japanese car company. I'm not sure if you were thinking that, I'm just throwing that out there if you were.

Subaru isn't a japanese car company. I'm not sure if you were thinking that, I'm just throwing that out there if you were.

I thought it was too. Damn GT4 is misleading.

That said, I guarantee my mustang will outcorner a C5 corvette.

PTHthththt!!!

Are you kidding me?

Go attend an autocross and let us know how it turns out.

gibby has a point there. I think Feenix is just on a rant here. he couldn't keep his story straight on the Saleen S7 either.

Don't interrupt my rants! :shakefist

PTHthththt!!!

Are you kidding me?

Go attend an autocross and let us know how it turns out.



Don't interrupt my rants! :shakefist


A Griggs Mustang will clean up on a Vette, I was just at a road race a few weeks ago at California Speedway and there was old Fox Stangs out there going just as fast as Nascar stockers, exotics, everything.

My old 86 Ford product with welded on subframe connectors, rollcage, strut tower brace, motorsport springs and koni reds set to the firmest setting resulted in a pretty good performer. I could get airborne going over speed bumps (note: that necessitated exceeding posted speed limits by significant margins - Snouter does not endorse speeding in unsafe situations) and corner pretty aggressively. We have tons of Porsches around here and I was never intimidated as far as handling although horsepower wise it was a different story. Only issues was the upper rear control arm ripped out and had to be welded because Ford uses spot welds and stamped shit. Then again similar suspension mods added to another type of car would result in similar if not better performance.

I do not understand that drifting stuff. Seems totally retarded and exactly what you don't want a car to do.

Comparing a Vette and a Mustang (stock for stock) in the handling department is like comparing a Mustang and a Civic in the straight line racing department. Sure you can make a Mustang get it around a corner, but you can make any car fast (or handle) with enough money.

That said, being that Mustangs are notorious for their bang for the buck, I could see why companies are starting now to focus more on a Mustang’s suspension. I think consumers now want a car that can corner, brake, accelerate, etc. etc. the best it can. Hell, why do you think every teenager wants an EVO? I think the bottom line is that it broadens the genre for Mustangs. With today's aftermarket no one can say, "I don't want a Mustang, because they can't handle."

...well, that's why stock mustangs are cheaper than other stock sports cars, like the Vette, Viper, NSX, etc. The stock mustang's suspension is cheaper. But like you said, any car can go fast, for the right amount of money.

Comparing a Vette and a Mustang (stock for stock) in the handling department is like comparing a Mustang and a Civic in the straight line racing department. Sure you can make a Mustang get it around a corner, but you can make any car fast (or handle) with enough money.


Hence why I said Griggs Mustang, once you fix the suspension geometry and put good tires on a Fox it will handle with pretty much anything.

That said, being that Mustangs are notorious for their bang for the buck, I could see why companies are starting now to focus more on a Mustang’s suspension. I think consumers now want a car that can corner, brake, accelerate, etc. etc. the best it can. Hell, why do you think every teenager wants an EVO? I think the bottom line is that it broadens the genre for Mustangs. With today's aftermarket no one can say, "I don't want a Mustang, because they can't handle."


Uh, ever been in a 05+ Mustang? It's a whole new ballgame, they have one of the stiffest chassis around (unlike the Fox cars), and a really good suspension design from the factory. I know a guy that has a 06 GT vert with only a strut tower brace and "decent" tires and it handles like it's on rails. I went with him on a mountain run a few months ago and by the time we got down the hill my left arm was dead from trying to keep myself in the seat under the g force that thing pulls.

Uh, ever been in a 05+ Mustang? It's a whole new ballgame, they have one of the stiffest chassis around (unlike the Fox cars), and a really good suspension design from the factory. I know a guy that has a 06 GT vert with only a strut tower brace and "decent" tires and it handles like it's on rails. I went with him on a mountain run a few months ago and by the time we got down the hill my left arm was dead from trying to keep myself in the seat under the g force that thing pulls.

Actually when they came out, I was working at Ford dealership and got a chance to test drive quite a few. So yes, I have. And yes, they are impressive compared the to older chassis. For a stock car that is a bit on the heavy side, it isn't bad at all. I couple times, I tried to break it loose, and I couldn't.

Have you ever driven an EVO9 MR? Quite possibly the funniest stock car that I have ever driven. I never liked them, until I drove one.