One questioner asked Clinton if her track record showed she could stand up to "evil men" around the world.

"The question is, we face a lot of dangers in the world and, in the gentleman's words, we face a lot of evil men and what in my background equips me to deal with evil and bad men," Clinton said. She paused to gaze while the audience interrupted with about 30 seconds of laughter and applause.

Meeting later with reporters, she was pressed repeatedly to explain what she meant. She insisted it was a joke.

"I thought I was funny," Clinton said. "You guys keep telling me to lighten up, be funny. I get a little funny and now I'm being psychoanalyzed."


article link (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-01-28-clinton-iowa_x.htm)

Of course she could stand up to evil men around the world. She'll fit right IN with them!

She's talking about her husband.

She is Mrs. Slickmeister.

Of course she wants all the troops withdrawn before she takes office. That way she can blame the whole bloody disaster that will befall Iraq on him. It lets her have her cake and eat it too, because she benefitted from her vote for the war, and now wants to duck it.

Of course she wants all the troops withdrawn before she takes office. That way she can blame the whole bloody disaster that will befall Iraq on him.


That's because the whole bloody disaster is his fault.

She's not fooling anyone, and she knows full well that what she claims Bush Should do with Iraq before leaving office is impossible, and she will continue to vote to fund the war while talking publicly as though she opposes it.

She has never been anti war at all until she figured out that Obama is THE anti war democratic candidate, and she has to counter attack. She really has no choice if she wants to win the white House.

This is all the result of polls, focus groups, and careful choreography down to the every word.

She herself is backpedalling like hell right now about "her part" in granting authority to go to war, and has finally joined the "we were misled" bandwagon, which I (and many others) predicted she would have to do over 6 months ago. Anyone who actually believes that she was misled must have rocks in their head.

Sadly, idiotic Americans will believe she's sincere, and when election day 08" rolls around, they will pull the lever for Hillary.

Is this the Hillary Doctrine? "Any war begun must also end during that same Presidency"

That's because the whole bloody disaster is his fault.
Kennedy and Johnson should have ended the Vietnam war before they left office too...I suppose.

Of course, that war resulted in far more deaths on both sides.

That's because the whole bloody disaster is his fault.

Not the coming disaster after the democrats force us to cut and run.

Not the coming disaster after the democrats force us to cut and run.

Yeppers.

Not the coming disaster after the democrats force us to cut and run.

"Cut and run". Why do rightwingers always have to rely on charged up little sound bites like that?

Anyway, what goes up must come down. We can't stay and fight forever. We have to "cut and run" at some point, and, when we do, the disaster will come. That was known before we went in. That's pretty close to being the definition of the word "quagmire". Putting us in there is the reason that, once we leave, it's going to be a disaster.

We wouldn't have to leave if we weren't there to begin with. The reason that we'll eventually have to leave . . . is because we're there. You guys are just looking for someone to hang the inevidible consequences of the Bush War on. SOmeone, of course, other than Bush.

Kennedy and Johnson should have ended the Vietnam war before they left office too...I suppose.


Kennedy couldn't end it before he left office, because he was too dead to do that. You must have missed that chapter of American History. He never should have escalated it, though.

Truman never should have agreed to give Vietnam over to French colonialism. Eisenhower and his crazy-ass Domino Theory never should have escalated US involvement, nor supported the brutal dictator Diem and directly opposed a democratic unifying election, nor should he have supported, encouraged, and orchestrated little coups and overthrows of the southern government.

Kennedy shouldn't have escalated our involvement to pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to insure the survival and the success of liberty by supporting dictatorships and opposing democracy.

Johnston shouldn't have continued on that failing path. (He did, at least, suspend bombing and attempt negotiations with the north before he left).

Nixon, having won on a campaign of "Peace with honor", claiming he could resolve the conflict, shouldn't have then spread the conflict into Cambodia, which directly resulted in the rise of the Kumer Rouge, and resulted in millions of deaths.

The whole thing was a disaster, and it should have been ended before it was started.

But that has nothing to do with George W. Bush's disaster in Iraq. It's his. He knows it, you know it, and that's probably why you both want to wait until someone else is in office before we pull the plug and watch the inevidable take place.

The fact that any leftist will fall in line and vote for this ugly hag just demonstrates that violating the law and lying under oath means nothing to them. Her husband did it, they supported him and still love him. She did it, they'll vote for her for President.

Hypocrites.

The fact that any leftist will fall in line and vote for this ugly hag just demonstrates that violating the law and lying under oath means nothing to them. Her husband did it, they supported him and still love him. She did it, they'll vote for her for President.

Hypocrites.

And that rat bastard will be right back in the white house and very capable of influencing decisions behind closed doors. He'll have plenty of time to blow smoke of the vaginas of pages, steal stuff, and break shit. :mad:

Of course, the current dipshit president has largely made the coming Bill and Hill uber nightmare a reality.

well clintons not president, is he/she

But his wife, who also lied under oath, possibly will be. Why do Democrats believe it's ok for Democrats to break the law?
Shouldn't the fact that she did automatically exclude her?

Both sides are equal in their hypocrisy Rush. The people get fed up with it and run like lemmings to the voting booth only to trade one hypocrisy for another. Were it not so pathetic it would be laughable.

Both sides are equal in their hypocrisy Rush. The people get fed up with it and run like lemmings to the voting booth only to trade one hypocrisy for another. Were it not so pathetic it would be laughable.


I will concede that it does take place on both sides though. Take Scooter Libby. I don't know if it's equal though. If he committed a crime he should face punishment. I think that's a widely held view among the right even though it's an entirely bogus issue to begin with.


To line up and vote for Hillary when it's a fact that she lied under oath when the left has been nonstop over charging "Bush lied" (when he didn't and wasn't under oath) is just amazing.

Hillary is an enigma. I think higher powers must be in control because she's had a sugar coated ride to the top, and it's scary that the outcome seems unstoppable, but anyone with any sense know's that this stupid yankee whore is just another wealthy elitist with the same shuck and jive that keeps the rich, rich, the poor, just as poor, and the middle class drained and tired.

She scares me. I honestly think she could pull it off.

"ugly hag"- "yankee whore" - real nice, guys, way to go. Reasoned argument and concise facts, clearly presented.
Toejam "she lied under oath" but Bush "didn't and wasn't under oath" so that's okay then.
If she lied under oath why was she not charged with perjury? If that's the worst "crime" you can find to fight her with, good luck.

What's the problem with "we were misled" ? The Congress, indeed the whole nation was misled, the UN was misled (but didn't fall for it). The Bush Administration sold the nation a bill of goods, wrapped themselves in Old Glory, appealed to people's patriotism, fed them a diet of scare stories and covered up their own incompetence.

It doesn't seem unreasonable to expect Bush to at least make some moves towards a phased withdrawal, instead more troops are sent into the meat machine with no realistic hope of having any lasting effect on the future of Iraq.

We broke it, but we can't fix it, we have to let the Sunni/Shia civil war play itself out to reach stability, but of course we won't since whoever comes out on top will then control the oil that we are currently negotiating to add to the books of Exxon and others.

Hillary is to be applauded for admitting she was fooled, it's sad that more on the other side of the aisle won't admit the same, even to themselves.

Cry me a river zip, but no amount of smearing her will make you eurowhiners like her any less. Hell, your stupid queen will probably night her or something. We all know all too well how much the left/commies/liberals and especially Europe love the clintons.

She scares me. I honestly think she could pull it off.

Yeah, I might have to give up on this country and run to Iceland or better yet to Holland so I could torture zipper and Oki with my presence.

Yeah, I might have to give up on this country and run to Iceland or better yet to Holland so I could torture zipper and Oki with my presence.

They have homosexual marriage, legalized marijuana, and regulated prostitution. Do you think you could handle it?

Hillary is to be applauded for admitting she was fooled, it's sad that more on the other side of the aisle won't admit the same, even to themselves.
Don't they idolize whores in the netherlands?

They have homosexual marriage, legalized marijuana, and regulated prostitution. Do you think you could handle it?

I've been there 4 times, so yeah I can handle it. Once you make a move like that you kind of have to trade some things. I love that country. By far the best european country I've ever traveled in.

"ugly hag"- "yankee whore" - real nice, guys, way to go
Reasoned argument and concise facts, clearly presented.


Yes and the idiotic arguments Bush=Hitler, Bush Fascist that spew out daily from the leftists is reasoned and consise right?

Toejam "she lied under oath" but Bush "didn't and wasn't under oath" so that's okay then.

I didn't say such a thing. What I said is that Hillary did make completely false statements while under oath. That is an indisputable fact.

Bush didn't lie, any intellectually honest person knows this to be true.


If she lied under oath why was she not charged with perjury?

Good question. Ask Ray
The fact that you don't know that she did speaks about your ignorance and the willingness of the media to bury the story.

If that's the worst "crime" you can find to fight her with, good luck.

There are numerous dealings Hillary has been involved with. Isn't perjery a disqualifier for running for the highest office in the land?
Why is that OK with you?


What's the problem with "we were misled" ?

Because that is a lie.

The Congress, indeed the whole nation was misled,

Nonsense. Many members of Congress including the entire previous administration were on record of stating what Bush stated long before he ever became President.

Hillary 3/7/03

There is a very easy way to prevent anyone from being put into harm's way, that is for Saddam Hussein to disarm. And I have absolutely no belief that he will. I have to say that this is something I've followed for more than a decade. If he were serious about disarming, he would have been much more forthcoming. I ended up voting for the resolution after carefully reviewing the information, intelligence that I had available, talking with people whose opinions I trusted, tried to discount the political or other factors that I didn't believe should be in any way a part of this decision. I would love to agree with you, but I can't based on my own understanding and assessment of the situation.


the UN was misled (but didn't fall for it).

Didn't they pass UN 1441? Why would they pass it if they didn't believe Saddam Hussein wasn't coming clean?

The Bush Administration sold the nation a bill of goods, wrapped themselves in Old Glory, appealed to people's patriotism, fed them a diet of scare stories and covered up their own incompetence.

No. The Bush Admin relied on the best intelligence that they had, many of it coming from the Clinton Admin and acted upon it.

It doesn't seem unreasonable to expect Bush to at least make some moves towards a phased withdrawal, instead more troops are sent into the meat machine with no realistic hope of having any lasting effect on the future of Iraq.

You don't know this. Putting 4 times the number of troops in Bagdad just may help solve some of the problems. Going after the militia's, which previously wasn't allowed may also help solve some of the problems.
Changing the rules of engagement may also help.

Speculation indeed but no different than your speculation.

We broke it, but we can't fix it, we have to let the Sunni/Shia civil war play itself out to reach stability,

Possibly. Possibly not. If the surge doesn't work than I would tend to agree with you but we must play out this to the end.

but of course we won't since whoever comes out on top will then control the oil that we are currently negotiating to add to the books of Exxon and others.

:rolleyes:

Hillary is to be applauded for admitting she was fooled,

Utter crap. She's a liar. Read the quote. She based it on her decade with her husband and speaking with trusted advisors (former Clinton admin officials). You're the one who has been fooled.

while it's sad that more on the other side of the aisle won't admit the same, even to themselves.

Given that numerous investigations have clearly ruled out that Bush lied or misled, there is nothing to admit.



They have homosexual marriage, legalized marijuana, and regulated prostitution. Do you think you could handle it?

Who would want to handle such a disgusting society?
I believe they are also famous for being the capital of kiddie porn and beastiality.

Hillary Clinton could walk into a nursery and feed Jack Daniels to premature babies through an IV drip and the left would still love her. She's untouchable, and that scares the hell out of me. A woman for president and a black running mate with a silly name, man it doesn't get any stranger than that.

Cry me a river zip, but no amount of smearing her will make you eurowhiners like her any less. Hell, your stupid queen will probably night her or something. We all know all too well how much the left/commies/liberals and especially Europe love the clintons.

Andrew, the British Queen is far from stupid, she has been involved in World affairs sinces 1953 and has a far greater knowledge of the World than a President who had only ever travelled to Mexico before his inauguration.
The Honor system would not permit an American citizen to receive a British Honour, Hillary could be made an "Honorary" Dame of the British Empire (DBE), only men can be made Knights.
Possibly people like and respect Clinton ( He and She) because they are intelligent, well read, well educated people who can pronounce "nuclear" and don't think Da Vinci is a Mob Boss.

Andrew, the British Queen is far from stupid, she has been involved in World affairs sinces 1953 and has a far greater knowledge of the World than a President who had only ever travelled to Mexico before his inauguration.

Are sure about this?

Afterall, she is a woman. And not even an american woman at that.

I am confident she'd have no trouble being accepted into an american university. :D

"The Clintons are smart"...



Ha ha ha. Thats funny. When a Chief Executive puts cigars in the vagina and then nails that 19 year old intern in the Oval Office and then attempts to cover it up by committing perjery and obstructing justice....you call that smart?

I bet Zippy also believes they are honest as well, right?