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Seriously though. I was just reading an artical about how conservative and right wing groups have all but high jacked the internet. So its NOT my imagination! Aside from the Apalachian poor and urban minories, I know a lot of Dems/liberals in places like New England, NM, Seattle, LA that are loaded (rich). So why dont they log on the the net to become internet activist and debators to the extent that the conservative do?

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What would they debate with? You've seen yourself what happens in a debate when you just make up facts. The left demonizes the right, the right will lose, the country will lose. Nothing lasts forever.

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Because they're all spending their money on fund-raisers to pay for Bill's defense or to save the rainforest or to repair a hole in the ozone layer. You know . . . no time to get on the net! LOL!

LOL!

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Is the dude in the photo operating a business on that street corner or is that his "home." http://discussanything.com/Ubb/wink.gif

In my opinion, access to the internet should be a very small fee, not the outrageous $20-40 per month it costs now.

To me access to things like roads, phone lines and other things that have been paid for by customers should not be used to monopolized or manipulated. I can understand maintanence fees, but if the costs of setting up access has been paid for, there should be no further monthly charges except for repair/maitenence.

An analogy would be if a neighborhood decides to somehow buy the public roads and then sets up tolls to charge people who pass through. That is satanic.



[This message has been edited by Snouter (edited 08-30-2001).]

Are you saying thewe companies shouldn't make a profit?

Or are you saying the gov't should run it?

Who would the town buy the roads from, don't they already own the roads?

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The truth is the hellhound that gnaws at the heels of those that lie and accuse you of oppressing them!

future Emperor in need of a cabinet(except Minister of Spanking)until then you can call me Chief!

Willie and Al smoke shrub but never inhaled!

Conservatives are RACIST-the world according to IAN.

Yeah, that's kinda' silly. So, if you have a hub that people connect to, you have to keep it up for free and eat all the op expenses. Oh, and you'll need to provide technical support too . . . and openings for NEW customers.

That's kinda' dumb.

But, if the government ran it, it would be better. We'd never have to upgrade, and I can go back to using my 300 baud modem on my Osborne. Plus, we'd never have to worry about porn again because it would take 2 hours to d/l a decent JPeg. LMAO!

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To try to clarify the road analogy.

When highways were first installed, tolls were set up to offset the cost. Of course governments are slow to remove taxes, tolls, etc., many highways still have tolls even though the highways are paid for. It becomes a unconsitituional, monopolistic profit center that violate anti-trust law since the government did not set up decent means of alternative transportation. Taxes cover maintenence of the highways, but, like I said previously, a modest fee to cover planned maintenence would make sense. But the point is, the road infrastructure is theoretically paid for. Why then must consumers continue to pay?

The town owns the residential roads here. If a neighborhood, somehow, managed to buy a few roads and then put tolls up, would that be free enterprise? No, that would be highway robbery.

Same thing with the infrastructure of the internet. Around here anyway, all the fiberoptics have been installed in the local towns. It is now a utility like electicity and phone wires in that free competition cannot truley exist since there are no reasonable alternatives.

What's all this got to do with Dems outnumbering Americans on the net?

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Conservatives are RACIST-the world according to IAN.

Originally posted by Fordman50:


So why dont they log on the the net to become internet activist and debators to the extent that the conservative do?



Because talking on the net does nothing to change the real world, and for all the opinions expressed here none of them are being heard by the politicians in power. From my experience many so called "conservatives" talk a lot of shit and bitch constantly but make very little actual effort to change anything. Conversely youll find a very wide array of "liberal," non-partisan, and libertarian/constitutionalist organizations that are very actively pursuing change.



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Originally posted by CodyChaos:
From my experience many so called "conservatives" talk a lot of shit and bitch constantly but make very little actual effort to change anything. Conversely youll find a very wide array of "liberal," non-partisan, and libertarian/constitutionalist organizations that are very actively pursuing change.



Well, respectfully, you are missing out on some experience Cody. There are many conservative organizations fighting for their beliefs and just as many conservatives in these groups.

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Originally posted by CodyChaos:
... for all the opinions expressed here none of them are being heard by the politicians in power.

Politicians will never care unless we formed a group, a voting block, or more importantly, a corporation that contributes large amounts to their campaigns. I have written to the satanic Joe Lieberman several time and never got a response from his staff. Even the drunkard Chris Dodd had the courtesy to reply and the ultra-laid back Chris Shays has also replied. They weren't going to take action, but at least they replied. http://discussanything.com/Ubb/wink.gif

Originally posted by Snouter:
Politicians will never care unless we formed a group, a voting block, or more importantly, a corporation that contributes large amounts to their campaigns. I have written to the satanic Joe Lieberman several time and never got a response from his staff. Even the drunkard Chris Dodd had the courtesy to reply and the ultra-laid back Chris Shays has also replied. They weren't going to take action, but at least they replied. http://discussanything.com/Ubb/wink.gif



Brad Sherman actually sent me a handwritten response once which was impressive, but whatever i still didnt vote for him. Other than that though all i have ever recieved has been form letters.



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I read recently that snail mail & phone calls from constituents still get top billing with politicians over e-mail.

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I am all for company profit, but only when free markets exist. When free markets do not exist, government must step in to insure the consumer is protected from monopolistic manipulation.

The problem is snouter, there are SOOO many peole involved between you me, and this website.

For me to connect to the net, post, you read it and me get your response, we go through so many different computers, backbones, etc.

That all costs money. There is maintanence, and there are 'transfer' costs.

I do agree though, the 20 bucks a month for modeom, or 40 for braodband is outrageous, BUT we pay it.

Tam for instance pays 4 a month for a t1 like line...

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Conservatives highjacking the internet was merely a response to all the Democrats highjacking the cigarette & lottery-ticket industries.

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