OK, Maniac posted that article that was locked last night again today. Where did it go?
And Why?
Can we not have a discussion about it without flaming? That says just as much about us as it does him.
We tolerate bigotry from the left and right members here but not from someone out further on the wing?
I am NOT defending his position in any way, I dont agree with it.
I am defending his right to post it.
I also think it would be interesting to ask him questions on how he came to his conclusions if he truly indeed does agree with that article.

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Hmmmm, Im thinking

I don't know. Wasn't aware that he posted again.

I had to lock down the other thread because it was getting too ugly too fast.

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Artist formerly known as Reindeer

I think its best if we dont let DA be used as a recruting tool for hate groups. These white power groups are infamous for infiltrating internet sites methodically for the sole purpose spreading propaganda and recruting agry, febal minded teenagers to their hate movemnets. They are not here to debate or enlighten but only to spread hate and organize for their cause. Not the kind of thing I would tolarote on a site I frequent. I dont see hate and protected speech anyway. I personally think that zero tolorance for that brand of ignorance is the best policy. DA will not be exploited in that fashion if I have anything to say about it.

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Winner of the "peoples Choice award" for supreme advocate for the people!

I'm not "always right", it just seems that way

Spelling is for kids! I think you got the point!

[This message has been edited by Fordman50 (edited 08-30-2001).]

Well at least we are being candid about the fact that there may be feeble minded people on here.

Ian, you called some of us bigots and racist and your speech was allowed. There should not be any speech, no matter how offensive, banned, as long as the truth is free to cambat it.

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The truth is the hellhound that gnaws at the heels of those that lie and accuse you of oppressing them!

future Emperor in need of a cabinet(except Minister of Spanking)until then you can call me Chief!

Willie and Al smoke shrub but never inhaled!

Conservatives are RACIST-the world according to IAN.

Originally posted by Cosmo:
Well at least we are being candid about the fact that there may be feeble minded people on here.

Ian, you called some of us bigots and racist and your speech was allowed. There should not be any speech, no matter how offensive, banned, as long as the truth is free to cambat it.



Really? I wasn't aware of any "agry feeble minded teenagers" here (at least untile VERY recently). As far as combating ignorance with truth is concerned, I myself will not be participating in ANY threads with this guy. I will not justify his hatered and lies with rebuttle. Sure, good will always triamph over evil, but the devil can be very tricky. These white power groups have TONS of ready made propagranda articals to choose from and can quickly tire you with gobs of bull crap.

The whole free speech thing sounds great on paper but this is a private site. I will not sit back and watch my friends get discusted and run off or leave myself, so that one new member can use our site as a platform to spread hate. Its not going to happen. Sorry.

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Winner of the "peoples Choice award" for supreme advocate for the people!

I'm not "always right", it just seems that way

Spelling is for kids! I think you got the point!

[This message has been edited by Fordman50 (edited 08-30-2001).]

But when you spread hate it is OK? I think you are giving manic more credit than he desrves. We can all ignore him, or refute his arguement. But i will say this, when you ban him or anybody, you prove his point.

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The truth is the hellhound that gnaws at the heels of those that lie and accuse you of oppressing them!

future Emperor in need of a cabinet(except Minister of Spanking)until then you can call me Chief!

Willie and Al smoke shrub but never inhaled!

Conservatives are RACIST-the world according to IAN.

Originally posted by Cosmo:
We can all ignore him, or refute his arguement. But i will say this, when you ban him or anybody, you prove his point.


I believe that can be true, but is not always true. You have to weigh the pros & cons, & often it's best to take the quick rash of negativity over someone being shown the door vs. letting them stay & causing long-term headaches.


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"There ought to be limits to Freedom." -Shrub

[This message has been edited by CGord (edited 08-30-2001).]

Originally posted by CGord:

I believe that can be true, but is not always true. You have to weigh the pros & cons, & often it's best to take the quick rash of negativity over someone being shown the door vs. letting them stay & causing long-term headaches.



Yes. AKA, the bums rush http://discussanything.com/Ubb/biggrin.gif

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Winner of the "peoples Choice award" for supreme advocate for the people!

I'm not "always right", it just seems that way

Spelling is for kids! I think you got the point!

I guess I am being very sensative having been shown the door so many times myself.

I can remember back to the early 70's when I recently returned from a long spell in a beautiful south seas vacation spot and seeing all the demonstrators who thaotught I was a baby killer and worse(is there anything worse?) It offended me but I vowed then to honor my oath and defend their right to say it, no matter how much I disagreed. I have honored that oath to this day, except once when I belted some ******* in the mouth for blaspheming Ronald Reagan.

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The truth is the hellhound that gnaws at the heels of those that lie and accuse you of oppressing them!

future Emperor in need of a cabinet(except Minister of Spanking)until then you can call me Chief!

Willie and Al smoke shrub but never inhaled!

Conservatives are RACIST-the world according to IAN.

Tough call, but I think he should be allowed to speak. Any attempt to recruit would be obvioius and perhaps even present an opportunity to disuade potential recruits with well thought out arguments.

Originally posted by Cosmo:
I belted some ******* in the mouth for blaspheming Ronald Reagan.



Ronald Reagan is a POS who should rot in hell. Thats how I feel. What are you going to do about it Jeff? http://discussanything.com/Ubb/biggrin.gif

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Winner of the "peoples Choice award" for supreme advocate for the people!

I'm not "always right", it just seems that way

Spelling is for kids! I think you got the point!

Probably nothing. What whould you want me to do? spank you? I might be talked into that. But I think you'll get yours when you pass from this mortal coil, blasphemy is a sin.

Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat yo0u with experience.

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The truth is the hellhound that gnaws at the heels of those that lie and accuse you of oppressing them!

future Emperor in need of a cabinet(except Minister of Spanking)until then you can call me Chief!

Willie and Al smoke shrub but never inhaled!

Conservatives are RACIST-the world according to IAN.

Since we've resorted to cliques, I'm rumber your glue.....

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Winner of the "peoples Choice award" for supreme advocate for the people!

I'm not "always right", it just seems that way

Spelling is for kids! I think you got the point!

[This message has been edited by Fordman50 (edited 08-30-2001).]

Now wait just a minute, if there's any spanking to be done around here . . . http://discussanything.com/Ubb/biggrin.gif

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Go ahead and call Cosmo "Chief" and Bill is "Fearless Leader" . . . I'm HAPPILY "Minister of Spanking"!!

Famous Last Words:
Socrates - "I drank WHAT?"

i will not particaipate in any discussion if we resort to "cliques". I need to hear first hand from the moderators that we will not resort to cliques or allow someone to be "rumber". It just isn't fair. Cliques ar edangerous and spread desease. For the record I did have a clique once but had it surgically removed. I have no desire to get infected with another.

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The truth is the hellhound that gnaws at the heels of those that lie and accuse you of oppressing them!

future Emperor in need of a cabinet(except Minister of Spanking)until then you can call me Chief!

Willie and Al smoke shrub but never inhaled!

Conservatives are RACIST-the world according to IAN.

Originally posted by Cosmo:
i will not particaipate in any discussion if we resort to "cliques". I need to hear first hand from the moderators that we will not resort to cliques or allow someone to be "rumber". It just isn't fair. Cliques ar edangerous and spread desease. For the record I did have a clique once but had it surgically removed. I have no desire to get infected with another.


WOOSH. Pardon?



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Originally posted by Manu:
Originally posted by Cosmo:
i will not particaipate in any discussion if we resort to "cliques". I need to hear first hand from the moderators that we will not resort to cliques or allow someone to be "rumber". It just isn't fair. Cliques ar edangerous and spread desease. For the record I did have a clique once but had it surgically removed. I have no desire to get infected with another.


WOOSH. Pardon?



Forgive my naivete, but what does woosh mean?


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The truth is the hellhound that gnaws at the heels of those that lie and accuse you of oppressing them!

future Emperor in need of a cabinet(except Minister of Spanking)until then you can call me Chief!

Willie and Al smoke shrub but never inhaled!

Conservatives are RACIST-the world according to IAN.

Originally posted by Fordman50:
I think its best if we dont let DA be used as a recruting tool for hate groups. These white power groups are infamous for infiltrating internet sites methodically for the sole purpose spreading propaganda and recruting agry, febal minded teenagers to their hate movemnets. They are not here to debate or enlighten but only to spread hate and organize for their cause. Not the kind of thing I would tolarote on a site I frequent. I dont see hate and protected speech anyway. I personally think that zero tolorance for that brand of ignorance is the best policy. DA will not be exploited in that fashion if I have anything to say about it.



First off, I dont belong to any "hate group". You are just parroting back what you heard on tv. I came here to debate my point of view, not recruit teenagers. If I am wrong the debates will show that. What are you afraid of? That I might be right? Secondly, shouldnt all speech be protected? Were sliding down a slipery slope if we start banning certain points of view.

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IAN STUART

[This message has been edited by maniac88 (edited 08-30-2001).]

Originally posted by maniac88:
First off, I dont belong to any "hate group". You are just parroting back what you heard on tv. I came here to debate my point of view, not recruit teenagers. If I am wrong the debates will show that. What are you afraid of? That I might be right? Secondly, shouldnt all speech be protected? Were sliding down a slipery slope if we start banning certain points of view.



Youve adopted blatantly white supremacist symbolism in both your name and your signature is a quote about racial separatism from an extremely violent hate monger. Sure free speech should be protected but people who commit murder and violence should not. How did you find this board anyway?



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William Defoe on Bartholomew Roberts career of piracy

Originally posted by Manu:
I deleted the other post.

I believe that everything DOES need a cooling down period. I have NO PROBLEM with maniac posting what he wishes, and Bill is right, it DOES say something about us if we must resort to verbal attacks on him/his beliefs.



No theres no point in even discussing his views because they are either irrational or entirely untrue. "Did the holocaust happen?" is not a debateable issue. By even consenting to debate it you are playing into his hand. I have zero tolerance for falicies and murderers. Apparently he thinks its cool to attach himself to a legacy of torture, rape, murder, genocide (against christians, jews, blacks, whites, gypsies, conservatives, and communists, anyone who wasnt a Nazi loyalist was targeted). Anyone who considers that stuff justifiable is equally sick and demented.


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"He could not plead want of employment, nor incapacity of getting his bread in an honest way, but frankly own'd it was to get rid of the disagreeable superiority of some masters he was acquainted with and the love of novelty and change."

William Defoe on Bartholomew Roberts career of piracy

Originally posted by CodyChaos:
Youve adopted blatantly white supremacist symbolism in both your name and your signature is a quote about racial separatism from an extremely violent hate monger. Sure free speech should be protected but people who commit murder and violence should not. How did you find this board anyway?



When did I ever commit murder? When did Ian Stuart ever commit murder? I bet if I had a quote from Mumia that would be just fine with you.

My search engine. How did you find this board?

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"No longer will weaklings rule the White Man by lies and deceit, but, the warrior will make his comeback, and rule by strength, honesty and love for his race."


IAN STUART

Do any of you guys who are defending the Nazi viewpoint on here realizies that under tha Nazi state every single person on this board would have been executed? Not only for various percieved racial infractions or associating with non Aryans but for tyhe simple crime that you are willing to discuss ideas not inline with official Nazi doctrine. That was grounds for execution in the Nazi state.

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"He could not plead want of employment, nor incapacity of getting his bread in an honest way, but frankly own'd it was to get rid of the disagreeable superiority of some masters he was acquainted with and the love of novelty and change."

William Defoe on Bartholomew Roberts career of piracy

Originally posted by CodyChaos:
No theres no point in even discussing his views because they are either irrational or entirely untrue. "Did the holocaust happen?" is not a debateable issue. By even consenting to debate it you are playing into his hand. I have zero tolerance for falicies and murderers. Apparently he thinks its cool to attach himself to a legacy of torture, rape, murder, genocide (against christians, jews, blacks, whites, gypsies, conservatives, and communists, anyone who wasnt a Nazi loyalist was targeted). Anyone who considers that stuff justifiable is equally sick and demented.




Why isnt the holocaust debatable? Think about what your saying, we should never question what were told? That is one of the reasons I became so interested in revisionism, I wondered why you couldnt question the "holocaust". I wondered why it was a crime in some counties. 6,000,000 is an immpossible number. Give me proof it happened and I will listen with an open mind.

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"No longer will weaklings rule the White Man by lies and deceit, but, the warrior will make his comeback, and rule by strength, honesty and love for his race."


IAN STUART

[This message has been edited by maniac88 (edited 08-30-2001).]

Originally posted by maniac88:
When did I ever commit murder? When did Ian Stuart ever commit murder? I bet if I had a quote from Mumia that would be just fine with you.

My search engine. How did you find this board?



Nazis have committed countless murders. You obviously are adopting that legacy and since genocide is an integral part of nazism i dont think its a stretch to conclude that you support genocide and killing. I couldnt give a rats ass about Mumia as far as i can tell he (or his brother) is a murderer, besides Mumias on death row. Sure maybe Stuart didnt murder anyone but he certainly advocated it and alot of his fans have killed, beaten, and raped people over the years with his blessing. You want to adopt nazi and white supremacist symbolism and rehtoric then you better be ready to be treated like a nazi. The U.S. governmentsgot no love for Nazis either and has killed them by the millions without sheding any tears, you go around this country talking that crap and you might end up joining them.

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"He could not plead want of employment, nor incapacity of getting his bread in an honest way, but frankly own'd it was to get rid of the disagreeable superiority of some masters he was acquainted with and the love of novelty and change."

William Defoe on Bartholomew Roberts career of piracy

Originally posted by maniac88:
Why isnt the holocaust debatable? Think about what your saying, we should never question what were told? That is one of the reasons I became so interested in revisionism, I wondered why you couldnt question the "holocaust". I wondered why it was a crime in some counties. 6,000,000 is an immpossible number. Give me proof it happened and I will listen with an open mind.




Theres a vast archive of evidence at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, complete with thousands of hours of fiulm footage. Theres numerous confessions by Nazi cadre. Thousands of survivors. Millions of pages of Nazi documents listing the persons interened and executed. Adolf Hitler himself openly spoke out in favor of it. If thats not enough evidence then you're either highly ignorant, or completely irrational.


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"He could not plead want of employment, nor incapacity of getting his bread in an honest way, but frankly own'd it was to get rid of the disagreeable superiority of some masters he was acquainted with and the love of novelty and change."

William Defoe on Bartholomew Roberts career of piracy

Originally posted by CodyChaos:

Theres a vast archive of evidence at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, complete with thousands of hours of fiulm footage. Theres numerous confessions by Nazi cadre. Thousands of survivors. Millions of pages of Nazi documents listing the persons interened and executed. Adolf Hitler himself openly spoke out in favor of it. If thats not enough evidence then you're either highly ignorant, or completely irrational.





Did you know that all of that evidence is closed to the public? Isnt that odd? Think about it, the "holocaust" is a bussiness. The jews have recieved trillions in guilt money.

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"No longer will weaklings rule the White Man by lies and deceit, but, the warrior will make his comeback, and rule by strength, honesty and love for his race."


IAN STUART

Cody the thing is, I find the holocaust 100% believable, he does not. Fine. But it is a good discussion point. It may seem 'silly' to us, but I liek discussiong alien visitation and I know that seems silly to Thutmose.

The fact is, as long as the topics/stuff posted are not in a manner that is 'recruiting' or calling for violence/attacks (verbal) against someone else, then it is fine.

This stuff for pure discussion IS fine.

Maniac...I do ask however that you be careful with what you post, and how you respond, as this is a topic of great concern to the admins of this site.

Thanks

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Manu Narayan

Originally posted by Manu:
Cody the thing is, I find the holocaust 100% believable, he does not. Fine. But it is a good discussion point. It may seem 'silly' to us, but I liek discussiong alien visitation and I know that seems silly to Thutmose.

The fact is, as long as the topics/stuff posted are not in a manner that is 'recruiting' or calling for violence/attacks (verbal) against someone else, then it is fine.

This stuff for pure discussion IS fine.

Maniac...I do ask however that you be careful with what you post, and how you respond, as this is a topic of great concern to the admins of this site.

Thanks



No problem. Just want to debate like everyone else. If you have any concerns about any posts just let me know.

Cody, as I stated in the orig post, I am not defending his position or defending Nazism. Who has stated here that they support it?

Also, what they did was terrible, but so have the Russian Commies or the Red Chinese Commies, can we not discuss them either if one of their members joins this board?

I have faith in the people on this board to sort out what is fact, truth, and what is fiction and BS.

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Hmmmm, Im thinking

Originally posted by CodyChaos:
Nazis have committed countless murders. You obviously are adopting that legacy and since genocide is an integral part of nazism i dont think its a stretch to conclude that you support genocide and killing. I couldnt give a rats ass about Mumia as far as i can tell he (or his brother) is a murderer, besides Mumias on death row. Sure maybe Stuart didnt murder anyone but he certainly advocated it and alot of his fans have killed, beaten, and raped people over the years with his blessing. You want to adopt nazi and white supremacist symbolism and rehtoric then you better be ready to be treated like a nazi. The U.S. governmentsgot no love for Nazis either and has killed them by the millions without sheding any tears, you go around this country talking that crap and you might end up joining them.



So who is advocating murder now? I don't consider killing during a war as murder. Murder is not a intregal part of National Socialism either, seperation is. Futhermore, when did Skrewdriver fans ever rape anybody with Ians approval? Dont make accusations that you cant back up, I will call you on them every time. Also this is my country too, and I will adopt whatever "rhetoric" that I choose. I live in California so I know whats going on. I see third-world immigration destroying this country first hand every day.

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"No longer will weaklings rule the White Man by lies and deceit, but, the warrior will make his comeback, and rule by strength, honesty and love for his race."


IAN STUART

[This message has been edited by maniac88 (edited 08-30-2001).]

Originally posted by maniac88:

Did you know that all of that evidence is closed to the public? Isnt that odd? Think about it, the "holocaust" is a bussiness. The jews have recieved trillions in guilt money.



Its not closed to the public at all. You live in california right? Go down to the musuem of tolerance tell em you dont believe in the holocaust and they will gladly take you into the library there and show you a bunch of the stuff. In the washington museum its all on display for everyone, all the paraphenalia the original photos and they have the films playing on loops in viewing booths about every 20 feet. You just havent looked very hard.



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"He could not plead want of employment, nor incapacity of getting his bread in an honest way, but frankly own'd it was to get rid of the disagreeable superiority of some masters he was acquainted with and the love of novelty and change."

William Defoe on Bartholomew Roberts career of piracy

Originally posted by Manu:
Cody the thing is, I find the holocaust 100% believable, he does not. Fine. But it is a good discussion point. It may seem 'silly' to us, but I liek discussiong alien visitation and I know that seems silly to Thutmose.

The fact is, as long as the topics/stuff posted are not in a manner that is 'recruiting' or calling for violence/attacks (verbal) against someone else, then it is fine.

This stuff for pure discussion IS fine.

Maniac...I do ask however that you be careful with what you post, and how you respond, as this is a topic of great concern to the admins of this site.

Thanks



Manu go read the excerpt from the Turner Diaries i posted where Pierce talks about what the "separatists" are going to do to the UCLA faculty.



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"He could not plead want of employment, nor incapacity of getting his bread in an honest way, but frankly own'd it was to get rid of the disagreeable superiority of some masters he was acquainted with and the love of novelty and change."

William Defoe on Bartholomew Roberts career of piracy

Originally posted by maniac88:
So who is advocating murder now? I don't consider killing during a war as murder. Murder is not a intregal part of National Socialism either, seperation is. Futhermore, when did Skrewdriver fans ever rape anybody with Ians approval? Dont make accusations that you cant back up, I will call you on them every time. Also this is my country too, and I will adopt whatever "rhetoric" that I choose. I live in California so I know whats going on. I see third-world immigration destroying this country fist hand every day.



Murder is an integral part of Mein Kampf and Mein Kampf is the basis for Nazism. Sure you dont consider it wrong to kill Jews because Nazi Germany declared a race war against the jews. It doesnt matter, its still genocide, and any semi-objective person recognizes it as so. Ill post some Skrewdriver lyrics for everyone to read in another post here then we can talk about whether they advocate violence.


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"He could not plead want of employment, nor incapacity of getting his bread in an honest way, but frankly own'd it was to get rid of the disagreeable superiority of some masters he was acquainted with and the love of novelty and change."

William Defoe on Bartholomew Roberts career of piracy

Third-world immagrents don't ruin shit.

Who is gonna mow your lawn, or pick up your trash, or clean your house, or wash your floors, or serve you food at your local McDonalds....

you're not gonna get off your fat butt and do it... they do the jobs that most americans don't want to do.



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"The only thing i know is that i don't know"
-Socrates

and obviously he didn't know...when he drank hemlock. Thanks D Durden :)
http://216.105.37.221/images/gif006.gif

Originally posted by Scott:
Third-world immagrents don't ruin shit.

Who is gonna mow your lawn, or pick up your trash, or clean your house, or wash your floors, or serve you food at your local McDonalds....

you're not gonna get off your fat butt and do it... they do the jobs that most americans don't want to do.



Sorry but I mow my own lawn, clean my own house, the guy that picks up my trash is white, and I dont eat at McDonalds. Even if all that were true would it be worth the ghettos, gangs, crime these people produce? Also I am not fat, not that it as any relivance but i DO HAVE SOME PRIDE. http://discussanything.com/Ubb/wink.gif

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"No longer will weaklings rule the White Man by lies and deceit, but, the warrior will make his comeback, and rule by strength, honesty and love for his race."


IAN STUART

Originally posted by CodyChaos:
Murder is an integral part of Mein Kampf and Mein Kampf is the basis for Nazism. Sure you dont consider it wrong to kill Jews because Nazi Germany declared a race war against the jews. It doesnt matter, its still genocide, and any semi-objective person recognizes it as so. Ill post some Skrewdriver lyrics for everyone to read in another post here then we can talk about whether they advocate violence.




Quote Mein Kampf and show were it advocates genocide. Or Skrewdriver for that matter. Until then stop watching so much Jewish T.V.

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"No longer will weaklings rule the White Man by lies and deceit, but, the warrior will make his comeback, and rule by strength, honesty and love for his race."


IAN STUART

I agree with Powerboss, I don't recall anyone defending nazis, I also don't think this gov't killed millions of them.

Manu, if you had ever been abducted by aliens, you wouldn't be so smug about discussing them.

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The truth is the hellhound that gnaws at the heels of those that lie and accuse you of oppressing them!

future Emperor in need of a cabinet(except Minister of Spanking)until then you can call me Chief!

Willie and Al smoke shrub but never inhaled!

Conservatives are RACIST-the world according to IAN.

I deleted the other post.

I believe that everything DOES need a cooling down period. I have NO PROBLEM with maniac posting what he wishes, and Bill is right, it DOES say something about us if we must resort to verbal attacks on him/his beliefs.



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Originally posted by Cosmo:
I agree with Powerboss, I don't recall anyone defending nazis, I also don't think this gov't killed millions of them.

Manu, if you had ever been abducted by aliens, you wouldn't be so smug about discussing them.



Hey retard, over 8 million Germans alot of whom were Nazis were killed by the allies in WWII.



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"He could not plead want of employment, nor incapacity of getting his bread in an honest way, but frankly own'd it was to get rid of the disagreeable superiority of some masters he was acquainted with and the love of novelty and change."

William Defoe on Bartholomew Roberts career of piracy

Originally posted by maniac88:
Until then stop watching so much Jewish T.V.



Ill whatch as much Jewish TV as I want thank you. Stop being such a jew hating Nazi.


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"He could not plead want of employment, nor incapacity of getting his bread in an honest way, but frankly own'd it was to get rid of the disagreeable superiority of some masters he was acquainted with and the love of novelty and change."

William Defoe on Bartholomew Roberts career of piracy

Originally posted by CodyChaos:
Hey retard, over 8 million Germans alot of whom were Nazis were killed by the allies in WWII.


Yes, this is true. However, the majority of German troops were killed fighting the Soviet Union.

Originally posted by Cosmo:
I have honored that oath to this day, except once when I belted some ******* in the mouth for blaspheming Ronald Reagan.


You sure picked a shitty reason to break an oath.



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-Curt

"There ought to be limits to Freedom." -Shrub

Originally posted by Powerboss:

Also, what they did was terrible, but so have the Russian Commies or the Red Chinese Commies, can we not discuss them either if one of their members joins this board?



Sure bring a commie or a marxist on here and Ill lambast them right along side the filthy nazis.


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"He could not plead want of employment, nor incapacity of getting his bread in an honest way, but frankly own'd it was to get rid of the disagreeable superiority of some masters he was acquainted with and the love of novelty and change."

William Defoe on Bartholomew Roberts career of piracy

Originally posted by CGord:
You sure picked a shitty reason to break an oath.


You and i disagree. That's OK.



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The truth is the hellhound that gnaws at the heels of those that lie and accuse you of oppressing them!

future Emperor in need of a cabinet(except Minister of Spanking)until then you can call me Chief!

Willie and Al smoke shrub but never inhaled!

Conservatives are RACIST-the world according to IAN.

Originally posted by maniac88:
Sorry but I mow my own lawn, clean my own house, the guy that picks up my trash is white, and I dont eat at McDonalds. Even if all that were true would it be worth the ghettos, gangs, crime these people produce? Also I am not fat, not that it as any relivance but i DO HAVE SOME PRIDE. http://discussanything.com/Ubb/wink.gif



Pride in what that your are a poor white who mows his own lawn. And I highly doubt you live in a city with an all white garbage retinue.



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"He could not plead want of employment, nor incapacity of getting his bread in an honest way, but frankly own'd it was to get rid of the disagreeable superiority of some masters he was acquainted with and the love of novelty and change."

William Defoe on Bartholomew Roberts career of piracy

Originally posted by eanax:

Yes, this is true. However, the majority of German troops were killed fighting the Soviet Union.



True but im sure plenty of Nazis died from American bombs and bullets too, not to mention all the American made equipment the Russians were killing those Krauts with.


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"He could not plead want of employment, nor incapacity of getting his bread in an honest way, but frankly own'd it was to get rid of the disagreeable superiority of some masters he was acquainted with and the love of novelty and change."

William Defoe on Bartholomew Roberts career of piracy

Originally posted by CodyChaos:
True but im sure plenty of Nazis died from American bombs and bullets too, not to mention all the American made equipment the Russians were killing those Krauts with.


I agree. American troops and bombings killed plenty of Germans. I don't deny that at all. I've heard the estimates for losses on the Russian side (including civilians) was close to 20 Million!!! Now, that's a staggering number. How accurate that is, I'm not sure.

I do know that the US’s losses were fractional compared with all the other belligerents - and, no, I'm not belittling the US’s losses. The U.S. lost approximately 350,000 troops in WWII.

Originally posted by CodyChaos:
Hey retard, over 8 million Germans alot of whom were Nazis were killed by the allies in WWII.



Once again with the names. You are pretty young I'm guessing right? The original post made it sound to me like our gov't murdered millions of Nazis. It is true many were killed by ALLIES, not all by the US and not millions of NAZIS either.To be accurate, how many Germans died in WW2. How many NAZIS? How many of each were killed by the ALLIES and how many by the US? mOst all of the killing was in the war and not murder.


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Originally posted by Cosmo:

Once again with the names. You are pretty young I'm guessing right? The original post made it sound to me like our gov't murdered millions of Nazis. It is true many were killed by ALLIES, not all by the US and not millions of NAZIS either.To be accurate, how many Germans died in WW2. How many NAZIS? How many of each were killed by the ALLIES and how many by the US? mOst all of the killing was in the war and not murder.




Does the term Kraut offend you, i thought you were a Wigger??? Its what my grandpa called em, he dropped bombs all over their nazi asses. And though i regret people were killed, they rejected objectivity so they recieved the benefit of an unobjective response. War, murder, i dont care what you call it, it still invloves the use of force against human beings.


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Originally posted by CodyChaos:
Does the term Kraut offend you, i thought you were a Wigger??? Its what my grandpa called em, he dropped bombs all over their nazi asses. And though i regret people were killed, they rejected objectivity so they recieved the benefit of an unobjective response. War, murder, i dont care what you call it, it still invloves the use of force against human beings.



Yes, I would agree with that, but I wasn't disputing you factually. The Allies in total killed many, I just wanted to be sure you understand that the US did not kill MIllions of Nazis. Maybe I am splitting hairs or misunderstood what you said.



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Originally posted by Cosmo:

Yes, I would agree with that, but I wasn't disputing you factually. The Allies in total killed many, I just wanted to be sure you understand that the US did not kill MIllions of Nazis. Maybe I am splitting hairs or misunderstood what you said.



Jesus shit! Millions of Nazis were killed in WWII. The US government played a significant roll in the process. End of discussion. My point was thge USA was willing to go to war to stop nazis, racial separatism, and totalitarian government.



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Yes, and that is a good thing. I'm not argueing with you.

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Originally posted by CodyChaos:
Krauts

LOL

Originally posted by Cosmo:
Yes, and that is a good thing. I'm not argueing with you.



Cosmo, look I really dont think you are a bad person deep down, I just think you are narrow minded and reactionary, ok. I dont have anything against you personally. Now Maniac88 is a bad person, who has a lot of violent fantasies, and associates himself with certain people that are about as close to evil as you can imagine. But when you step in to bolster his stuff that just gives him more fuel and it forces me to condemn you too on principle even though I dont really have a problem with you. But look, Maniac88 is an enemy of humanity, a lowely individual who blames others for his problems and spreads hate and paranoia. I dont know why anyone would want to be associated with him or the propaganda he espouses, theres nothing new about what hes saying, its the same stuff the goof balls on Springer scream about. So all im asking is you layoff the multicultutralism stuff till hes been dealt with ok?


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William Defoe on Bartholomew Roberts career of piracy

Cody, thank you for your kind words, albeit a bit condescending. Fact is i don't think I have supported Maniac in any way, at least I hope not. I would agree with your assessment of him.

As to the Nazi thing, the way I interpreted that statement was that the US was as bad as Nazi Germany because we (the US)killed millions of them. I was trying to make the distinction that in fact we killed many many Germans, a great number of whom were not nazis, and we, the US, did not kill millions of Nazis, a fine distinction to be sure. The casualty figures for the war bear this out.

As to multi-culturalism, many people get offended when I say American culture is the best. What they apparently hear, "White American males are superior to every other race". The more liberal the audience, the more this seems to be true. Some find it impossible to believe I actually am talking about culture and culture alone so we never really discuss it, the true topic. Instead I become a xenophobic, homophobic, white supremacist separatist. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I'll give you an example of how you don't read me correctly. I don't think homosexuality is normal. But you think "Cosmo hates homos". There is no way I can prove to you that I don't hate them is there? I mean, I may really believe they are not normal but don't hate them, but if I beleve one thing, the other must follow, correct? Now haveing got this far, you are prepared to believe the worst about me when it comes to any other topic.(Nasty stereotypes creep in here I suspect) I mean if I am a conservative republican (with poor typing skills)I must also be: a homophobic,white supremecist, segregationist, racist, xenophobic, narrow minded, mean spirited, rich, (but dishonest)bigot. I don't know what I may have left out. But because I disagree with most of your views, I have to fit your mold. I know your are smart enough to reaosn this all out and that I am guilty of a lot of generalizations here, but for the purposes of discussion I think they are fairly true statements.

I'll give you some background on me. When I was younger I supported Barry Goldwater. I marched for civil rights in Alabama and Mississippi, I demonstrated in KY and Tenn. Segregation violated my sense of "fair play".
I condemned Richard Nixon because I thought he was dishonest and a little stupid, I voted for Jimmy Carter because I thought honesty and integrity are very valuable assets in an individual (he was, ironically, a horrible president)I have a black hispanic foster child who will never be a republican, (even if he survives)I did that because I thought if Icould change the life of one person I can do some good.(my wife taught me to change the world one person at a time, one deed at a time,) I also learned what culture of being dirt poor really means, and the experience has taught me first hand about different cultures.

I have also learned that with all of lifes' problems there are some difficult solutions, some simple solutions, and no solutions. It is hard to learn those lessons. If you know a gay guy or girl, you like them and call them friend, they are good people. It follows then that anyone who could say your friend is abnormal must be narrow minded or misguided. He can't possibly be correct, right? I've got news for you, I hav oe relative and a couple of friends who are homo, fine people all, proud to call them friends or relatives, but I do wish they were normal, for thier sake. That doesn't make me evil or narrow minded. And where I get some of my information is from them. But brecause you and I don't agree, I am wrong. I mean it has to follow that I am wrong, right?

The same is true of Multi-culturalism, I think it is destructive, I think evedence is on my side, but if you have a friend who is multicultural and he is a nice guy, the only conclusion you can reach is....well you get the idea.

Thanks for saying deep down I'm a nice guy. But my views aren't based on being nice, ther're based on my experience. In my experience most young liberals feel the way they do because they are smarter than everyone else,and because their politics make them "feel" better. Doesn't make you less sincere nor less right necessarily, nor does it make you wrong.But when you let emotions get in front of politics it clouds your judgement. It is one reason they don't let the victims family searve on a jury or ddecide on a sentence.

If I found out someone I liked was a closet nazi, I might talk him out of it, (I don't think you can anymore than I can talk you out of being a liberal) but,in the end, I would probably shoot the sonofabitch as a danger to humanity.

Remember, I am just as sincere in my beliefs as you are in yours. No one knows about homosexuals, whether it is a birth defect, envoronmental, hereditary or what. Science doesn't know. Your calling me retarded or whatever, even wigger, has no basis, anymore than if I called y0ou names.

Multiculturalism is bad in my opinion. I'll be happy to argue the point if you like. I think the bulk of evidence is on my side. But do yourself a favor and at least listen and don't assume I am wrong because my motives are suspect. "Even a broken clock is right twice a day."

You can defeat Maniac with logic and facts. Take a deep breath and argue it like you would argue for the Bill of Rights. As soon as you call anybody a name you lose.

Last, deep down I am a nice guy, I'm actually nice on the surface too. Look past the stereotype.

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[This message has been edited by Cosmo (edited 09-02-2001).]

Originally posted by CodyChaos:
Cosmo, look I really dont think you are a bad person deep down, I just think you are narrow minded and reactionary, ok. I dont have anything against you personally. Now Maniac88 is a bad person, who has a lot of violent fantasies, and associates himself with certain people that are about as close to evil as you can imagine. But when you step in to bolster his stuff that just gives him more fuel and it forces me to condemn you too on principle even though I dont really have a problem with you. But look, Maniac88 is an enemy of humanity, a lowely individual who blames others for his problems and spreads hate and paranoia. I dont know why anyone would want to be associated with him or the propaganda he espouses, theres nothing new about what hes saying, its the same stuff the goof balls on Springer scream about. So all im asking is you layoff the multicultutralism stuff till hes been dealt with ok?




How can you make any claims to not what kind of person I am? You dont even know me. Also the people on springer are paid actors you gullable fool. So far all you can do is name call and say that I am a liar without giving any evidence to support your claims.

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Lets discuss it instead of flaming. I enjoy a good cat fight like anyone else, but maybe we can actually have a good discussion.

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The truth is the hellhound that gnaws at the heels of those that lie and accuse you of oppressing them!

future Emperor in need of a cabinet(except Minister of Spanking)until then you can call me Chief!

Willie and Al smoke shrub but never inhaled!

Conservatives are RACIST-the world according to IAN.

Cody, Where are you?

Don't call some one Wigger, Kraut, Reactionary, Narrowminded, bigot, and whatever and then leave. I'm still here carrying on a converstion with myself, heh, heh, heh,.

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The truth is the hellhound that gnaws at the heels of those that lie and accuse you of oppressing them!

future Emperor in need of a cabinet(except Minister of Spanking)until then you can call me Chief!

Willie and Al smoke shrub but never inhaled!

Conservatives are RACIST-the world according to IAN.

I suspect that Cody got discusted by the whole Maniac88 and asuperfly thing as did I and he chose to take a break. So did Maniac88 but I dont miss him. Good riddens to white trash!

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A little empathy goes a long way

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But for creatures of lesser intelligence, the word EMPATHY can be a hard word to roll off the lips.

You know, I think it's really funny to hear liberals talk out of both sides of their face . . . on side screams empathy and sensitivity (as long as you're one of the "chosen"), and, out of the other, intolerance and insults for the "others".

And you wonder why conservatives are cynical of you.

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Originally posted by D Durden:
You know, I think it's really funny to hear liberals talk out of both sides of their face . . . on side screams empathy and sensitivity (as long as you're one of the "chosen"), and, out of the other, intolerance and insults for the "others".

And you wonder why conservatives are cynical of you.



Dave, you are so far gone if you think you are making a valid arguement. I am no more "tolerant" of Black Panthers/Nation of islam than I am of the KKK/Skin Head movement. Both are wrong. Dave this is clearly one of the STUPIDEST thing you have EVER said. A very unthought out statement Dave. You will win no point in heaven defending Nazis either. An example of talking out of two sides of your face would be say in one thread how bad the Nazis and racism are, then defending the nazis in other threads. You even went so far as to say "what makes Maniac88 so dangerous is that he mixes in some truth....". Dude if you dont see how stupid that sounds to the rest of us then you ARE a lost cause. I have pretty mush written you off as such anyway.

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Winner of the "peoples Choice award" for supreme advocate of the people!

I'm not "always right", it just seems that way

Spelling is for kids! I think you got the point!

A little empathy goes a long way

http://www.bushorchimp.com/images/pic36.jpg
But for creatures of lesser intelligence, the word EMPATHY can be a hard word to roll off the lips.

Ian, yank your panties out of your crack and sit back down.

I NEVER defended any Nazis or crap like that. Chill with the liberal "evil buzz words". It's not shocking anyone. Equating me with Nazis (falsely) does not help your argument.

I DID say that Maniac mixes truth with idealogy. He says that different races have problems living together. Duh! This IS true. Hell, SIMILAR races have trouble living together. But, when you mix a little fact like that in with idealogy, it lends credibility . . . whether deserved or not. Surely even you can see this tactic.

I also defend his right to speak his mind her in a civil fashion . . . which, even his detractors must admit, he DOES. I don't buy into what he's saying, but he presents himself in a mature manner that is not disruptive. Sorry, but I don't have a problem with him posting. His POSTS, on the other hand, require directed response to which almost all of us have done. I would much rather expose his point of view to sunlight than let it grow in the dark.

If you want to "write me off", hey, that's YOUR decision. If you have a problem with someone challenging your beliefs and you don't have enough fortitude to stand up for the beliefs, fine. Avoid the challenge and "rise above" me. It seems as though your imagined moral high ground is your great refuge from the truth. Enjoy your stay.

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Originally posted by D Durden:
Ian, yank your panties out of your crack and sit back down.

I NEVER defended any Nazis or crap like that. Chill with the liberal "evil buzz words". It's not shocking anyone. Equating me with Nazis (falsely) does not help your argument.

I DID say that Maniac mixes truth with idealogy. He says that different races have problems living together. Duh! This IS true. Hell, SIMILAR races have trouble living together. But, when you mix a little fact like that in with idealogy, it lends credibility . . . whether deserved or not. Surely even you can see this tactic.

I also defend his right to speak his mind her in a civil fashion . . . which, even his detractors must admit, he DOES. I don't buy into what he's saying, but he presents himself in a mature manner that is not disruptive. Sorry, but I don't have a problem with him posting. His POSTS, on the other hand, require directed response to which almost all of us have done. I would much rather expose his point of view to sunlight than let it grow in the dark.

If you want to "write me off", hey, that's YOUR decision. If you have a problem with someone challenging your beliefs and you don't have enough fortitude to stand up for the beliefs, fine. Avoid the challenge and "rise above" me. It seems as though your imagined moral high ground is your great refuge from the truth. Enjoy your stay.



Zieg Heil

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Winner of the "peoples Choice award" for supreme advocate of the people!

I'm not "always right", it just seems that way

Spelling is for kids! I think you got the point!

A little empathy goes a long way

http://www.bushorchimp.com/images/pic36.jpg
But for creatures of lesser intelligence, the word EMPATHY can be a hard word to roll off the lips.

Originally posted by Fordman50:
Zieg Heil


Ian - Dave called you out on the mat, smacked you around, and this is your witty response? ROTFL... SO TYPICAL...

Keep up your Nazi references and I'll continue to remind you that Nazi stood for National SOCIALIST Party. Socialism, that's what the DEMOCRATS want to achieve in America, right? Right...

Mein People . . . uhnt how I love zem . . .

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Socrates - "I drank WHAT?"

Originally posted by Fordman50:
I suspect that Cody got discusted by the whole Maniac88 and asuperfly thing as did I and he chose to take a break. So did Maniac88 but I dont miss him. Good riddens to white trash!



Thanks for the kind words, but I am not white trash. That is a Hollywood stereotype and a form of reverse racism. I have said it once but I will say it again: DONT BELIEVE EVERTHING YOU SEE ON TV.

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IAN STUART